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撥補要扣掉 要扣掉作為禁法補償 才是真正的撥補喔對 禁法補償要扣掉扣掉那個 才是真正的撥補 加油 繼續努力謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:21:28.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:21:28.885000+08:00","text":"召委，有請曾主委。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T11:21:28.885000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:21:56.705000+08:00","text":"麻煩主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T11:21:56.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:21:56.705000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:21:56.705000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:21:57.705000+08:00","text":"masalu。","quality":0},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T11:21:57.705000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:21:58.705000+08:00","text":"masalu。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra 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Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:27:10.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:27:40.171000+08:00","text":"主委、處長，這是最高行政法院112年的判決，「劃設辦法第三條第二款將『原住民族傳統領域土地』的定義限於「公有土地」，逾越原基法第二十一條第四項授權目的及範圍……逕認其將『原住民族傳統領域土地』僅限於『公有』部分的規定為無效」。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:27:41.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:27:53.721000+08:00","text":"寫得那麼明確，我們應該想盡辦法用這個趕快去修你的管理辦法──原住民族土地劃設辦法要趕快修啊！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:27:54.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:28:04.348000+08:00","text":"而且是法律授權讓原民會自己定、自己修，不須要送到行政院。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:28:04.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:28:37.475000+08:00","text":"很遺憾，本席行文給你們，要你們趕快依最高法院的判決，發文了三次，你們的答復都一樣，說是你們召開諮詢座談會還要專家學者，但法律已經很明確了。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:28:40.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:29:04.122000+08:00","text":"曾主委，劃設辦法在發布之前，105年原民會預告的就是包含私有土地，原住民族傳統領域就是包含私有土地，但是因為當時行政院的兩個政務委員把它改掉了。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:29:08.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:29:17.257000+08:00","text":"大家看一下105年11月7號的會議紀錄，內政部的意見你有沒有看到？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:29:17.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:29:26.240000+08:00","text":"「該法授權應訂定之範疇為『原住民族土地』」，這是他們的引號，不是我畫的引號喔！","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:29:26.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:29:26.740000+08:00","text":"會議紀錄你們可以去看啊！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:29:27.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:29:47.194000+08:00","text":"裡面包括「原住民族土地」、「部落」及「其周邊一定範圍內之公有土地」，公有土地是指部落周邊一定範圍，不包含……公有土地並沒有限縮在原住民族土地跟部落裡面。","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:29:49.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:30:29.380000+08:00","text":"立法者是我，原住民族基本法第二十一條當初的立法者是我，行政院內政部的意見跟我的意見一樣，跟立法者的意見一樣，行政院法規會的意見也跟立法者一樣，那個公有土地是限縮在部落周邊一定範圍的部分，原住民族土地也就是傳統領域土地包含了私有土地。","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:30:31.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:30:33.116000+08:00","text":"原民會你自己的意見也是一樣啊！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:30:34.878000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:30:46.420000+08:00","text":"所以這個部分你們應該要趕快自行訂定，不必再開什麼說明會了，你們的報告、你們的說明都一樣，就不用答復了，現在你們就是……","quality":0.827},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T11:30:47.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:30:52.822000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告一下，剛剛講的那個就是一個個案，當然是可以做……","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:30:52.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:30:53.302000+08:00","text":"不是個案。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T11:30:53.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:30:58.064000+08:00","text":"是可以作為我們的論述基礎沒有錯，但是就是說……主委……","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T11:30:58.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:30:58.744000+08:00","text":"私有地的這個……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:30:59.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:31:02.006000+08:00","text":"固然那是個案沒有錯，但是我們看這個。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:31:13.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:31:40.237000+08:00","text":"你要看這個最高行政法院的文字，它說這個「劃設辦法第三條第二款……逾越原基法第二十一條第四項授權的目的及範圍」，這不是談個案，是在談這個法律、談這個法規啊！","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:31:41.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:31:42.758000+08:00","text":"逾越了，所以是無效啊！","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:31:44.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:31:45.294000+08:00","text":"所以不是談個案啊！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:31:48.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:31:57.907000+08:00","text":"就算是個案我們也要想盡辦法透過這個個案成為通案，要爭取原住民族的權益就是要這樣。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T11:31:57.907000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:31:59.468000+08:00","text":"會把它當作是一個……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:31:59.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:32:00.589000+08:00","text":"趕快修，這是112年的，現在已經是115年了耶！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T11:32:03.706000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:32:03.926000+08:00","text":"那個是去年的。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:32:03.926000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:32:15.771000+08:00","text":"沒有錯，是去年的，更正是「去年」，但也有一年多了，所以這個部分請原民會加油啊！","quality":0.156},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:32:15.771000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:32:27.616000+08:00","text":"另外，有關原住民族自治縣，我為什麼會提，你知道嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:32:27.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:32:56.576000+08:00","text":"我抓住蘇貞昌在當院長的時候，110年3月12號我質詢他的時候，他說「我會分流立法」，因為他不想定原住民族自治法，他不想依原住民族基本法制定原住民族自治法，他也不想依蔡英文總統說的「我會很快地把原住民族自治法送到立法院」，這個他也不想，所以他說「我會分流立法」。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:32:57.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:33:16.801000+08:00","text":"所以本席馬上就提出，既然要分流立法就先成立原住民族自治縣，我提出了地方制度法的修正，符合這幾個條件就可以成立原住民族自治縣。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:33:19.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:33:28.044000+08:00","text":"你們現在花了很多錢，在原住民族自治之後花了很多錢，就修了一條條文，要趕快去協調內政部、趕快協調相關的部會，去說服他們。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:33:37.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:33:45.783000+08:00","text":"這個部分涉及到跨部會的事情，所以這個部分要共同去努力。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:33:47.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:33:50.745000+08:00","text":"當然這個自治暫行條例也是一個問題。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:33:50.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:33:51.226000+08:00","text":"重要的是……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:33:52.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:33:54.167000+08:00","text":"因為已經按鈴很久、很多次了。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:33:55.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:34:13.784000+08:00","text":"最後是基金的部分──「原住民族綜合發展基金」一定要撥補，要用公務預算，不要再去談什麼，想想看，我是從91年度，實際上這在91年度之前就開始了。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:34:15.144000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:34:51.448000+08:00","text":"因為每一年用公務預算撥給綜合發展基金，105年決算數的淨值才會是一百十七億七千多萬元，如果有這個經費的話，如果沒有被挪用作為禁伐補償的話……我們看這個住宅法，一直沒有辦法實施，105年12月23號修正公布施行的，專供原住民承租的社會住宅，你們現在就是沒有錢！","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:34:52.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:34:52.929000+08:00","text":"沒有錢！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:34:52.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:34:53.370000+08:00","text":"沒有錢！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:34:54.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:35:02.396000+08:00","text":"如果有這個綜合發展基金的話，就可以興建原住民社會住宅，還可以收利息，對不對？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T11:35:04.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:35:11.903000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個當時說要三年內來做撥補，今年是第一年，我們一定會跟院裡面來爭取，希望三年內能夠來撥補這個綜合基金。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:35:15.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:35:20.303000+08:00","text":"主委，撥補要扣掉作為禁伐補償的……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T11:35:20.303000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:35:21.303000+08:00","text":"對、對，禁……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:35:20.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:35:21.444000+08:00","text":"才是真正的撥補。","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T11:35:21.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:35:23.345000+08:00","text":"對，禁伐補償要扣掉。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:35:23.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:35:27.507000+08:00","text":"扣掉那個，才是真正的撥補……是、是。加油！好。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:35:28.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:35:28.848000+08:00","text":"繼續努力！謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:35:29.348000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:35:31.919429+08:00","text":"Sa'icelen！","quality":0},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T11:35:32.219429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:35:34.790857+08:00","text":"Sa'icelen！","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:35:35.090857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:35:39.376571+08:00","text":"排灣族怎麼說Sa'icelen？","quality":0},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T11:35:39.676571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:35:41.676571+08:00","text":"Zangalu！","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-06-17T11:35:41.976571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:35:43.976571+08:00","text":"Zangalu！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T11:35:44.276571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:35:47.990857+08:00","text":"下一位請伍麗華委員發言質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}