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首長在幫忙行銷嘛但是不要到海峽論壇我們不要再是一個線路我剛好聽你在講說這個又是什麼論壇是你們所講的有關於統戰的平台我們又要在講統戰又太羅入很多政治邏輯等於今天只想解決問題所以"},{"start":222.469,"end":237.779,"text":"如果地方政府或者是地方的農民相關的產業有困難那希望你們能夠好好的協助不要在一些事情上成為大家的阻礙這是本席今天的提醒因為時間有限我們沒有辦法在這邊探討政治理解的問題但重點是作為中央單位"},{"start":239.98,"end":258.619,"text":"請同理你們做了很多要求做了很多規定但重點是這些要求跟規定如何來協助如何真正同理一般民眾生活之所需這是本席今天的重點那是不是接下來我會有兩個問題要請教袁明慧謝謝主委謝謝袁委員"},{"start":263.797,"end":282.289,"text":"本席這邊關心人民的相關的議題第一個部分當然也是大家最關心了馬太安重建跟原鄉的整個防災的韌性所以本席在馬太安的事件發生之後我們也有現刊也有很多的關心"},{"start":284.21,"end":299.48,"text":"就是在災害重建的這個部分本席這邊有聽到許多族人來質疑提防工程用地取得的一個程序沒有依照原住民族基本法第21條的這個辦理來協商同意那這個部分是不是本席有兩個問題要請教也請您這邊做個說明"},{"start":314.25,"end":329.978,"text":"哪一些工程會限制原住民族土地跟自然資源的運用第二部分是面對緊急災防有的時候必須要進行及時的處理但是緊急處置可以"},{"start":331.058,"end":351.246,"text":"暫時的先行但是長期的工程永久的施工用地的取得還是應該要諮商來同意所以你們是不是有一些明確的界線以避免其他的機關因為就拿防災作為一個藉口然後長期繞過了這個應該跟我們原鄉族人的一個諮商程序"},{"start":353.206,"end":357.248,"text":"對於我們要用原住民的保留地即便是公家要用也應該要尊重我們原住民這是一定的"},{"start":368.371,"end":392.257,"text":"那概念上我們都同意啦所以你們有沒有掌握目前中央的相關部位在即時這個必須要搶救或者是即時必須要施工跟長期的這個取得有沒有一些資訊或者是目前衝擊到的相關部落跟區域我所知道是水利署他也有提供所有的親社給我們那就是說有涉及到原住民的土地的我們也很"},{"start":394.314,"end":409.629,"text":"強調就是說只要是原住民的部分尤其是特別是你室友地的部分一定要經過我們的這個部落的諮商所以你目前有掌握目前可能沒有諮商的一個狀況嗎來 報告委員都有因為 確定都有齁那你現在確定都有齁"},{"start":410.009,"end":435.878,"text":"我們包括我們那個清澈的部分我們都我們像我土管處處長都跟他們水利署副署長都有建立一個那個溝通平台我們定期他們只要有用地範圍取得的部分他們通通都會跟我們把清澈提供給我們我們要去判斷就是什麼事情是及時必須處理的那什麼是長期一定要透過諮詢這個程序來完備的那我希望園民會這邊也有掌握"},{"start":437.319,"end":461.478,"text":"剛剛水利署建立一個很良好的溝通兵我們也在地方辦了很多場的說明會如果有這樣子本席還是長期會注意這個問題接下來有一個議題本席希望園民會這邊能夠更積極更主動來處理也就是有關於原住民族公務人員退休以後能夠來投入園鄉服務的制度銜接的問題這就跟原住民的平均餘命也有點關係"},{"start":462.699,"end":482.475,"text":"我們目前那個13年的原住民的這個檢疫生命表原住民的平均年齡是73.23歲那男女還是有一些有別但是許多的社會福利的資料裡面原住民族老人的標準是55歲以上為起點而不是一般的65歲所以我這邊也認為55歲到60歲之間的原住民族的公務人員其實還很具備豐富的行政經驗那公務事務的能力而且還跟部落有一些連結"},{"start":492.543,"end":495.098,"text":"如果他們能夠在比較合理的年齡退休的話"},{"start":496.854,"end":522.892,"text":"也會有穩定的退休金來支持更可以更積極的投入部落的公共事務來文化傳承也能夠啟動地方的這個創生那對於災防我想會有更有經驗所以本席請教好 各位那民運會是不是可以來主動會同全序部人事行政總處及相關的部會來評估建立援助民族退休公務員返鄉服務的機制"},{"start":524.74,"end":553.539,"text":"有這個概念嗎好 這個概念我想很好就是五十五歲到六十歲這個是還非常有婦務經驗的時候我想這個我們會跟我們人事總署這邊我們來做一個協調協商好不好謝謝主委所以就請榮銘會這邊主動積極的來做處理那本席這邊提出來這個建議也希望這樣一個建議未來對於原鄉我們能夠更有實質的一些投入那對原鄉我相信應該也可以好好的來"},{"start":554.921,"end":559.59,"text":"處理跟支持我們目前原鄉的一些實際的狀況好不好好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:35:31.823000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:35:32.927000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席廖召委。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:35:35.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:35:37.243000+08:00","text":"先請陸委會邱主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席（廖委員先翔）","start":"2026-06-17T12:35:37.243000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:35:41.677000+08:00","text":"請主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T12:35:41.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:35:41.677000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:35:41.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:35:42.297000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:35:43.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:35:50.483000+08:00","text":"從您上任，對於中國大陸，您一直提到統戰的問題，可能這就是您的中心思想。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:35:50.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:36:11.137000+08:00","text":"因為本席要為人民請命，所以想要問一下，其實今天早上本席也聽到一些質詢，我發現對於大家的中心思想，可能要花一段時間辯證，但因為要為人民請命，本席希望在有效的時間內能夠聽到陸委會的一些做法。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:36:11.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:36:14.398000+08:00","text":"簡單來講就是臺東縣饒縣長預錄影片希望替臺東的農民發聲，在海峽論壇上，因為他沒有辦法去嘛！","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:36:14.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:36:17.799000+08:00","text":"所以他希望透過這個影片為農民發聲，希望為臺東的農民拓增臺東農產品的市場。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:36:17.819000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:36:18.339000+08:00","text":"我想請問一下，這個部分有什麼錯？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T12:36:34.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:36:35.760000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:36:36.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:36:37.741000+08:00","text":"可以簡單、直接的回答嗎？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:36:37.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:36:45.383000+08:00","text":"因為我的時間很緊迫，本席後面還有一些題目要問，所以有關中心思想的東西，我們可以會後再討論。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:36:45.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:36:47.583000+08:00","text":"可不可以先告訴我們怎麼樣處理農民的這個問題？好嗎？是。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T12:36:48.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:37:09.396000+08:00","text":"因為饒縣長等人申請參加今年海峽論壇的活動，已經被內政部聯審會審查否準，所以他以錄影的方式或視訊的方式參與，有很多民眾提出檢舉。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T12:37:09.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:37:20.428000+08:00","text":"關於外界質疑饒縣長是不是違反相關的交流法令，後續就由主管機關內政部進行必要的了解，確認有沒有違反行政規定。","quality":0.74},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:37:21.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:37:21.730000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:37:22.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:37:41.104000+08:00","text":"作為一個地方首長，他為在地的民眾、為臺東縣的相關產品發聲，我想中央單位應該要同理地方首長，為了他所轄縣市民眾所需要的，為了幫民眾打開市場而發聲。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:37:41.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:37:42.865000+08:00","text":"我覺得你們應該好好處理這件事情，不應該一開始就先貼上政治標籤，然後揚言要查處。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:37:51.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:38:00.163000+08:00","text":"做為陸委會，我想你們應該要努力促進兩岸的交流、兩岸的了解，而不是透過許多方式，反而變成在阻礙一些交流。沒有。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T12:38:00.163000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:38:04.449000+08:00","text":"委員，我們只是針對海峽論壇。","quality":0.083},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:38:04.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:38:06.672000+08:00","text":"本席是很誠意的提醒，因為這件事情正好和海峽論壇有關。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T12:38:06.672000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:38:07.913000+08:00","text":"謝謝，是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:38:07.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:38:13.636000+08:00","text":"我不想一直討論這個議題，因為一整天聽下來，有人就政治邏輯討論，還有就態度討論，但是本席……","quality":0.718},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T12:38:13.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:38:14.517000+08:00","text":"這是客觀事實的認清。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T12:38:14.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:38:16.178000+08:00","text":"從馬政府開始，都認為海峽論壇是中共對臺統戰的平台。是。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:38:16.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:38:18.059000+08:00","text":"但是我覺得大部分的民眾都希望生活能夠過的很好。","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T12:38:18.059000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:38:19.059000+08:00","text":"這個我們也期待。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:38:18.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:38:19.280000+08:00","text":"所以重點是你們如何解決問題。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:38:30.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:38:37.114000+08:00","text":"如果中央沒有辦法協助農民打開市場，至少不要在地方政府試圖協助農民的時候形成一種阻礙。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:38:37.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:38:38.796000+08:00","text":"其次，如果臺東相關的農產品沒有辦法……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T12:38:38.796000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:38:50.870000+08:00","text":"委員，臺東縣政府在中國大陸推銷農產品並沒有被禁止，我們只是限制海峽論壇的部分。","quality":0.083},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:38:50.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:38:51.110000+08:00","text":"首長只是在幫忙行銷嘛！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T12:38:51.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:38:51.671000+08:00","text":"但是不要到海峽論壇。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T12:38:51.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:38:51.771000+08:00","text":"我們人民不要再次陷入……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:38:51.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:38:51.931000+08:00","text":"這又是另外一個問題。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:38:52.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:38:55.175000+08:00","text":"早上有聽你說過，這個論壇就是你們所講的有關於統戰的平台，我們不要又再講統戰，又牽扯很多政治邏輯，本席今天只想解決問題。","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:39:08.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:39:22.878000+08:00","text":"如果地方政府或者是地方的農民、相關的產業有困難，希望你們能夠好好的協助，不要在一些事情上成為大家的阻礙，這是本席今天的提醒，因為時間有限，我們沒有辦法在這邊探討政治邏輯的問題。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:39:23.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:39:36.070000+08:00","text":"做為中央單位，你們做了很多要求、做了很多規定，但重點是這些要求和規定，如何協助、如何真正同理一般民眾生活所需？","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:39:36.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:39:38.593000+08:00","text":"這是本席今天的重點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:39:39.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:39:43.478000+08:00","text":"接下來我有兩個問題要請教原民會，謝謝主委。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T12:39:44.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:39:44.619000+08:00","text":"謝謝林委員。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:39:44.619000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:39:47.208000+08:00","text":"曾主委你好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T12:39:47.208000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:39:49.797000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:39:49.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:39:53.300000+08:00","text":"本席關心原民的相關議題。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:39:53.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:40:01.565000+08:00","text":"第一個部分，當然也是大家最關心的，就是目前馬太鞍重建和原鄉的整體防災韌性。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:40:03.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:40:08.269000+08:00","text":"在馬太鞍事件發生之後，我們也有去現勘，也表示了很多方面的關心。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:40:10.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:40:25.460000+08:00","text":"但現在，就是在災後重建這個部分，本席有聽到許多族人質疑，堤防工程用地取得的程序沒有依照原住民族基本法第二十一條辦理協商同意，這個部分本席有兩個問題要請教，也請您做個說明。","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:40:25.460000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:40:32.855000+08:00","text":"原民會有沒有掌握，水利署、農業部和其他相關機關在馬太鞍地區的後續工程涉及哪一些部落的土地？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:40:32.855000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:40:40.250000+08:00","text":"哪一些族人的耕作或生活範圍受到衝擊？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:40:40.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:40:46.293000+08:00","text":"哪一些工程會限制原住民族土地和自然資源的運用？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:40:46.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:41:03.361000+08:00","text":"第二個部分是面對緊急災防，有的時候必須進行即時處理，緊急處置的部分可以暫時先行，但是長期的工程、永久的施工、用地的取得，還是應該要經過諮商同意。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:41:04.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:41:17.226000+08:00","text":"你們是不是有一些明確的界線，避免其他機關拿防災做為藉口，繞過和我們原鄉族人的諮商程序？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"謝處長亞杰","start":"2026-06-17T12:41:17.226000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:41:18.486500+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:41:18.486500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:41:19.747000+08:00","text":"是不是請主委先就這個層面做一些回應？好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T12:41:19.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:41:23.228000+08:00","text":"要用原住民的保留地，即便是公家要用，也應該要尊重原住民，這是一定的。對。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:41:34.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:41:35.671000+08:00","text":"概念上我們都同意啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:41:36.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:41:45.234000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有掌握目前中央的相關部會，在必須要搶救時，或者必須即時施工，或長期取得，有沒有做一些諮詢？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:41:45.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:41:49.495000+08:00","text":"或者是目前衝擊到的相關部落和區域？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T12:41:50.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:42:06.520000+08:00","text":"就我所知道的，水利署也有提供所有清冊給我們，涉及到原住民的土地時，我們也強調，只要是涉及原住民的部分，特別是私有地，一定要經過部落的諮商。","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:42:06.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:42:13.467000+08:00","text":"所以就你們的掌握，目前是否發生沒有諮商的狀況？都有。因為……","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:42:14.688000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:42:15.609000+08:00","text":"你現在確定都有嗎？對。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:42:15.609000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:42:16.609000+08:00","text":"你現在確定都有嘛！本席……","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝處長亞杰","start":"2026-06-17T12:42:16.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:42:33.175000+08:00","text":"那個清冊的部分，像我是土管處處長，我和水利署副組長就有建立一個溝通平台，他們只要有用地範圍取得的部分，通通都會把清冊提供給我們，我們會去判斷。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:42:33.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:42:41.858000+08:00","text":"所以本席在這邊要提醒，什麼事情是必須即時處理的，什麼是長期的，一定要透過諮詢這個程序完備，我希望原民會也要掌握，好不好？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"謝處長亞杰","start":"2026-06-17T12:42:41.858000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:42:43.319000+08:00","text":"我們有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝處長亞杰","start":"2026-06-17T12:42:43.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:42:48.643000+08:00","text":"我們有和水利署建立一個很良好的溝通平台，也在地方辦了很多場說明會。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:42:48.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:42:52.446000+08:00","text":"OK，好，希望有這樣做，本席還是會長期注意這個問題。好。","quality":0.652},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:42:52.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:43:07.478000+08:00","text":"接下來有一個議題，本席希望原民會能夠更積極、更主動處理，也就是有關原住民族公務人員退休以後，投入原鄉服務的制度銜接問題，這和原住民的平均餘命也有點關係。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:43:10.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:43:18.447000+08:00","text":"根據113年的原住民簡易生命表，原住民的平均餘命是73.23歲，男女有別。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:43:19.208000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:43:26.153000+08:00","text":"在許多社會福利制度裡面，原住民族老人的標準是以55歲以上為起點，而不是一般的65歲。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:43:26.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:43:55.202000+08:00","text":"我認為55歲到60歲之間的原住民族公務人員，其實具備豐富的行政經驗，也有處理公共事務的能力，而且和部落有一些連結，如果他們能夠在比較合理的年齡退休的話，也會有穩定的退休金支持，可以更積極投入部落的公共事務做文化傳承，也能夠啟動地方創生，對於災防，我想他們也更有經驗。","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:43:55.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:44:08.872000+08:00","text":"所以本席要請教主委，原民會是不是可以主動會同銓敘部、人事行政總處及相關部會，評估建立原住民族退休公務員返鄉服務的機制？","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:44:10.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:44:11.281000+08:00","text":"有這個概念嗎？好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T12:44:12.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:44:24.790000+08:00","text":"這個概念很好，55歲到60歲是具有豐富經驗的時候，我們會和人事總處協調、協商，好不好？","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:44:24.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:44:28.732000+08:00","text":"謝謝主委，請原民會主動積極處理。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:44:29.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:44:35.797000+08:00","text":"本席提出這個建議，也希望這樣的建議未來對於原鄉能夠有更實質的一些投入。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-17T12:44:36.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:44:45.410000+08:00","text":"對原鄉來說，我相信這樣應該也可以好好的處理和支持目前原鄉的一些實際狀況，好不好？謝謝。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T12:44:45.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:44:45.590000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T12:44:46.090000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:44:49.232857+08:00","text":"下一位請鍾委員佳濱質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T12:44:49.532857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:44:54.390000+08:00","text":"鍾委員佳濱、鍾委員佳濱，鍾委員佳濱不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T12:44:54.690000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:44:58.404286+08:00","text":"下一位請盧縣一委員發言質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}