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那泰雅課綱有沒有可能變成我們的雙軌的變成泰雅族的課綱泰雅族的課綱已經完成了現在是我們要鼓勵他們往教材來發展我們希望他往教材來做發展因為做課綱的目的就是要發展教材教材要怎麼做啦對 我們現在在跟泰雅族在積極在協議就是說怎麼讓讓他在基亞基努上去往教材來發展所以這個我們也同步在進行"},{"start":954.409,"end":966.584,"text":"那什麼時候可以進行 也就是說他們的專業 他們的經驗可以被保留下來對不對當然好 謝謝我希望這些事情能夠繼續的加油我們會努力 最後我要問的是梅先生"},{"start":969.828,"end":990.428,"text":"主委你的沒宣費其實用的很糟糕你們沒宣費不是在做一些原住民的宣傳政治的宣傳而是在配合我們的執政黨的鎮定宣傳我覺得這有違我們沒宣費所以我就不讓你回答了因為沒宣費在去年省預算的時候我也有"},{"start":991.109,"end":1004.858,"text":"也有討論過所以這次我認為你們並沒有真正的來來解決我們上次擔心園民會在用的沒宣費上面所以這次省預算部分呢我沒宣費我還是會全三謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:38:07.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:38:07.746000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:38:10.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:38:41.351000+08:00","text":"我不需要請大陸委員會邱主任委員上臺，我只是覺得身為一個中華民國的官員，可以毫無自信到這種程度，而且你們每一次在這邊發言，你們傷害的其實是臺灣的老百姓，不管是農產品的問題，不管是兩岸交流的問題，不管是直航的問題，不管是觀光客的問題，你們實質上是在傷害臺灣的老百姓。","quality":0.992},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:38:42.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:38:57.187000+08:00","text":"他不必回答了，因為他的回答，我覺得在這邊實在是有失一位政務官的風範，我們看到的好像是吵架、在菜市場賣菜的這種等級，我覺得一點都不尊敬他。","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:38:58.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:39:05.254000+08:00","text":"我倒是很想請問一下財團法人海峽交流基金會的蘇嘉全董事長。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:39:07.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:39:31.117000+08:00","text":"董事長，你曾經做過內政部部長，也做過行政院院長，您的高度肯定會比邱主任委員還高，剛剛您看到邱主任委員在這邊，好像菜市場賣菜這樣的答詢，我相信你心裡面一定也會滿難過的，因為你現在的職責，你是在為臺灣人民謀福利，對吧？","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:39:32.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:39:32.277000+08:00","text":"應該沒錯吧！是。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:39:35.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:40:02.105000+08:00","text":"既然是這樣的話，應該要想盡方法，全世界都對中國大陸這個市場，大家都給予高度的肯定，甚至於不斷有領導人都去拜訪，都希望大陸的領導人能夠給世界各國，不管是經貿也好，不管是農產品也好，不管是科技也好，都能夠合作。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:40:02.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:40:26.698000+08:00","text":"可是反觀中華民國，我們常常在講兩岸同屬一家人、一家親，甚至賴總統也好、您也好，您現在的講話、講的閩南語都是那裡的，所以其實我們講的話是最能溝通、最能夠讓彼此有感受的，為什麼要把兩岸搞成這個樣子呢？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:40:27.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:40:32.881000+08:00","text":"我相信蘇嘉全董事長應該會跟邱主委有不一樣的思考邏輯吧？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:40:33.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:40:39.243000+08:00","text":"在您的任內，簡短地說，在中國大陸這個市場，你希望未來給臺灣人民帶來什麼樣的希望？","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"蘇董事長嘉全","start":"2026-06-17T10:40:39.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:41:10.077000+08:00","text":"我覺得全世界其他國家，中國並沒有要併吞他們，但是對臺灣，中國是想併吞臺灣的，所以作為臺灣人民，還是邱主委，難免在被併吞、被恐嚇的過程，站在保衛臺灣人民的立場是要有一些態度。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"蘇董事長嘉全","start":"2026-06-17T10:41:11.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:41:19.955000+08:00","text":"當然，海基會比較屬於受陸委會委託跟大陸互相……","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:41:20.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:41:23.299000+08:00","text":"你不覺得你們兩個這樣的機構是在打架的嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:41:25.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:41:29.348000+08:00","text":"所以你也認為是……","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"蘇董事長嘉全","start":"2026-06-17T10:41:29.348000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T10:41:30.348000+08:00","text":"海基會跟海協會並沒有在打架。","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:41:30.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:41:39.734000+08:00","text":"所以你認為這樣的論述你也接受、你也同意，因為大陸想要併吞臺灣，但是事實上，您看到習近平領導人在那邊說的一番話，其實現在是在軟化的啊！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"蘇董事長嘉全","start":"2026-06-17T10:41:39.734000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T10:41:45.978000+08:00","text":"那這樣子他就不要太……","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:41:45.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:41:53.722000+08:00","text":"這是一個春風得意的市場，希望兩邊的領導人能夠有智慧、坐下來好好地談，不是這樣子的嗎？是啊！","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"蘇董事長嘉全","start":"2026-06-17T10:41:53.722000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T10:41:54.722000+08:00","text":"但是如果說……","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:41:53.883000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:41:57.385000+08:00","text":"我們看到強硬的並不是中國大陸啊！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:41:57.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:41:58.425000+08:00","text":"強硬的是我們臺灣啊！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"蘇董事長嘉全","start":"2026-06-17T10:41:58.425000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T10:41:59.425000+08:00","text":"但如果說習近平……","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:41:58.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:42:04.864000+08:00","text":"而且他講過除了不要獨立，其他是可以談的。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:42:05.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:42:28.720000+08:00","text":"曾經在馬英九時代，兩岸經貿是非常好的，兩岸人民是非常和平的，從來沒有一個人民因為這樣子而要被鋃鐺入獄，也從來沒有一個首長去參加所謂的海峽論壇會之後，就會被懲處，並把這件事情擴大到每一個人都很害怕、很擔心。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"蘇董事長嘉全","start":"2026-06-17T10:42:29.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:42:36.665000+08:00","text":"不過委員，馬英九總統的時代，中國還是在全世界打壓臺灣，中國大陸也是反派滿多的……","quality":0.686},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:42:36.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:42:46.710000+08:00","text":"不是，馬英九總統就有這個智慧，他們兩個人曾經見面討論過，不是嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:42:46.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:42:48.470000+08:00","text":"那樣的氣氛不是很好嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:42:48.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:42:55.194000+08:00","text":"為什麼要這樣惡意螺旋一直不斷地上漲，可憐的、受害的是臺灣民眾啊！","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:42:55.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:43:07.610000+08:00","text":"你去看看夜市，你去看看我們倒了多少間旅行社，你去看看我們剩多少間旅店，難道這是身為臺灣的領導人你們所想要看到的嗎？","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"蘇董事長嘉全","start":"2026-06-17T10:43:07.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:43:09.151000+08:00","text":"但是委員別忘了……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:43:09.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:43:10.392000+08:00","text":"謝謝蘇嘉全董事長。謝謝。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:43:10.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:43:22.082000+08:00","text":"我今天其實沒有想要針對這個議題，只是我剛剛坐在臺下的時候，我對您有高度的期待，希望在你的任內能夠改善這種惡意螺旋的升高，好嗎？謝謝。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:43:22.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:43:23.043000+08:00","text":"繼續我要請原民會的主委，謝謝您。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T10:43:23.043000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T10:43:29.809000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:43:29.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:44:04.428000+08:00","text":"主委，我依然回到今天審預算的主題，有幾件很重要的事情要就教你，首先是基本設施維持費，在114年審查預算的時候，我講得很清楚了，這筆預算是我跟蘇前院長爭取的，總共有6.4億，而這些是原鄉的救命錢，不是原民會要動就可以動、想扣你就可以扣，我曾經也做過提案要求，希望原民會不要擅自扣住超過5,000萬元的額度，請問目前你們的進度到哪裡了？","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T10:44:04.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:44:25.263000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，基本設施維持費從以前到現在，也不是說現在才變成這樣，它本來大概就有8%左右的經費是作為統籌應用，主要是在應付突然有一些天然災害或者是一些緊急避難，或者是要……","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:44:25.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:44:35.573000+08:00","text":"我了解，可是你們不要忘記114年我就有曾經提案，你答應過我不會再這樣子做，所以我才撤案的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:44:35.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:45:02.523000+08:00","text":"可是我們看到115年的分配金額你們少了，114年有11個原鄉公所的執行率是超過9成，現在的原鄉鄉公所執行率是蠻高的，照理說，你應該因為他的執行率高然後要繼續，他就是需要這筆錢，你們現在不是，你們現在是減少的。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:45:03.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:45:31.070000+08:00","text":"我們來看一下花蓮的萬榮鄉、花蓮的壽豐鄉、屏東的春日鄉，113年、114年的執行率都是百分之百，可是隔年的分配數是下降的，你反而讓執行率偏低的公所隔年的分配不減反增，你這樣子是在變相欺負而且不肯定這些鄉公所，你可不可以告訴我到底怎麼回事？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:45:31.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:45:37.633000+08:00","text":"是你比較喜歡的鄉公所就給多一點，執行率很高的鄉公所，你反而不給他嗎？","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:45:37.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:45:42.375000+08:00","text":"公務人員是這樣子不被肯定的嗎？不是。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T10:45:42.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:46:08.584000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，有關去年的決定，我們在去年年底的時候，大概11月6號，我們有請55個鄉鎮來進行一個研商會議，這幾個鄉鎮長超過80%也是支持要有一定的額度，類似8%這個額度放在原民會，這個也不是原民會要用，一樣是要給公所。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:46:08.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:46:14.268000+08:00","text":"我知道，到11月份的時候，你知道執行率的時間已經是接近尾聲了。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:46:15.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:46:23.234000+08:00","text":"而且我還有另外一個問題，人家百分之百執行率的，你反而不給他，你給執行率很低的，到底是怎麼回事？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:46:23.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:46:30.999000+08:00","text":"今天沒有很多時間，我在這邊要要求你，如果這件事情你們沒有辦法解決，以後還是這樣的話，該刪、該凍的，我還是會凍結，好不好？好。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:46:31.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:46:40.868000+08:00","text":"第二個要請教的問題是教育的問題，我們請一下教育處處長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:46:40.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:46:49.895000+08:00","text":"請問一下原民會主委，你可以再花一點時間，因為你有幾位新的副主委，他們的分工可以讓我們知道一下好嗎？主委。好。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T10:46:52.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:46:57.078000+08:00","text":"主要是我們的事務副主委杜張梅莊。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:46:57.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:46:57.778000+08:00","text":"事務副主委是嗎？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T10:46:58.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:46:59.519000+08:00","text":"對，他是事務副主委。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:46:59.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:47:00.159000+08:00","text":"再來呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T10:47:01.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:47:05.341000+08:00","text":"兩位政務的副主委，一個是谷縱，一個是陳義信。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:47:05.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:47:05.701000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:47:05.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:47:08.562000+08:00","text":"他們的分工是怎麼負責？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:47:08.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:47:10.623000+08:00","text":"還是所有的業務都一起？","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T10:47:11.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:47:25.087000+08:00","text":"沒有，還是有分，比如說陳義信副主委，我們知道他對運動方面會比較有專長，他就是負責教文處與經發處。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:47:25.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:47:26.627000+08:00","text":"教文跟經發？","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T10:47:26.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:47:27.968000+08:00","text":"對，教文跟經發。","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T10:47:29.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:47:43.513000+08:00","text":"谷縱就是工程方面比較內行，工程與社福，還有人事，像秘書室，其他的通通是梅莊來做協調。好。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:47:44.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:47:49.855000+08:00","text":"我現在問的是教文的部分，照理說應該是要讓副主委來回答，是嗎？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T10:47:52.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:47:54.676000+08:00","text":"教文處處長在這裡，當然陳義信副主委……好。","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:47:55.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:48:04.179000+08:00","text":"因為我還沒有在這裡質詢過他，我來質詢他一下好了，不知道他對這個業務熟悉不熟悉，我們請陳副主委。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:48:06.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:48:27.980000+08:00","text":"陳副主委，我要請問你，在3月底的時候，我的辦公室曾經討論過民族學校課程和師資規劃，還有泰雅課綱發展與實踐等等的教育議題，當時是處長來我的辦公室，但是因為你分管這個業務，我除了希望處長要熟悉了解，你應該也要了解。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:48:28.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:48:30.181000+08:00","text":"請問一下這件事您知道嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員義信","start":"2026-06-17T10:48:31.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:48:42.317000+08:00","text":"我去年9月1日開始進來，當然我是focus在運動教育，所以進來的時候，我全權就是在運動教育，至於你剛剛說的我略知，但是我還是要請示一下。","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:48:42.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:48:55.629000+08:00","text":"好，所以您的意思是說，您只focus在運動方面，所以運動方面的話，您覺得跟運動部、教育部要怎麼樣橫向聯繫？對。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員義信","start":"2026-06-17T10:48:55.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:48:59.418000+08:00","text":"我在這方面都有保持跟運動部、教育部橫向做協調……","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:49:00.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:49:02.746000+08:00","text":"你覺得你來了之後會有什麼樣新的希望？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員義信","start":"2026-06-17T10:49:03.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:49:05.070000+08:00","text":"有，我對自己很有信心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:49:05.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:49:05.810000+08:00","text":"簡單說一下嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員義信","start":"2026-06-17T10:49:06.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:49:36.058000+08:00","text":"就像這一次我們跟運動部相關聯的就是在拔尖計畫及績優計畫都互相在做溝通，尤其是這一次國內2026年，就是張博雅在這方面，以及我們總共得了123面的金牌，這個是事實的，可是我們在這底下還是要繼續發展，尤其是在體育班方面，我可能是比較……","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:49:36.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:49:41.901000+08:00","text":"你知道教育部要裁撤體育班了，只有要留下原住民的體育班，您知道嗎？","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員義信","start":"2026-06-17T10:49:41.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:49:42.362000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:49:43.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:49:46.424000+08:00","text":"你覺得這有沒有一些歧視的意味？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:49:46.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:49:54.428000+08:00","text":"好像原住民只有教育班還是體育班，還是你覺得我們可以因為這個體育班而在教育部裡面多增加經費？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員義信","start":"2026-06-17T10:49:57.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:50:06.730000+08:00","text":"委員，如果時間夠，我可以到你辦公室說明，我陳義信本身從小時候就是體育班，我覺得得與失必有……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:50:07.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:50:12.533000+08:00","text":"但你知道教育部要裁撤掉體育班……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員義信","start":"2026-06-17T10:50:12.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:50:15.594000+08:00","text":"有6年的轉型計畫，我知道，可是我呢……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-06-17T10:50:15.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:50:25.078000+08:00","text":"所以希望您不要讓社會大眾認為教育班是歧視，好像就是原住民不會念書，所以在體育班。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員義信","start":"2026-06-17T10:50:25.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