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謝謝時間到"},{"start":1145.556,"end":1153.651,"text":"是不是麻煩一下因為這個有關於校車司機喔對於小朋友的侵害我想所有的委員都非常"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:13:48.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:13:53.521000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請久違的教育部鄭英耀部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-18T10:13:53.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:13:57.903000+08:00","text":"有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-18T10:13:57.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:14:00.365000+08:00","text":"待會是不是請萬委員跟我換一下、代理一下？謝謝。","quality":0.3},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-06-18T10:14:00.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:14:09.618000+08:00","text":"委員好。好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:14:11.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:14:12.539000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:14:12.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:14:37.808000+08:00","text":"上次和您在立法院討論教育的議題是整整一個月前的5月18日，這段期間無論委員會怎麼樣安排法案的公聽會或審查，都看不到您本人，相較之下我們召委安排電競基本法的公聽會，詢答、審查運動部的李洋部長都全程參與傾聽各界的意見。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:14:37.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:14:53.021000+08:00","text":"無論法案審查的過程怎麼樣，至少大家對李洋部長的態度是給予肯定的，但是我們教育界發生了這麼多的問題，結果部長卻成了神隱部長啊！","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:14:54.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:15:05.998000+08:00","text":"臺灣一年內發生4起校內教師輕生事件，剛剛羅智強委員也說了很多，另外，有師生衝突老師濺血。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:15:07.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:15:21.108000+08:00","text":"合理的教師管教權、校事會議的存廢調整，大家都在關心，但是在禮拜一的公聽會，我們就在講校事會議、就在講幼照法，結果部長缺席了！","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:15:21.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:15:37.333000+08:00","text":"上週教文委員會安排學貸三法的詢答及審查，全體委員不分黨派都非常支持學貸利息的補助，同樣的，我們也等不到部長對這三個法案表達任何意見。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:15:37.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:15:57.196000+08:00","text":"對於教育部長神隱，教育部消極、搞不清楚狀況，整體來講，真的是非常消極，這個作為，民眾非常不滿，大家感嘆，難道真的要像韓劇這樣以暴制暴，才能夠處理校園事件嗎？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:15:57.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:16:04.159000+08:00","text":"部長，我說了這麼多，其實這張圖真的是為各界傳達聲音。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:16:05.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:16:11.982000+08:00","text":"對於你神隱這樣的說法、對於這個批評，你有什麼回應？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-06-18T10:16:11.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:16:37.342000+08:00","text":"感謝委員提醒，對我神隱的說法，事實上，我是沒有辦法接受，所有部裡的政策，我們都有充分的討論，當然我也尊重體制，因為許多體制並不是一定是要求部長，從過去來講，當然，另外……喔！","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:16:37.342000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:16:38.342000+08:00","text":"公聽會，部長不用來……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-06-18T10:16:37.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:16:39.143000+08:00","text":"另外，還有一個……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:16:39.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:16:41.943000+08:00","text":"審查法案，部長也不用來，我們沒有法律規定，是這樣嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-06-18T10:16:41.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:17:00.610000+08:00","text":"另外，還有一個，我其實不太願意對外講，我最近身體確實有一些狀況，所以很多時候我不願意在公開去做一些事，我只能講到這裡。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:17:00.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:17:25.279000+08:00","text":"先祝福部長身體一切平安健康，但是有需要，因為您是公務員，您的所有作為都是在代替全國民眾執行重要職務，所以大我小我以及這些狀況的區分，全民對您的期待，您也應該非常清楚。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:17:26.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:17:41.731000+08:00","text":"我希望在社會自有公評的情況之下，還是先祝福部長身體一切健康，但是法案的進程、所有部會都在關心的議題，真的沒有辦法耽擱，也沒有辦法無止境的等待。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:17:41.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:18:02.938000+08:00","text":"關於學貸，我們要聽到的聲音，如果部長休息，部會就可以代勞，我們需要部長做什麼？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:18:02.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:18:07.961000+08:00","text":"其實大家就是非常看重您，才會對您有期待，才會有這樣的說法。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:18:09.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:18:24.838000+08:00","text":"後面談論的議題，每一樣都需要您，您如果又說身體健康的狀況，我們大家都關心，但是我們也會擔心，重要的議題，您到底有辦法花多少時間在裡面。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-06-18T10:18:24.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:18:39.236000+08:00","text":"如果我們政策上有因此而遲滯、沒有辦法推動，當然我希望委員能夠具體說明，我們到底哪些政策沒有辦法推動，因為我沒有出現，要請委員……","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:18:39.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:18:43.017000+08:00","text":"校事會議，請問公聽會的內容你全部看了嗎？","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-06-18T10:18:43.017000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:18:44.017000+08:00","text":"關於校事會議，也感謝委員支持，因為1月以後……","quality":0.222},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-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18T10:23:29.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:23:36.470000+08:00","text":"好，7天，署長，但是有個地方你說得不對，司機的前科紀錄是沒有相關規定要查驗的，你不要全部套在一起喔！","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-06-18T10:23:36.470000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:23:37.470000+08:00","text":"委員，跟你報告一下，這裡面，剛才部長有……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:23:37.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:23:37.931000+08:00","text":"有了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:23:37.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:23:40.013000+08:00","text":"前科紀錄有相關規定要查驗了嗎？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-06-18T10:23:40.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:23:55.863000+08:00","text":"有，跟委員報告，現在有一個重點，早上部長有講，不管是學校自己的，或是委辦的，部長都已經很明白講，進用查驗和定期查驗，都要受管束，這件事情會有相關的法規去檢視。","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:23:56.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:23:58.445000+08:00","text":"不是，我問你已經有沒有了？有。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:24:00.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:24:01.662000+08:00","text":"在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-06-18T10:24:03.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:24:09.993000+08:00","text":"在今天下班前給委員，相關的資料是在剛剛你講的這個辦法，我們查給委員……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:24:09.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:24:16.863000+08:00","text":"我們已經查過了，只有車輛安全、駕駛年齡、駕照、肇事紀錄、健康，他的前科紀錄是沒有要查驗的。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-06-18T10:24:17.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:24:20.545000+08:00","text":"良民的查驗這些都會處理，委員是不是容許……","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:24:20.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:24:21.225000+08:00","text":"已經處理了嗎？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-06-18T10:24:23.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:24:46.161000+08:00","text":"對、對，剛剛有跟委員報告兩件事，今天衛福部代表也在，我剛剛也前去請教過，因為這個是密件，這個密件的調查我們尊重，但是我們不容許任何一件這樣的事情在教育界發生，因此部長剛剛已經有宣示，不管是我們的辦法或現在的行政措施，不管是學校自己辦的或是委辦的，全部都要查。好，7天。","quality":0.664},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:24:47.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:24:54.560000+08:00","text":"我再請教部長，署長也在，校車司機不是由學校聘僱，而是公車業者、遊覽車業者或外包承攬人員，這有在這個規範裡嗎？","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-06-18T10:24:58.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:25:03.591000+08:00","text":"我想確實在規範裡面有所不足，所以這個事件……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:25:04.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:25:11.754000+08:00","text":"請教育部相關法規修訂一併在期限內完成，剛剛前面那段提的7天，後面如果有漏掉的再補足，好不好？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:25:12.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:25:13.375000+08:00","text":"我希望趕快完成。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:25:14.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:25:21.119000+08:00","text":"不好意思，召委，再給我一點時間，因為今天我們關心部長的身體健康，所以剛剛花了一些額外的時間。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:25:21.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:25:33.823000+08:00","text":"今天聯合報有刊登臺北大學楊教授提出的意見，這次的案件其實有一個議題，青少年受到性侵害甚至感染性病，選擇不向外界求助。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:25:34.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:26:08.954000+08:00","text":"我們召委其實也很關心未成年感染梅毒的狀況，目前最大的通報黑數其實我們都沒有看到，楊教授有以瑞典的青少年健康諮詢中心（UMO）為例子，希望教育部研議一個青少年健康諮詢的體系，現在是如果確診，醫院需要告訴家長，這個我們理解，但對青少年來講，這很可能會是一個心理的阻礙，可不可以在兩個月內，參考國際比較好的做法，並將相關研議結果書面提供給本席？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:26:09.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:26:10.055000+08:00","text":"可以嗎？可以。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:26:10.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:26:11.335000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:26:11.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:26:34.159000+08:00","text":"另外還有一個很重要的議題，有關青年服勤動員準備，這兩天媒體熱烈討論，6月11號網路上出現學校青年服勤動員準備分類計畫，大家再次譁然，結果上網一找，文件竟然就下架了，就不見了，請問部長，這個文字到底是什麼狀況？","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:26:34.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:26:43.865000+08:00","text":"然後我們大家都去問，結果全網都找不到，如果是教育部發出的計畫書，為什麼不能在教育部的網站公告？","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:26:45.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:26:50.910000+08:00","text":"還是說部長您因為什麼因素……會不會你連這份都沒看過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:26:51.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:26:54.872000+08:00","text":"連我們索資，教育部都遲遲不給我們，到底裡面有什麼秘密？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:26:55.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:26:56.573000+08:00","text":"昨天晚上8點才提供。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-06-18T10:26:57.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:27:01.917000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個每年都是循例，因為臺灣天災、地震、颱風多，所以……","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:27:02.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:27:05.979000+08:00","text":"青年服勤動員準備分類計畫……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-06-18T10:27:05.979000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:27:06.979000+08:00","text":"這是整個包含……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:27:05.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:27:12.063000+08:00","text":"依據全民防衛動員準備法，前年有嗎？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-06-18T10:27:12.063000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:27:15.725000+08:00","text":"全民防衛動員裡面，主要都是在……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:27:15.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:27:19.507000+08:00","text":"「戰時支援軍事作戰」，發給全部的學校，有嗎？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:27:19.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:27:20.667000+08:00","text":"你看我們召委都吃驚了。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-06-18T10:27:21.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:27:23.028000+08:00","text":"這是每年都會例行……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:27:23.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:27:23.548000+08:00","text":"每年都有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-06-18T10:27:23.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:27:26.289000+08:00","text":"學校都會有一個調查。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:27:26.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:27:30.190000+08:00","text":"每年都有「戰時支援軍事作戰」？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-06-18T10:27:30.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:27:37.233000+08:00","text":"在防災等各方面的社會韌性，我們都會routine地去調查，請學校在整個……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:27:37.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:27:39.294000+08:00","text":"不是，這一份每年都會發嗎？會。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:27:40.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:27:42.649000+08:00","text":"一模一樣的內容嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"許副司長嘉倩","start":"2026-06-18T10:27:42.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:27:43.851000+08:00","text":"內容每年會檢討修正。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:27:44.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:27:48.237000+08:00","text":"每年都是「戰時支援軍事作戰」嗎？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:27:48.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:27:51.561000+08:00","text":"部長，你們不要玩文字遊戲喔！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-06-18T10:27:51.561000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:27:52.561000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:27:52.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:28:02.470000+08:00","text":"上一次教育部發放青年服勤同意書，全社會韌性還沒來，大家都嚇壞了，這是娃娃兵啊？","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:28:03.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:28:04.070000+08:00","text":"青年要去打仗啊？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:28:04.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:28:19.515000+08:00","text":"我們不想去講什麼票投民進黨、青年上戰場啦，之前還講求所謂的正義，要發一個同意書，國防部顧立雄部長也說同意書沒有意義，你們也停用了，現在同意書不發了，直接全體都要服勤，是不是？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:28:20.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:28:22.956000+08:00","text":"你們寫「戰時支援軍事作戰」，不用同意啊。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"許副司長嘉倩","start":"2026-06-18T10:28:24.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:28:37.074000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實我們這個計畫是依照全動法還有災害防救法等相關法規所訂定的，這是在鼓勵青年學生支援相關的避難引導或是社區關懷和行政服務等等……","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:28:37.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:28:39.317000+08:00","text":"不好意思，你讀一下這個字好不好？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:28:39.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:28:47.418000+08:00","text":"我最下面框起來的那個，你剛剛講的好像是包紮、學習，可不可以請您唸一下最後那個框起來的字？","quality":0.45},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:28:47.418000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:28:48.119000+08:00","text":"可不可以請你唸一下？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"許副司長嘉倩","start":"2026-06-18T10:28:50.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:28:55.425000+08:00","text":"對，最後一個是「戰時支援軍事作戰」……對嘛！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"許副司長嘉倩","start":"2026-06-18T10:28:56.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:29:00.409000+08:00","text":"這個是全動法的規定，但是在我們的計畫裡面……","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:29:00.409000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:29:01.409000+08:00","text":"作戰什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:29:00.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:29:01.450000+08:00","text":"雙手上戰場，不用拿手槍啊？","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"許副司長嘉倩","start":"2026-06-18T10:29:01.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:29:11.694000+08:00","text":"我們計畫裡面有寫到說不支援軍事還有警察的相關職務，我們在計畫裡面有明確寫。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:29:12.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:29:15.595000+08:00","text":"請問全民防衛動員準備法裡面有嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:29:15.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:29:20.857000+08:00","text":"你依據那個法寫的，你又說這個部分不用，那個法就說要支援軍事作戰……","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"許副司長嘉倩","start":"2026-06-18T10:29:20.857000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:29:21.857000+08:00","text":"因為那個……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:29:20.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:29:31.240000+08:00","text":"沒有關係、沒有關係，我們講解決方法，學生排除在戰時支援軍事作戰的對象之外，可不可以請國防部提出修法把學生排除？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:29:32.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:29:36.205000+08:00","text":"既然你們裡面都說不要了嘛，讓法令來配合嘛！","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:29:36.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:29:38.687000+08:00","text":"不然你說不要，這不是違法嗎？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"許副司長嘉倩","start":"2026-06-18T10:29:38.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:29:55.083000+08:00","text":"不是，跟委員報告，我們只是下面的一個青年服勤計畫，上面還有內政部的人力動員計畫，所以戰時支援軍事作戰是針對其他的人力，並不是針對我們的青年學生，我們的青年學生是排除上軍事戰場這些的。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:29:55.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:29:59.007000+08:00","text":"和平是一切，沒有和平就沒有一切。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:29:59.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:30:10.641000+08:00","text":"所以我們還是希望部長要承諾相關法令要配合，要把學生排除在戰時支援軍事作戰的對象之外，不要再搞這些小動作，可以嗎？部長。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-06-18T10:30:10.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:30:23.432000+08:00","text":"沒有搞小動作啦，真正戰時的時候，因為高中生相對成熟，我們希望他對社區，如老人扶弱、包紮等等的急難救助，他並沒有直接上戰場，我想這是非常清楚的……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:30:23.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:30:25.413000+08:00","text":"沒關係，全民防衛動員準備法沒有排除學生，學生的議題就是部長的議題……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-06-18T10:30:32.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:30:42.865000+08:00","text":"高中以上本來就相對成熟，他可以做簡單地包紮，可以協助疏散、協助老人、社區民眾等等……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:30:44.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:30:47.408000+08:00","text":"學生到底是不是在戰時支援軍事作戰的對象之外？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-06-18T10:30:47.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:30:52.172000+08:00","text":"他沒有上戰場嘛，不要一直用上戰場去混淆視聽嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:30:52.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:30:55.034000+08:00","text":"好啦，我們回去看這個細節啦。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:30:55.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:31:12.917000+08:00","text":"最後，AI人才方舟計畫，你們總算交資料過來了，謝謝，這個不是國防的方舟，先給您肯定，但五年總經費117億，每年平均預算不到30億，資源最少的智慧教育師培聯盟計畫一年5,000萬，我們一起來努力……","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-18T10:31:12.917000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:31:13.917000+08:00","text":"委員，時間到了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:31:13.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:31:39.457000+08:00","text":"之後我們會提供相關的例子，愛沙尼亞、哈薩克、約旦、新加坡、阿聯、泰國怎麼來做AI的公私協力，我們一起承諾來往這個目標前進，但是資源太少，教育教師培育計畫一年只有五千多萬，我給你一個錦囊，希望您去找院長溝通的時候跟他說，30億是什麼概念？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:31:40.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:31:52.220000+08:00","text":"證交稅我們今年開徵千分之三，一天的股市交易就35億，5,000萬是多少？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:31:52.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:32:03.004000+08:00","text":"半小時的證交稅就有了，半小時的證交稅，只用這5,000萬去做一整年的智慧教育教師培育，完全不夠。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:32:04.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:32:06.785000+08:00","text":"你就跟院長說，1小時的證交稅額就可以，好不好？","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:32:07.605000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:32:12.791000+08:00","text":"讓我們用一年，這樣就是兩倍了，2小時就是2億了，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-18T10:32:12.791000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:32:13.791000+08:00","text":"委員，時間到。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:32:13.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:32:26.905000+08:00","text":"所以部長，我們要一起來爭取，該做的我們把它做好，也再次敬祝您身體健康，全臺灣、全世界的老師、學生也都要平安、健康，好嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-18T10:32:26.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:32:27.345000+08:00","text":"我們一起努力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-06-18T10:32:28.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:32:28.907000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-18T10:32:30.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:32:30.068000+08:00","text":"謝謝，時間到。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-18T10:32:31.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:32:32.678000+08:00","text":"是不是麻煩一下？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-18T10:32:32.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18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