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府評估之外，我們也希望鐵道局可以一起來思考，因為這個是整體的問題，如果地方跟中央的觀念沒有先溝通好，有時候只是一方在做，恐怕不見得會相當的match，所以也希望鐵道局多跟市政府溝通、輔導，看怎麼做最好。是。","quality":0.866},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-18T10:12:05.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:12:27.278000+08:00","text":"另外就是鳳山的鐵路地下化跟高鐵再延伸從高雄車站到屏東車站，中間那一個，就是未來的高鐵跟臺鐵車站有共構的可能，這個部分，鐵道局現在規劃的狀況如何？","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-06-18T10:12:31.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:12:51.884000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，現在是高雄市政府也在同步進行這個路段鐵路地下化的可行性研究評估當中，我們現在正在進行高鐵的綜合規劃，我們雙方有開過工作會議，就這個可能的結構形式跟未來的規劃做進一步的討論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-18T10:12:51.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:12:55.005000+08:00","text":"我想可能也要次長跟交通部多支持。好。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-18T10:12:57.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:13:17.394000+08:00","text":"現在臺鐵地下化，本來在經武路就上來了，其實本來10年前那個時候可能就封死了，但是我10年前就要求那個地方要保留未來可以出來的可能。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"伍次長勝園","start":"2026-06-18T10:13:18.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:13:18.474000+08:00","text":"預留機制。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-18T10:13:19.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:13:33.126000+08:00","text":"對，所以10年前他就預留一個轉接頭，所以今天得以延伸，也是我們10年前的要求，才有辦法達成今天想要的目標。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-18T10:13:33.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:14:02.884000+08:00","text":"同樣的道理，我們的高鐵站跟鳳山站，本來我是希望能夠在同一個地方共構，當然以前設計的月臺也不符合，然後又要鑽過捷運黃線的地下，上來要40公尺，然後又會拆到大樓，有諸多的考量，所以鳳山車站沒有上來，其實我心裡是很痛的。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-18T10:14:05.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:14:26.850000+08:00","text":"雖然就很務實的工程觀點沒有辦法達到，但是我們要想說以後有這個機會跟可能再往東延伸，所以是不是在做臺鐵地下化的時候、跟高鐵要往屏東方向的時候，可以有一個共構的機會？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-18T10:14:26.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:14:29.972000+08:00","text":"這個部分交通部支持嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍次長勝園","start":"2026-06-18T10:14:30.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:14:38.899000+08:00","text":"後面鐵道局會就這部分再持續評估，有它的需求性，交通部一定會全力來支持。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-18T10:14:39.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:15:15.712000+08:00","text":"未來大寮到林園的捷運我們應該也會做，所以整個路網，其實我一直看到臺北、新北的捷運路網，我就覺得高雄一樣要想很遠，當然交通部跟鐵道局都很幫忙，現在岡山路竹延伸線也在做，然後小港林園延伸線也在做，未來如果有接到臺南跟屏東的機會，我們當然也會儘量去做那樣的努力。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-18T10:15:17.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:16:10.349000+08:00","text":"到林園的時候，林園要接到大寮，未來也是個可行的方案，坦白說，以前一定是先重視舊高雄市，舊高雄縣的建設需要比較遠，當然也比較沒有像現在高雄市那麼熱絡，但是未來城市的進步一定會慢慢的擴張，所以縣市合併之後，從高雄市本來的人口密集，到目前原高雄縣人口增加最多的是仁武跟鳳山，坦白說，鳳山的西區現在已經飽和了，所以就往鳳山的東區在發展，將來鳳山東區發展再飽和，會再往大寮去發展，所以這個眼光我們必須要去考慮到。","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-18T10:16:11.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:16:22.732000+08:00","text":"所以未來高鐵跟臺鐵的共構，保留未來的機會，我是希望鐵道局把它規劃進來，交通部也能夠支持，這樣OK嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍次長勝園","start":"2026-06-18T10:16:22.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:16:25.633000+08:00","text":"好，我們也請鐵道局持續來評估。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-18T10:16:28.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:16:31.755000+08:00","text":"好，有很多的建設，今天講不完，包括捷運紫線，我先講一下。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-18T10:16:34.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:16:54.115000+08:00","text":"關於捷運紫線，目前高雄市政府的規劃是到樹德科大，但其實我也曾經要求過，佛光山是世界的宗教聖地，今天只要國外人士到高雄來，很多人都希望能夠到佛教聖地去走一趟。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-18T10:16:55.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:17:37.170000+08:00","text":"現在捷運紫線到樹德科大，我也跟高雄市政府要求，捷運局那邊我也保持聯繫，我說你今天只到樹德科大，沒有到佛光山，其實我們都覺得很可惜，現在可能礙於經費的問題也好，或者是人口數也好，現在不到，但是我們要保留到佛光山甚至到東高雄的機會，也許不見得是做捷運，也許是做輕軌，但是這個路線不能現在決定之後就把它斷掉，而是要保留未來再發展、再延長、再銜接的可能。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-18T10:17:37.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:17:45.180000+08:00","text":"所以鐵道局跟交通部對於紫線未來有機會可以接到佛光山，有沒有什麼想法？","quality":0.656},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-06-18T10:17:47.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:17:58.523000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個案子現在是鐵道局在審查當中，剛剛委員所提示的保留未來的延伸機制，我們可以在這個審查過程中跟高雄市政府來做討論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-18T10:17:59.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:18:54.213000+08:00","text":"我是覺得要拜託鐵道局，因為你們比較專業，對於這個延伸，因為現在市府在規劃，一定是以現行的財源跟現行的狀況去做可行性評估，但是我們要想到10年後、20年後的狀況，像我剛剛舉的例子，鐵路地下化、經武陸橋，那個就是10年前的思考然後今天完成；高鐵、臺鐵在鳳山、大寮邊界共構，那個是未來有機會；包括捷運紫線有機會到佛光山，所以我希望鐵道局可以根據你們的專業跟市府討論，就是你們不能把這個點未來延伸的希望斷掉，一定要保留未來延伸的機會，這樣子將來發展到那個程度的時候，才有機會再把它蓋上去，這樣好嗎？好。","quality":0.876},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-18T10:18:55.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:19:05.907000+08:00","text":"那就拜託交通部跟鐵道局多協助這個部分，跟我們市政府一起努力，我會再繼續要求，這個將來我們有機會可以完成。是。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-18T10:19:06.407000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:19:07.407000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"伍次長勝園","start":"2026-06-18T10:19:07.707000+08:00","guessed":true,"e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