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僅約14.3%除了雙北跟基隆之外 很多縣市的公共運輸建設市佔率低於10%運輸部門每年排放高達3629萬噸的攤牌 其中公路運輸佔96%"},{"start":299.911,"end":328.374,"text":"那這代表高額的軌道基金跟綠色運輸的預算砸下去可是目前因為工程的延檔像是多項鐵路地下化的標案剛剛魯明哲委員也有提到嘛目前都還沒有發包那也導致民眾沒有辦法享受就是公共運輸帶來的便利那目前也是高度仰賴失人的運具那減碳的效果完全沒有辦法呈現出來那局長鐵道局有訂定了鐵道工程減碳的作業指引那目前我們看到工程流標然後還有修改計畫工程延檔嘛"},{"start":329.054,"end":345.411,"text":"那也在原地反覆的開挖那造成了巨大的碳排那鐵道局你們有沒有將實際實際這個在運輸的預算然後還有他就是在轉式的運去他產生的碳量然後納入評測的納入決策的評估呢"},{"start":346.972,"end":372.499,"text":"有 各位報告這一個碳盤查這個我們是有做相關的這些工作那未來的這一些我們的鐵道工程裡面我們都會設定減碳的基準其實最主要是材料也就是我們所選擇的材料那它的這個碳排量的一個改變的話就能夠降低我們的這個施工之間造成的碳排"},{"start":373.158,"end":399.72,"text":"就了解到你們都會不定期的去做評估嗎那也再加上評估評估這個報告提供一份給本席那明澤剛剛委員也有提到說像是鳳鳴站還有內地站那先前這邊也請教過局長包括桃園醫院站目前都還沒有發包那這個您剛剛有提到在半年內你們會再去做如果半年內不能夠繼續做的話恐怕會對目標會有一點影響"},{"start":400.14,"end":427.258,"text":"那我們是希望半年內啦因為這個工程已經高達數十年之久了那另外盧委員也提到這個臨時軌道的切換那造成造成地方的不便那這邊也要特別提醒還有評測車站那平鎮地區也是人口密度非常高那也希望鐵道局這邊和地方也保持暢通的溝通有我們跟桃園市政府有非常密切的合作跟溝通OK好以上謝謝局長謝謝委員謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-18T10:29:29+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:29:30+08:00","text":"好，謝謝主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-18T10:29:30+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:29:31+08:00","text":"請主席邀請鐵道局楊局長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-18T10:29:29.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:29:29.549000+08:00","text":"好，請楊局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-06-18T10:29:29.549000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:29:41.436000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-18T10:29:41.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:29:56.940000+08:00","text":"局長好，同樣是桃園鐵路地下化的問題，這是我們地方期盼已久的重大工程，當然在這工程推動的同時，沿線居民也受到影響，尤其是噪音及震動，尤其是噪音還有震動，也要同步來處理並且重視。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-18T10:29:56.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:30:21.132000+08:00","text":"在我的選區桃園八德，局長您可以看到高城市區緊鄰鐵道，而且是在縱貫鐵路上，尤其是高城二街10巷、22巷及34巷，這幾排住宅就在鐵道的第一排，居民長期受到影響，其中有平交道的警示音，還有列車行駛的噪音、軌道的震動。","quality":0.888},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-18T10:30:21.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:30:34.622000+08:00","text":"現在因為桃園鐵路地下化工程，鐵道局設置了臨時軌道，局長，你也清楚嘛，臨時軌道的位置比原本軌道的位置更鄰近住宅。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-18T10:30:35.763000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:30:41.167000+08:00","text":"居民也向我陳情，反映列車經過時的噪音還有震動比過去更加明顯。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-18T10:30:41.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:30:43.709000+08:00","text":"局長，您知道這個問題嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-06-18T10:30:43.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:30:47.473000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們北工分局已經有接到相關的反映。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-18T10:30:48.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:30:49.074000+08:00","text":"你們也有接到陳情？是。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-18T10:30:49.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:31:06.983000+08:00","text":"我也有邀請鐵道局、臺鐵還有桃園市政府環保局到現場進行會勘，鐵道局當時會勘的決議是由桃園市政府環保局先進行噪音檢測，你們有收到檢測報告了嗎？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-06-18T10:31:09.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:31:11.127000+08:00","text":"這個部分我可能要再進一步確認。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-18T10:31:11.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:31:17.630000+08:00","text":"也再請局長回去了解，後續也會將檢測報告交給鐵道局作為評估。是。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-18T10:31:20.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:31:25.373000+08:00","text":"然後憑辦增設隔音牆，這邊先請教局長，這個隔音牆還有吸音的……材料。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-18T10:31:31.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:31:37.182000+08:00","text":"對，然後你們有沒有在臨時軌道切換之前先做現場評估？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-18T10:31:38.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:31:42.206000+08:00","text":"說臨時軌道切換之後，它的震動及噪音會比過去更大。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-06-18T10:31:42.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:31:53.376000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，有兩個方向：第一個，我們會降低施工的噪音，因為施工過程會因為機具而產生一些噪音。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-06-18T10:31:54.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:32:15.054000+08:00","text":"第二個，未來我們切換到臨時軌道之後，列車的行駛因為相對更靠近民宅，這一部分可能要根據剛剛講的桃園市政府環保局的噪音監測數據，我們再來評估是不是達到設置隔音牆的標準。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-18T10:32:15.054000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:32:16.054000+08:00","text":"環保檢測噪音不管是鐵道局還是其他單位做的，有時候可能因為數據差一點點，就沒有辦法增設隔音牆，現在因為它比過去還要更鄰近住宅，就局長您的了解，這個隔音牆有多久沒有更換？","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-06-18T10:32:15.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:32:16.421000+08:00","text":"這個地方現在應該是沒有隔音牆吧！","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-18T10:32:16.421000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:32:40.886000+08:00","text":"不好意思……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-06-18T10:32:40.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:32:42.108000+08:00","text":"現在現場應該是沒有隔音牆。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-18T10:32:42.108000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:32:43.108000+08:00","text":"現場是沒有隔音牆？","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-06-18T10:32:43.108000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:32:44.108000+08:00","text":"現在營運行駛中的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-18T10:32:43.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:32:47.655000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有做其他降噪的措施？","qua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