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必要時延長2分鐘列席委員執行時間為4分鐘發言登記截止時間為上午10點30分委員如果有臨時提案請於上午10點30分前提出並與本會委員吳佩奕執行結束後即進行處理"},{"start":2385.22,"end":2393.463,"text":"處理提案時若提案委員及連署委員均會在場原例不予處理首先請發言登記第一位林沛翔委員質詢好謝謝主席有請李部長請部長"},{"start":2410.017,"end":2426.392,"text":"林佩霞委員你好部長早有關中國國民黨黨團我們在10月30號的時候針對公廣集團董事提名召開過記者會那想請問一下就是說目前董監事名單何時提出目前進度如何"},{"start":2427.093,"end":2444.182,"text":"好關於這一點事情跟委員報告按照規定我們在董建市到期的前半年就要啟動這個甄選的計畫那我們文化部的確按照規定在半年前去年11月就啟動了這個這個報告然後啟動這個整個作業調查在調查過程中"},{"start":2452.605,"end":2475.567,"text":"我在這邊抱歉就的確是我們在過程中非常不順利因為這次是第一次審查委員從3%降到2%照理說應該更簡單但是因為之前的有一些公共電視選拔這個委員的過程中非常的不順利成為一個新聞例如"},{"start":2476.513,"end":2495.64,"text":"例如有兩屆的時間是審查幾乎到一千天也就是有兩屆的委員審查到一千天接近一千天還有一屆委員提名了49人刪掉30個人像這樣的新聞造成我在甄選的過程中非常不順利我舉個例子"},{"start":2496.5,"end":2510.553,"text":"其中有一個我徵詢的委員他告訴我說我會耽誤你們的選拔因為我可能過去很多言論得罪了誰這是其中一個其中一個意見於是我在徵詢過程中"},{"start":2512.403,"end":2527.032,"text":"遇到了很多的困難因為公共電視是一個大家都非常重視的公共媒體當我們選委員的時候必須照顧到族群還有各種文化還有性別還有專業我也必須老實講"},{"start":2530.475,"end":2545.395,"text":"外界就是質疑因為老實說我們從今年1月就已經公布了15位審查委員的名單那你也剛剛自己講了公示法也行修法降低同意門檻理論上應該更順暢但是還是零提名"},{"start":2546.236,"end":2568.545,"text":"這樣外界就開始在質疑某個程度上已經到現在已經拖了一年了之後外界常常在質疑說這就是充滿了政治盤算是不是要意圖讓現任的董監事無限延任繼續掌控公網集團呢這一點我跟委員解釋一下這一點絕對不會是政治盤算的原因是原來的每一個"},{"start":2569.73,"end":2594.422,"text":"委员也是经过前一次的评选非常严格的评选也挑出来非常专业的董监事然后这个董监事的过程按照规定时间其实很有限而且这个问题大家都很关心那我提出一个解决方案您知道说中选会也最近很多委员任期都满了"},{"start":2595.303,"end":2622.243,"text":"我们是不是可以比照中选会由行政院发函给各党团来推荐公事的董监事人选呢因为必须这样讲现在公事已经快超过一年了你刚才讲说征询了将近三年这样下去总不是个办法如果说中选会可以这样做的话是否我们在公事集团的人事上面可以比照有一个目前有个先例出来我想"},{"start":2623.004,"end":2646.816,"text":"立法院提出来的人选应该不会被立法院强力攻击吧对吧如果说你刚刚讲就是说有很多考量有很多不同的想法那老实说我们就应该把它变成说各党团来推荐各党团都有知道的文化人也是可以希望而且由各党团推荐反而更能够展现所谓的公平性不是吗"},{"start":2649.059,"end":2670.914,"text":"委員的建議我再解釋一下按照規定是由行政院提出一個名單然後立法院黨團派人他負責審議那名單是由行政院提出這就是我們覺得很頭痛的地方因為行政院這樣做法其實讓一般的民眾會讓尤其是讓關心的學者們會覺得這根本在執法玩法亂法嘛"},{"start":2671.587,"end":2698.971,"text":"因為拖了這麼久如果說今天這個案子沒有拖了這麼久的話本席不會在這邊特地拿出來談而且部長你也知道第七屆董監事延宕的也是將近快三年967天的治理亂象那時候這個延宕導致說公視新聞的資料無端被刪除華視新聞內容連續出包甚至我們的媒體公信力嚴重流失最後面被監察院認證成行政怠惰"},{"start":2699.611,"end":2727.424,"text":"那文化部現在要重蹈覆轍嗎這樣對於我們國家是好嗎對於整個執政團隊是好嗎我認為不是耶所以提早趕快把這個人選拿出來這是很重要的一塊因為拖太久了我想我今天在這邊質詢我是純的善意去了解這個狀況如果是別人來這邊質詢的話恐怕就是不是這樣講但是如果你們不能夠盡快的提出一個好總監事人選或許"},{"start":2728.485,"end":2743.821,"text":"或许依照现在中选例提出来的解决方式也不是唯一一个好方法毕竟来讲公示这边已经延宕太久延宕到现在已经变成国家议题的时候这绝对不是公示制服也绝对不是整个实证团队制服不是吗"},{"start":2745.254,"end":2764.093,"text":"是委員講得非常對公司從1998年成立到現在我覺得它是一個在很少的預算下努力發展的一個公共媒體但是它因為董建勢的甄選單書訂出這樣一個審議辦法之後剛剛我跟委員報告有兩次是一千天都選不出來"},{"start":2765.114,"end":2781.073,"text":"可是行政院已經把名單提出來了那什麼時候行政院給我們現在這個名單的因為從上個禮拜我們開記者會到現在又快過了一個禮拜那這個案子其實大家都很關注所以為什麼會把這件事特地第一個我今天第一個質詢就拿出來談"},{"start":2781.673,"end":2796.131,"text":"因为这东西不能再等下去不管是你们心中有什么样的人选总是出来要给大家检视你不能是说现在看起来大家没有注意到就不去做这样其实是不好的也是对整个国家治理对整个媒体治理是不对的"},{"start":2796.872,"end":2822.121,"text":"我覺得部長你認同這句話吧我認同而且我道歉因為照理說這個聽起來是有點時間上拉的真的很長甚至於你會覺得這個事情有點荒謬但是我覺得所有的荒謬來自前面累積的太長一段大家對這個選拔過程非常沒有信心像我打電話親自去拜訪很多委員我幾乎都沒有成功我也試著從原來的一些"},{"start":2823.362,"end":2842.584,"text":"上一任的委員中也一直去尋找拜託部長你拖得越久這種懷疑就越來越多我必須直接講我現在是直接講你拖得越久懷疑越來越多甚至外界有人講說你是政治人民就是因為個人喜好人民你也聽說過這樣的講法那變成其實這個事情如果越拖越久對大家都不好"},{"start":2843.064,"end":2859.405,"text":"公視需要一個新的總監事名單那社會大眾需要看到文化部行政院有實質上的作為但是如果沒有實質上的作為的時候就會讓人家異想紛紛啊就會讓大家覺得說公視到底沒有什麼黑箱就算說現在部長在這邊是特地說"},{"start":2860.046,"end":2889.245,"text":"为了这个延宕我很抱歉但是大家可能期待的不只是个道歉而是个真正我们大家可以认可的公示名单这点很重要这点不分党派都很重要因为这是公示公示一般来讲是我们认为最有公信力的媒体但是这一段下来变成是他公信力因为这样的人事的延宕而去受损的时候这个不是对不起部长不是说道歉不对道歉不是没有价值但是大家会觉得说这不够啊是吧"},{"start":2890.68,"end":2917.377,"text":"是所以本席在這邊會說第一個就是希望說我們公視名單趕快出來之外第二個我真的認為是說中選會既然有行政院發函給各黨團來推薦公視的總監事名單那我覺得文化部可以審慎考慮一下這樣的作為或許這樣能夠快速的解決我們現在遇到的困境您說是嗎因為這個名單是由行政院提出我們是"},{"start":2918.604,"end":2940.562,"text":"作業單位可能您要試著去說服行政院不然的話這樣下去風暴已經開始了這風暴不會因為說一時沒有看到就停下來風暴只會越來越大您跟文化部甚至行政院受到責難只會越來越多所以本席在這邊提出來講麻煩董監事人事名單盡快決定下來而且讓大家能夠去公審好不好"},{"start":2947.387,"end":2972.932,"text":"是 我尽快会提出一个名单是大家都可以接受的一个大家都觉得很专业的一个名单其实我们已经努力到最后关头大概剩下一两个所以这件事情还差两个我没有什么理由拖因为你怎么样想都是它不是一个多么让人家想要争取的位置因为它是没有薪水然后只有责任没有好处所以大家一直觉得它是黑箱其实没什么道理它不是一个好像是一个"},{"start":2973.956,"end":2996.237,"text":"很肥的植物大家要搶而且他也不是一個黑手因為政府的手也沒有伸進去這點都是外面誤會了我們比較期待就事論事公視的董監事名單現在全國都在看那我們立法院每個委員都在看我們期待說在這方面來講行政院文化部速度可以快一點早點名單出來讓我們公審好 謝謝好 我盡快 謝謝"},{"start":2998.466,"end":3015.075,"text":"謝謝林佩祥委員質詢 部長請回座我們現在現場的委員人數有達到一決人數我們先來確定一下上次的會議議事錄有無錯誤或遺漏之處沒有 那我們議事錄確定那接下來請柯之恩委員質詢謝謝周阿偉 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整体来讲其实我们作为文化部它其实有很多预算就放在各种场馆的维修跟营运上还有例行的业务费用里面如果你删了我任何一笔"},{"start":3958.203,"end":3974.892,"text":"那这个计划本来就要执行的最后我怎么办呢就跟企业募款譬如说年初我们很多活动本来就跟去年继续下去要出国的钱你如果把我删了我们每个单位出去就跟企业去募款部长可不可以举个例子"},{"start":3976.272,"end":3994.859,"text":"聽說我知道像那個宣傳費用對不對就是也被刪掉可是很多人包含最近天下雜誌都有報導我們的大阪世界博覽會就是所謂的不是正式的臺灣館就是它的表現非常好你們是怎麼補足這些彈孔的"},{"start":3995.319,"end":4016.138,"text":"是这个就是我要讲的民间本身主动发起了一个募款活动然后帮我们做广告因为我们的没宣费一被删掉之后事实上我们非常吃力因为我们没有钱做任何广告队伍去了花了钱去了可是告知不够但是我觉得我非常感动就是民间的"},{"start":4018.151,"end":4045.008,"text":"他们看到前面已经花了这些钱来做筹备可是你出去的时候没有宣传所以他们就发起了一波又一波的宣传然后其实我都不知道他们发起以后我才知道然后让我们能够补足了这一部分就是在今年这么辛苦的这一年里面还好有很多民间团体还有企业帮我们补足了一些我们本来就该花的钱我要声明的就是其实刚刚讲到"},{"start":4045.828,"end":4074.075,"text":"那些文化人為什麼很感謝文化部是因為每當一個文化政策做對的時候它就影響這個產業譬如漫畫之所以會對是因為2018年開始有漫畫的這個講座每一個產業都因為某一次的政策對了它就一直持續下去所以我為什麼覺得文化部總預算來講它是不高的它占整個台灣的所有預算都是1%都不到那很難得"},{"start":4074.995,"end":4102.198,"text":"行政院願意讓我的預算到300億左右然後可是我們的能量是一直在擴大我們的活動越來越多它不是今年比去年多的問題它是活動越來越多很多公共建設很多對外活動那我們都靠自己來克服它只要多給我們一點點這個宣傳預算我們就可以做得更好所以為什麼今年把我們砍掉最佳預算2.8億"},{"start":4104.338,"end":4107.107,"text":"其实里面就是有宣传费他就是不让我们花"},{"start":4108.601,"end":4137.593,"text":"所以他就是要部長去找企業家協助就對了自己部長除了要匯做事還要匯募款我覺得他們對於宣傳費有個錯誤的想說我們來大內宣其實我們每一筆錢都花在活動的宣傳比如文化幣如果你不給我錢我文化幣已經偏了很多預算我如何告訴別人說我有文化幣今年我們如果降到13到15歲我如何告訴別人我們有這個活動那部長"},{"start":4139.134,"end":4160.513,"text":"就是说很庆幸看到你们还有能力找民间协助要不然像我刚刚讲的大阪世界博览会这么重要的一个国际宣传的场合落魁就不好了那有没有哪些部分是到现在为止被迫终止或者你们还在努力的因为时间到了30秒内部长可以告诉我们吗"},{"start":4162.014,"end":4180.363,"text":"其实我们大部分的平均在每个业务非常多不够然后被迫终止我们就用别的方式比如说刚才讲到那个点残的没有过以后我们就用其他的地方去补足但是都是捉襟见触我觉得文化部就是这样子你把预算编少了"},{"start":4181.483,"end":4207.437,"text":"對我們同仁來講他少一點工作但是大家都會很急迫的想多做一點其實我們之前的拉扯就是你多給一點錢我們要多做更多事情可是剛好台灣的文化就在這個點上開始很多百花齊放很需要多一點活動包括對外走到國外去宣傳台灣的文化到國外去所有人都非常努力你只要多給一點點錢我們就可以多一點宣傳 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好那像今年九月包含公共電視 華視 中央社央廣 圓明台 客家電視台公視台與台它要攜手來這個攜手來啟動這個AI這個Chatbot的這個合作計畫那等於說它是用大公廣的概念來集結這個台灣具公信力的這個媒體機構來共同建置資訊可靠的AI的聊天機器人那所以這個"},{"start":4715.363,"end":4743.196,"text":"當然這個就是提高可信資訊的這個傳播力那也可以加速公共媒體的數位轉型當然這個是一個很重要的示範效應所以這個AI這個確保的這個計畫我充分反映出這個公共媒體存在的價值跟意義那順利的話好像是2026的年底可以完成那我想無論是開發又或者後續的維運我想都需要經費"},{"start":4744.737,"end":4769.722,"text":"所以自公共電視法修正之後拿掉這個捐贈經費長年來的上限之後那我想確實公廣集團他必須要有一定程度的營運的彈性那可是常態性的捐贈一直維持在修法前的9億那我想請問部長你是不是跟胡董事長有探討過究竟這個常態性的捐贈要如何設定才能合理"},{"start":4771.638,"end":4786.797,"text":"其实说来蛮悲哀的就是这个9亿本来是个天花板拿掉之后还是9亿然后大家听到的其他二十几亿是因为有台语台的8亿和少台的6亿还有台湾plus6.5亿前三期等等"},{"start":4787.418,"end":4808.792,"text":"所以原來在公共電視所能夠用的錢還是9億我非常感謝委員提到這件事因為我自己在大公管集團工作過公共電視在1998年成立到現在一直是用這樣的錢在工作包括增加多少人然後多少工作所以我當然希望他能夠在委員支持下我們提高這個天花板"},{"start":4811.55,"end":4832.011,"text":"最後30秒主席不好意思還是要跟部長探討一下已經講到都會背的中人紀念堂轉型的問題我想轉型正義確實是記憶跟遺忘的鬥爭在具體落實轉型讓大家集體意識到國家的力量去紀念獨裁者是多麼的不公不義"},{"start":4834.333,"end":4852.857,"text":"會一直講 一直講 一直講當然我覺得這真的非常重要那部長 感謝就是說現在三軍儀隊已經撤出中任進行堂堂體喔那可是我們應該也沒有藉口說要讓民眾像進建皇帝一樣爬上階梯仰望獨裁者所以"},{"start":4853.717,"end":4880.537,"text":"可是中文紀念堂又是一個外國人會去的地方那他們看到我們在彰顯這個緬懷獨裁者的這個動作我覺得會丟臉丟到國際這樣的文化外交其實是不倫不類所以我建議具體建議中文紀念堂它有油壓大門有五層樓高那為了紀念獨裁者每年都要必須讓這個工作人員冒著生命的危險爬到同門上面去檢修保養"},{"start":4881.437,"end":4909.86,"text":"四次那檢查保養的項目包括這個易壓系統啦什麼鋼索啦銅門啦軌道等等有49個細項部長我覺得為了一個獨裁者那每天開門開關廟門讓人家受人膜拜要求全民繳稅做這些繁瑣的工作我是覺得非常的荒唐所以想請文化部來研議看看或者是否可以承諾在中正紀念堂落實轉型前維持堂體大門的關閉"},{"start":4911.121,"end":4919.73,"text":"在轉型過渡期盡量減少對政治受難者家屬的傷害和羞辱這是我的建議 那布小部長你怎麼看"},{"start":4921.781,"end":4948.78,"text":"行政院有一个转型正义汇报非常确定就是未来中正经验堂走向一个历史记忆还有人权教育的一个民主的这个民主教育园区那它这是一个不可能改变的一个趋势那过程中包括空间刚刚委员提到的空间要不要把门关起来或者空间的改造去除威权的形象还有我们的活动我们的展演"},{"start":4949.6,"end":4966.449,"text":"就朝這個方向過去但是委員你剛剛講的關這個門我們會也是在我們的也許一步一步走到一個程度是大家可以接受的時候我們就往空間改造往空間改造來思考但是跟委員報告就是我們一直朝向把"},{"start":4967.009,"end":4993.275,"text":"中央經濟團跟人權的議題綁在一起我們有一個中央經濟團有個戲院剛才演完人權電影還有泛台語片諸如此類我希望讓觀光客也慢慢走進這個中央經濟團以後大概了解這個我們台灣的民主的過程這個是一個我們下一下一波要努力的事情好謝謝謝謝部長謝謝主席謝謝林一金委員質詢部長請回座"},{"start":4995.919,"end":5017.047,"text":"接下来请万美玲委员咨询好 谢谢赵伟我们有请部长请部长万伟你好好 部长早部长"},{"start":5018.072,"end":5046.614,"text":"我想這個文化的工作從你上任到現在你有沒有覺得其實項目非常多樣貌非常廣其實工作壓力其實也蠻大的其實還好耶因為我覺得文化工作所以工作壓力不大項目也不多樣貌也不廣不是 應該這樣講我來之後告訴自己說文化工作就是一波接一波的沒關係 我相信很好就是說你也說到了嘛一波接一波其實很多事情要做嘛溫馨無愧就好這樣"},{"start":5047.919,"end":5068.099,"text":"當然問心無愧難道問心有愧的來做這件事嗎所以但是呢我想部長我要提醒您就是說這個是應該你對自己要有期許我們對你也是要有期許就是說文化的工作其實非常多不管今天要把台灣這個文化藉由這個文化外交各方面的這個形式讓世界看到台灣就是第一個第二個"},{"start":5068.559,"end":5087.79,"text":"我們怎麼讓台灣的文化不管在這個素質上面在習慣上面的養成在深度廣度我們在台灣內部我們也要加強我想這點都同意所以我覺得其實不會有太多的時間去搞意識形態其實應該回到這個文化的主體那我這樣的說法您同意嗎"},{"start":5089.989,"end":5116.848,"text":"非常同意因為我自己就走過一個威權時代剛剛前面一個委員徵詢我我就是在國民黨時代有有有剛才也聽你就是回憶了回憶了一下許多年前的歷史但我覺得說文化還是回到文化主體比較好我想在教育文化委員會的這些委員們或許大家有不一樣的看法有些人很喜歡談意識形態但有很多人其實就是非常兢兢業業的在協助文化部"},{"start":5117.248,"end":5145.404,"text":"怎麼樣子來把我們文化部的這個業務做好那我們也都非常支持文化部的預算但支持預算是一件事但監督預算的使用是一件事那我相信部長對於我們的監督也是非常樂於啊然後跟我們不管是執政或在野的委員大家來密切的配合嘛好 那我想我們就回到今天本席要質詢的正題我們看到今天大家也都在談這個公事我請教一下部長按照公事法"},{"start":5146.064,"end":5166.772,"text":"公事董事的任期多久你不清楚我三年對三年喔為什麼要有任期啊為什麼要有任期啊按照公事法任期滿了之後這些董事跟監事可以繼續到下一期"},{"start":5167.659,"end":5182.105,"text":"好像是這樣子但是為什麼要制定一個任期呢就是怕其實也沒有為什麼沒有為什麼想制定就制定不想制定就不要制定想一尋就一尋不想一尋就不要一尋因為辦法上好像沒有規定一定要換部長我想我跟您講一下"},{"start":5183.025,"end":5204.085,"text":"這回去以後你可以再看一下我們規定要三年改選其實恐怕是我們也希望這個董事還是要有一個任期那可以保持我們公視一個獨立性那同時我們定期的接受這個審查跟更換那我們也可以落實對公視營運的相關的監督這一些大概都是有任期我們希望達到一個作用"},{"start":5204.906,"end":5218.021,"text":"因此這個任期到了我們按照這個公示法也就是今天你都有提到的在借滿前的這個六個月我們就要開始把這個作業把它完成但現在已經就是delay了將近十個月的時間那"},{"start":5220.484,"end":5246.262,"text":"在這個這當中有從媒體本身有看到一個就是說您早上也有提到說這個選任困難的經驗讓很多專業人士卻步早上我有聽您這樣講但是文化部當時也有出來表達說因為被徵詢的人不願意因為選任而被羞辱這句話是您可以看一下這句話是媒體文化部的回應這也是您的這個說法嗎"},{"start":5249.099,"end":5263.358,"text":"这话是我说的没有错那请问一下是谁羞辱了这些被征询的人怎么被羞辱了你这个用词本身要提醒你是非常的重我一定要举个例子就是我一再觉得公共媒体"},{"start":5264.179,"end":5281.152,"text":"是一個要非常被尊敬的公管集團每一個董事部長我今天時間有限要尊敬這件事情不用再講我們都知道要尊敬你說他們是因為被羞辱所以多婉拒請問一下他們曾經怎樣被羞辱可能怎樣會被羞辱"},{"start":5282.073,"end":5297.527,"text":"所以一份工作它沒有任何好處看到前面的人你這樣回答就是在消耗我的時間啦就你這句話你既然今天也說了說因為他們會被羞辱所以他們被玩具那這個很嚴重我想請教一下你認為這些審查委員會怎麼羞辱他們"},{"start":5300.069,"end":5324.681,"text":"我不曉得那你既然不曉得你怎麼可以說是因為會怕羞辱呢可是過去的經驗中過去的經驗有兩次都是一千天有兩次是一千天然後有一次是四十九個人刷掉三十個人部長本席要跟您說嚴格審查跟被羞辱是兩件截然不同的事情我們要提醒你你今天下這個結論太重了他的地位都蠻高的還是會被刷掉"},{"start":5325.501,"end":5349.799,"text":"很多人答這樣真你也不能這樣講啊因為他地位很高所以提出來就一定要問連審查都不能審查當然可以審但是他本身會對嘛所以請您具體講一下嘛羞辱是怎樣羞辱嘛什麼叫做羞辱就說他沒資格做嘛什麼你沒資格做董事嘛OK所以你現在的意思是說提出來以後如果審查委員認為他沒有資格這就是一種羞辱那以後你提出來就不需要審查委員啦"},{"start":5351.019,"end":5378.482,"text":"就不用審查了嘛所以一審查就是羞辱按照你的說法所以過程中非常辛苦就是他們都跟我這樣講為什麼我要被提名之後被抓掉部長我想喔這個我可能要仔細跟你溝通一下我想你也非常了解喔在我們過去的相處當中你知道我是一個非常理性也非常尊重文化部的人但是呢今天你說這個不願意被選任是因為被羞辱是您的說法喔我非常不以為然不能接受喔只因為提出一個人選"},{"start":5379.122,"end":5387.271,"text":"然後大家有審查審查時間比較久一點或者甚至於審查界我認為不是認你就認為這是一個羞辱這我們不能接受你願意收回這樣的話嗎我把羞辱兩個字修改成"},{"start":5393.908,"end":5417.885,"text":"痛苦因為任何一個人被我們選中的人他都在他那個領域中幾乎是頂尖的人然後聽大家七嘴八舌把他刷掉很沒有面子你願意把這個羞辱改成痛苦我把羞辱改成痛苦好了本席也接受但真的不能講羞辱如果去審查就是羞辱本席跟你講了搞不好大家還都不願意來做這個審查委員了因為只要一審查這個人被扣上一個盜帽子說你去羞辱人家這不好啦 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部長我請教你一下現在到底有幾個人選是已經確定的還差幾個人選我可以跟委員報告差不多只差一個了"},{"start":5469.488,"end":5487.835,"text":"只差一個那很好啊那如果只差一個那就麻煩部長吹一吹吧好不好趕快去吹一下跟行政院溝通一下就只差一個人選大家再努力一下好不好這可以做得到嗎我會努力好謝謝你的努力喔那最後我想再跟你提一下文化禮金喔我們看到這個文化禮金"},{"start":5488.015,"end":5517.139,"text":"文化币也算是我们文化部一个蛮有成果的一个政策但是呢我们的领取率始终都没有办法往上提升112年89%113年86%那么到现在为止大概84%真的是比较低那我们要去思考一下怎么样把它往上冲高那第二个呢我们今年开始试办13到15岁每人发放600块但是到目前为止领取率大概只有63%这非常的低啊可不可以简单说明一下"},{"start":5518.75,"end":5544.429,"text":"当初我们要把这个年龄降到13到15岁的时候本来就会有很多人提出说他们知不知道他可以领第二个他们如何领那后来我们还是往下做的原因是我一直觉得这个文化这个东西往下降对不是啊我只是要问您说只有63.5%为什么啦63.5%的确是跟16到22岁的比起来比较少但是我个人认为少多了"},{"start":5546.15,"end":5561.509,"text":"63.5表示說10個裡面有6個人知道了那其實對13到15歲國小生跟國中生我覺得這個成績我們可以再充斥最後兩個月而且我們最近也找到體育部一起努力來讓這個告知多一點人知道"},{"start":5561.949,"end":5578.505,"text":"部長所以我想前面的80幾%我們再努力一下63.5%好的政策拜託想辦法跟教育部合作怎麼樣讓13到15歲呢這領取率提高那最後一個那個不好意思30秒就好您剛剛提到說跟李遠部長有一個遠洋合作對不對"},{"start":5580.546,"end":5597.571,"text":"對好但是呢這個遠洋合作是說如果10月31號以前我們宣布加碼文化這個文化幣跟這個動資券對不對也就是說你在11月30號之前你把這個文化幣跟動資券屬於你的權益你都把它消費完了我們鼓勵消費嘛那文化部加碼200塊的文化幣"},{"start":5599.551,"end":5615.953,"text":"然后呢这个体育部可能就是100块动资券嘛那部长我想请教一下我们以目前现在看来将近有162万人领取了文化币如果我们都符合的话那这个增加的这个200块钱乘起来本席帮你算一下要3.24亿猜约哪里来"},{"start":5617.403,"end":5633.722,"text":"沒有那麼多啦沒有到三點多所以你認為大家都不會用完一半不是我們大概估算過大概六七千萬六七千萬所以你認為會用完的人這麼少也不是那是什麼其實已經用完的人蠻多的但是剩下一些我們想"},{"start":5634.483,"end":5661.394,"text":"吃雞他在11月底用完了來來來這個我不要讓那個交委為難部長你這個數學你有問題啊一回又說大家都會都用完了那一回又說只會有六七千萬的預算但六七千萬乘回去就是都沒用完啊所以你這個數學大有問題喔所以我要提醒您說如果我們希望這樣鼓勵他們也就是希望他們最好都能用完那如果都能用完的情況之下你裁員在哪裡會後給本席一個說明好嗎是沒問題好謝謝好謝謝"},{"start":5663.475,"end":5671.44,"text":"謝謝萬美玲委員質詢 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動物來呈現所以我在委員會會持續的爭取相關的預算來幫忙協助也希望國美館能夠全力的配合盡早啟動已經在啟動策展了但是能夠盡早的把這些都全部大綱底定我們會更樂觀啟程這個好嗎謝謝委員"},{"start":5883.28,"end":5906.947,"text":"另外想就叫部長部長對於藝人最近的散兵案昨天也有藝人自己自首那我想之前你也有在媒體上也有詢問你也有回應對於未來有可能說獎項撤回或者是暫緩資格相關的機制你們內部會做一個討論目前有沒有什麼具體的方案"},{"start":5909.793,"end":5933.248,"text":"我謝謝委員問這個問題因為這個問題發展到昨天有藝人自動出來承認他曾經犯的錯誤我覺得對我來講藝人覺得自己過去做錯這件事情很勇敢的面對他做錯這件事情跟社會道歉在我們台灣這個社會一個包容跟"},{"start":5934.589,"end":5948.78,"text":"善良的社会还有民主自由的社会我觉得这是一件好事那至于您刚才提到要不要把它撤回这件事其实我们非常积极的已经跟三组人在谈一个就是金马奖一个金钟奖一个金曲奖"},{"start":5949.44,"end":5974.676,"text":"大體上委員們給我們的回饋大部分的意見都是說在辦法上我們給一個獎出去都是在那一年給在技術方面他表現得最好的那一群評審委員評完之後其中也有人曾經考慮過這個藝人有過剛剛你講的這些問題那他們也把這個東西考慮進去了結果把它頒給他以後我們"},{"start":5975.957,"end":5991.511,"text":"過了幾年之後或者把它收回來這個理由非常不足回頭看金馬獎從來沒收回過金鐘獎也沒有過就是因為在辦法上大家都承認我們給的是在那一年度表現最好的某一項"},{"start":5992.897,"end":6019.885,"text":"這件事情我跟委員要講的就是剛剛我提到說藝人其實他對自己的期待應該是對社會有影響力他應該要承認自己的錯誤然後他應該表現得更高的要求自己更高能夠讓他的粉絲或者讓社會觀感更好這一點我覺得才是一個正面的讓藝人會有人主動出來認錯我覺得這個算是比過去進步"},{"start":6020.545,"end":6033.637,"text":"這樣子啊讓我打斷你一下我並不是主張一定要獎項撤回啦那我要講的是說其實我也能夠認同當時他在這個項目一定是非常卓越的表現獲得了該獎項那"},{"start":6035.299,"end":6061.353,"text":"那今天他有爆發出這樣的事情我們感到很遺憾但要不要到整個獎項收回這個你應該要專業討論你剛剛也有說找這個三金相關的人事啊或者是評審討論過但我要講說不一定是收回也有可能用其他的方式去回饋整個社會去協助正面的一個宣導甚至是加強國軍的招募這是我一直以來在努力的"},{"start":6061.653,"end":6086.263,"text":"希望就是讓藝人投入國軍招募的一些正面形象來做一個挽回所以是不是直接的懲罰我覺得社會大眾都可以討論那也希望您能夠朝向說不一定是直接的懲罰而是間接的回饋整個社會形象的加強這部分也希望你能夠具體的來討論這部分"},{"start":6088.104,"end":6115.987,"text":"委員這個建議真的非常好我覺得許多事情剛發生的時候你覺得它是個壞事可是經過大家討論有藝人站出來道歉然後未來也許國防部在增兵的時候他可以用到藝人來做我覺得這個idea非常好他可以用這樣子的方向來拍劇或者是拍宣導片甚至是有機會把它做成一個教材我坦白講我在國防委員會我就講我說我以前是看那個新兵日記"},{"start":6117.088,"end":6143.013,"text":"被騙去當兵的因為新兵日記看起來都很歡樂就進去實際上是並沒有這麼歡樂但我要講的是相關的一些影視作業如果出來讓年輕人能夠看到我覺得這有助於尤其我要再一次強調我們去韓國韓國是一堆年輕人穿著軍服在類似台北的西門町這種大街逛街為什麼"},{"start":6143.593,"end":6166.393,"text":"他认为他穿着军服是骄傲的是走在街头不会被歧视的我们要怎么样去打造这样子的一个观感文化部我觉得需要协助国防部所以艺人的一个协助参与这部分我希望您能够去把它列为在这一次能够讨论机制里面好不好这给您参考一下"},{"start":6167.66,"end":6188.639,"text":"其实台湾第一部军交片就是我写的成功领上我蛮有经验的您的建议非常好我们跟国安部来谈谈看再拜托您谢谢另外想跟您请问就是台中国家歌剧院简单来讲就是国家歌剧院我们整个台中将它交给了中央以后"},{"start":6190.021,"end":6204.842,"text":"當時都希望地方的權益跟共享的機制要實際的落實那我們看到在民國91年推動的重大文化建設也是我們重大的文化地景最初的構想就是台中的文化中心"},{"start":6205.743,"end":6221.424,"text":"那當時又隨著中央文化的建設計畫介入整個逐步升格為國家級的表演藝術場館103年完工以後啟用成為全國矚目的文化地標但在這個地方我們看到了"},{"start":6222.445,"end":6241.49,"text":"這段時間裡面地方普遍感受不到不是共榮而是被邊緣化為什麼會這樣子覺得你聽聽看當年台中市議會附帶9項意見為前提通過無償捐贈文化部的一個決議明確要求"},{"start":6242.29,"end":6266.658,"text":"保障地方的權益包括董事會納入台中代表至少三成的黨旗要保留地方團體以及中央應該補助回饋地方建設等但至今為止我們看到多數條件並不能夠落實事實上早在103年立法院就有立法委員在質詢地方就已經明確的表達過三項的期待"},{"start":6267.574,"end":6279.149,"text":"我再講一次就是包含總監英語中部的藝術來做一個發展連結董事會應該有地方的席次我想請問一下部長您知道目前董事會有沒有台中代表嗎"},{"start":6280.885,"end":6304.736,"text":"有兩席哪兩席請說我們有黃國榮跟蔡長海董事好我想這個文化跟藝術方面的一個連結這兩位董事當然是地方人士我們當然都能夠認同但是我們更希望台中能夠就像您剛剛說的有文化藝術的背景能夠再更加的加強"},{"start":6305.416,"end":6322.927,"text":"不是說這兩位不夠而是說能不能再更加努力的增加席次讓台中的連結能夠加深我必須要講我們更希望文化部能夠落實當年的條件檢討現在的治理架構能夠真正讓地方能夠參與來決策包括最近我在拜託"},{"start":6324.315,"end":6341.817,"text":"我們台中的國小小朋友想要到這個國家歌劇院前面的廣場閃眼五分鐘閃眼在前面的廣場不是到裡面正式的舞台歌劇院給我的回覆是沒辦法你要用租的"},{"start":6343.093,"end":6359.285,"text":"國小的小朋友我覺得這個部分能不能給他們一些機會今天我不是只是為了一個孩子每個國家都要培育孩子的文化藝術給他們一些舞台這些孩子哪有辦法去正式的一個舞台去租用去做表演給他們一些榮耀感"},{"start":6360.166,"end":6372.986,"text":"所以這個部分我希望部長能夠不管是我剛剛所說的一個個案所衍生出來的一個文化教育到現在台中的連結地方的回饋我希望部長您可以重視這個會後能不能給我一些回應"},{"start":6374.585,"end":6388.764,"text":"好沒問題其實我們有有那個扮青年席位讓年輕人只花很少錢進去看這個部分我們有一直在做但是您剛剛講整體的我們是演出不是看喔小朋友的意願五分鐘他可能就是活躍這個我們來"},{"start":6390.686,"end":6405.491,"text":"研究一下看怎麼做對 給地方的一些回饋好 趙偉不好意思最後30秒動漫季升帳票無法線上購買我簡單講最近我們接到民眾陳情博鱷動漫季在透過全網行銷這個主辦方"},{"start":6407.372,"end":6430.643,"text":"在售票的時候他說他有提供身心障礙票但是你要現場購買然後現場提供證據沒有提供線上身心障礙者能夠購票的一個系統我們查過這個主辦方之前都有提供線上購買身心障礙票的一個按鈕可是就在這一次博鱷動漫季竟然沒有"},{"start":6431.363,"end":6454.293,"text":"沒有這個按鈕這是一個民眾很小的事情但民事不可緩小事就是我們大事為什麼以往可以有這樣子的一個身心障礙票購買現在沒有博爾多曼記我希望後續部長能夠關切這一類事項讓他們有所改進也請部長事後回應我一下謝謝謝謝羅廷維委員質詢部長請回座"},{"start":6461.021,"end":6471.52,"text":"接下来请张亚琳委员咨询谢谢赵伟我们有请部长请李部长"},{"start":6476.062,"end":6495.897,"text":"詹委員你好部長好我想要針對幾個演唱會的問題跟你討論就是說這幾天呢其實有很多的韓星來台灣開演唱會那我們發現台灣這兩個字民眾非常的就是非常的在乎他們過去可能在台灣都會去像Super Junior這個團體過去來台灣都會喊台灣這樣子可是呢"},{"start":6496.658,"end":6518.068,"text":"他們發現說這個台灣這兩個字呢消失了變成是用地名來取代然後後來在粉絲的抗議之下呢才更改了文字但是還是沒有出現過台灣這樣子那也曾經說呢在現場的時候這些明星明明是喊台灣可是我們的翻譯卻自己把它翻成台北"},{"start":6520.543,"end":6549.484,"text":"那再來還有就是說見面會明確的禁止要求使用台灣這兩個字所以我想這對粉絲來說其實都造成很大的困惑就是在國外也就算了中國的打壓我們在很多的場景下沒有辦法說台灣但是為什麼連在我們自己的土地上面我們都還是不能喊台灣還是要配合中國的這種敘事呢來去做相關的一些統戰所以我想要了解就是說"},{"start":6550.578,"end":6579.762,"text":"部長現在大概有了解這樣子的狀況嗎這個演唱會經濟屬於民間的活動然後這些活動都在民間辦我們必須呼籲主辦單位請他們妥善的溝通那自我審查這個部分我想他們自己這些主辦單位自己本身大概也沒有要他們不准我想是個人的意識形態那站在我們立場我想我們盡量去呼籲也跟他們溝通說不要有這個限制"},{"start":6581.359,"end":6594.539,"text":"我想就是說因為其實我們在許多的演唱會進場之前它都會有一些禁止事項跟安檢政策特別有提到說不要帶政治性的標語但是我想"},{"start":6595.899,"end":6621.501,"text":"台灣對中國來說就是一個屬於政治性的標語特別是說現在有很多的這個可能演唱會的主辦單位過去他們在都是中資來台灣落底的那我想這個部分是不是可以明確的來去跟主辦單位來去要求說不要對於這樣子的一個言論做審查因為台灣畢竟是一個有言論自由的國家"},{"start":6623.122,"end":6638.474,"text":"這部分是不是可以請文化部主動的跟這些相關的主辦單位來去做一些溝通呢沒問題這個部分我們會來溝通好那我想這邊雖然我知道說這個民眾其實非常擔心說因為他們是中資來台灣落地的這些公司"},{"start":6639.214,"end":6662.665,"text":"如果我們今天去這邊買票我們各自會不會有洩漏的問題據我所知是不會不會有各自洩漏的問題因為各自是在售票系統上面這個部分是不是可以請部長也再確認一下我這樣子的說法是正確的嗎因為我想也可以讓民眾不要擔心這樣子通常在台灣要辦這些活動都必須是台灣本地的公司在主辦"},{"start":6663.88,"end":6675.987,"text":"對 但是我是說因為他們現在擔心就是說你是台灣的主辦可是其實你是中資在台灣落地那這些資料你會不會台灣收集之後拿回去給中國這是大家擔心的地方在說拍平台上會注意這一點"},{"start":6676.952,"end":6697.932,"text":"對 所以基本上部長這邊是可以告訴大家是我們大家在售票系統上面填入的個資其實是並不會被洩漏的 對嗎是 沒有問題好的 好 那我想這個就是希望部長文化部要有個態度要跟這些國外的藝人還有主辦單位清楚地溝通要來台灣表演就必須尊重台灣的主體性"},{"start":6698.593,"end":6724.562,"text":"那再來下一個問題就是說在今年3月陸委會也公布了多位在台灣發展的台灣在中國發展的台灣藝人集體在微博轉發中國央視的台灣必歸的貼文那陸陸續續不管在10月1號等等都有發出相關的貼文那文化部後來表示說許多藝人回應貼文是經紀公司代為發布不知道內容但是這樣子的說法"},{"start":6725.262,"end":6745.14,"text":"合理嗎我想請教部長就是說如果一個藝人的社群帳號代言通通都是在中國公司的掌控之下他還算是自由的文化工作者嗎還是他已經可能成為了中國的宣傳工具那這個會不會影響到國家的文化主權的問題呢"},{"start":6747.396,"end":6759.176,"text":"關於藝人轉發這些統戰的這個文字我們在處理上非常慎重因為為什麼因為我們我們對藝人到那邊去之後他怎麼樣被那邊的"},{"start":6760.563,"end":6787.564,"text":"工作人員控制或者遇到什麼困難我們其實真的不了解所以還好這一次有個機會就是陸委會給我們一個專案計畫把這20幾個人交給我們我們官司聯絡這20幾個人都出現問題就是他地址也找不到等等但是我們總算把它全部找到試著一個一個談以後發現他們講的都是一樣的就是他們其實根本不知道誰發這個然後也許是經紀公司"},{"start":6788.445,"end":6808.034,"text":"甚至於甚至於是有人統一在發連那個控制小控制那個網路的小編他都不是是有人統一發所以在那次我們用一個比較委婉的方式對外宣布我們這個調查過程之後不曉得委員有沒有發現在那次之後的"},{"start":6808.954,"end":6824.732,"text":"他們的行為就沒有踩到一個我們規定不能夠講統戰的語言那一直到現在他們都沒有再發過類似的語言所以我覺得我們在處理方式比較溫和一點但是有呼籲一點 關懷一點我覺得還是有點笑"},{"start":6825.478,"end":6851.866,"text":"好 聽起來就是說我們現在的委婉溝通部長認為是有效那我希望可以持續的來監督因為之前我們在跟文化部請教的時候都會說因為這個可能沒有辦法符合《兩岸人民關係條例》的三十三條之一的第一項第一款的規定其中的合法行為因為沒有辦法去界定這件事情所以我想這個部分的話是不是也應該要來準備修法呢如果有人在委婉溝通之後還是再犯呢"},{"start":6854.941,"end":6880.672,"text":"這個主管機關是陸委會他們我覺得未來在你們可以一起來討論吧因為你們是文化事業的主管機關的確我們會卡在一個原來的限制裡面他到底哪些語言哪些東西算是踩到這個紅線那後來陸委會就講出一個不能講武統不能講台灣是中國的一部分他就已經直接講這兩條不能講那我們就按照這兩條去了解這些藝人為什麼這樣做"},{"start":6881.272,"end":6904.941,"text":"那未来我觉得一定要从办法上直接改否则我们会继续在因为我们是个民主国家也是个法治国家当我们要惩处他的时候要有一个法律依据没错是就是说我也肯定部长积极的跟大家来沟通但是我讲我们还是要思考的是当已经沟通之后还是再犯之后我们必须要有法人可以来去处理这样子的问题"},{"start":6905.521,"end":6931.489,"text":"那同時呢更諷刺的是這些人回到台灣他還是可以申請文化部的補助喔不管是長篇輔導金影視局的補助或者是文哲院的投資那甚至是代言我們相關的活動甚至擔任文化大使這代表其實我們現在的制度是沒有防線的沒有防線的我們是一個民主國家那過去大家你們也會告訴我們說這是言論自由的一部分但是我要強調我們尊重中國的言論自由"},{"start":6932.829,"end":6959.485,"text":"卻是在限縮了台灣就是在限縮了台灣的主體性所以我希望就是說部長是不是可以再考慮再補助這些藝文活動或是進行相關審查的時候可以將涉及敵對勢力政治宣傳或統戰內容來納入一個審查的指標呢如果這個藝人之前曾經有配合中國宣傳或爭議或是屢勸不聽我們再補助"},{"start":6962.307,"end":6981.241,"text":"活動資格和合作審查時會主動提出警示或限制不然我覺得這不合理你拿我的納稅人的補助我們說的補助都是納稅人的錢你拿了台灣人的錢可是卻配合中國打壓台灣我覺得這不合理部長是不是可以承諾考慮將這件事情設計在我們的審查指標裡"},{"start":6982.253,"end":7009.753,"text":"其实我们已经有在做一个比如说如果是交流型的人到国外去交流这些艺人本身就先说的那个限制比较严格其实我们已经公告了如果他涉及到这些言论我们的辅导金我们的补助要收回来这已经开始做那其他的项目我们在逐渐检讨中的确有这个问题就是辅导金到底要给谁然后他如果犯了这个错我们该不该给他这个的确是一个有一个讨论的空间"},{"start":7010.643,"end":7035.878,"text":"好 我希望部長可以開始啟動討論那我也希望說大概多久我們可以來做一個討論的結果呢這個應該三個月吧要不要三個月嗎三個月差不多因為我們在內部其實有針對這個問題有一直討論所以三個月後給委員一個答案好嗎好 那最後我快快的講一個問題就是因為演唱會非常非常的紅那其實之前講黃牛票這個問題但是我今天要講的是黃牛詐騙"},{"start":7037.419,"end":7051.484,"text":"就是說現在他們其實透過很多的假票不僅是烘台票價而且你可能烘台票價你買到的還是假票你還進不去之前我就有說到一個case就是一個年輕人 青少年他存了兩萬塊去買一個演唱會門票結果後來是假票 他進不去"},{"start":7052.504,"end":7081.226,"text":"所以我覺得我們還是要來處理這個詐騙的問題社會上其實一直有在討論是不是可以建立一個官方的二手票券交換平台之前我們也有跟文化部來討論是說其實文化部要來做這件事情有困難因為沒有辦法驗證是不是真票還是假票這部分我也相當同意但是我們是不是可以來跟這個部會來跟相關的這個售票系統來溝通來討論我們是不是可以提供相關的一些"},{"start":7082.327,"end":7108.648,"text":"可能不管是跨平台協調的角色呢或是提供平台建置跟維護的一些成本的補助我們是不是可以從這個方向來去來去加強這個二手票券的流通避免真的想去的人買到假票那或是臨時有票的臨時不能去的人呢也沒有辦法出清他的票我們是不是可以往這個方向來討論呢沒有問題我們會繼續來了解這個過程看我們能做什麼這樣"},{"start":7109.673,"end":7123.458,"text":"好喔那這個之後我會找相關的抽票型來討論那也邀請文化部一起來參加好沒問題好謝謝張雅琳委員部長請回好接下來請陳秀寶召委謝主席請黎原部長好有請部長"},{"start":7141.384,"end":7155.954,"text":"陳委員你好部長早安部長昨天我們影視界有個很重大的好消息就是有電信業者跟文策院還有韓國娛樂公司電視台共同宣布成立兩個基金雙基金那總共的規模超過了15億元那主要是要力推台灣影視內容產業化與國際化"},{"start":7163.979,"end":7167.724,"text":"部長這個合作是我們台灣影視業影視產業的這個重要的里程碑也是過去教文委員一直都要強調說我們文化部這邊我們需要跟國際合作所以這個部分本席是給予肯定而且是非常支持"},{"start":7181.621,"end":7210.854,"text":"我想請教目前這個雙基金的合作我們文策院這邊投資的比例跟金額是多少我們預計要合作多少作品或者說我們有沒有預計要上架多少作品要上架的國家跟區域有沒有限定我們有沒有先規劃出來非常感謝委員問這個問題其實我們不只雙基金我們還有好幾個類似的基金在這次發表然後這個努力大概花了好多年才達成我是不是請我們董事長給您仔細的報告"},{"start":7211.36,"end":7226.638,"text":"好 請董事長跟委員報告那個比例的部分在這兩支雙激進裡面大概都是我這邊大概佔30%左右它有的多一點有的少一點然後最多因為我這邊都不能超過49%所以在另外一支因為有兩支啦有一支雙激進我們好像是佔到49%那前面那一支應該是30%"},{"start":7228.513,"end":7242.215,"text":"那我們預計會合作多少作品跟上架多少作品我們現在在作品我們沒有限量作品沒有說因為我們在這個是一個投資的基金所以他們我們是基本上是共組一個公司下去投"},{"start":7242.682,"end":7267.223,"text":"所以我们投的作品可以无限多但它的最重要的关键性的好处是说我们让专业第一个让专业界第二个让企业界进入这个基金所以他们都所以他们变成说可以就专业的部分来做这个挑选所以我们不是以数量来看是以内容来选对它基本上内容来我们只有跟那我们上架的国家跟区域目前有没有规划朝哪几个区域去发展"},{"start":7267.583,"end":7286.058,"text":"就發展的規劃的部分來說基本上是全球沒有哪裡是不要去的但是會因為合作的夥伴會有不同的像度譬如在類型電影的部分我們可能會往東南亞然後在動畫的部分我們可能會往日本在愛情片的部分可能會往韓國所以不同類型的產品我們推的地區會不一樣沒錯然後是這樣"},{"start":7288.76,"end":7300.493,"text":"那我想有這兩個基金的推理我們台灣影視的作品一定更能在國際上得到更多的肯定我們還會持續發佈的我們今天還有雖然我們今天在這裡但我們今天還有新的所以還有新的好消息這樣子好 謝謝那我想請教部長"},{"start":7303.897,"end":7317.784,"text":"另外我們文化部今年有啟動大航海計畫第二個梯次是要新增國際旗艦組要鼓勵跨域或可以發展IP的這些企業投入希望透過吸引國際資金還有國際人才來進而促進更多的商業競爭與藝術價值的有這樣子的價值的台灣的定義"},{"start":7327.248,"end":7336.029,"text":"那這些都是非常重要的國際合作的手段國際旗艦組我們這個補助會延續多久我們EGA要補助多少作品"},{"start":7337.13,"end":7362.54,"text":"目前我們以我們所編的預算我們想3年大概補助10部左右我們是把它擺在一般的補助裡面多一個旗艦組然後我們算一算我們的能量大概3年有10部左右大概最高到1億然後最低大概5、6千因為我們另外一個輔導金最高是5千萬我們等於再加一樣是比5千多到1億左右這樣的一個能量"},{"start":7363.462,"end":7382.037,"text":"就是因為這樣的預算規模那我們的期間是三年嘛那以預算規模來講我們預計是可以有十部的作品得到補助那本席這邊要強調其實我們台灣影視音走進世界是文化外交一個很重要很重要的一個途徑所以本席這邊對我們文化部"},{"start":7383.098,"end":7411.169,"text":"在115年的業務有很大的期許以我們過去的成績我也相信未來一定可以很亮眼那接下來我要持續的來請教部長我們在115年度編列預算完成之後部長表示說希望以文化團結台灣但是文化是融合在我們生活之中經濟文化 教育文化 運動文化及生活文化那本席這邊要問的是為了促進多方面的文化活動及推廣"},{"start":7411.809,"end":7437.795,"text":"文化部是不是應該要跟各部會來橫向合作我們更積極的建立不同面向的活動這邊舉兩個例子像第一個像遠洋合作就是我們李遠部長跟李洋部長我們兩個部文化部跟運動部我們透過體育文化文化體育這個合作讓人來在體育中去結合在文化中來結合體育這也是我們因為我們民眾也覺得很新鮮"},{"start":7438.615,"end":7465.816,"text":"那近期運動部他有發布了青春動視圈跟文化禮經的加碼方案這也是遠洋合作的首發那未來是不是還會有類似具體的方案跟其他部會的合作有 其實我三任以來我覺得我們部會跟部會之間有很多合作譬如說我們每推出一個計畫都是跟不同單位合作譬如我們推出一個歐洲台灣文化年就需要外交部幫忙"},{"start":7467.197,"end":7486.807,"text":"由我們來主導這個活動但是外交部在各個國家都有一些場館幫我們來做百大文化基地必須要跟農業部還有觀光署等等等等所以本身我們跨部也有規就是自己有規劃這樣跟跨部會的是我們很多活動幾乎都不是單獨在做"},{"start":7487.627,"end":7505.054,"text":"其實也有民眾建議說文化部是不是可以透過跟博物館串聯與運動部一起辦比如說路跑或是參觀集點的這些活動讓我們文化部跟運動結合也希望說像這樣的民眾的這樣的建議我們其實可以參考看看"},{"start":7506.314,"end":7530.963,"text":"那第二個部分呢就是剛才部長您說的文化部跟外交部合作的這個歐洲台灣文化年那外交部林佳龍部長說2026年還會延續那未來呢我們文化部這邊如何持續跟外交部合作我們要如何讓歐洲台灣文化年成為一個品牌能夠讓我們台灣的外交實力在國際間可以遍地開花部長您的看法"},{"start":7532.683,"end":7551.321,"text":"這點委員問得很好就是我們這幾年文化部在歐洲幾個據點我們派出去的同仁都非常努力在短短的幾年內我們幾乎爭取到每一次的活動裡面都有以台灣為主題或以主題國這樣一個名稱所以我們的能量非常大所以外交部長就來找我們說"},{"start":7552.762,"end":7569.592,"text":"可不可以一起來辦這個那這次蠻成功的當然包括故宮博物院剛好那個國寶要出國這樣我們就把它連在一起那這次活動非常成功就是因為累積了過去的能量然後我有個最大的發現就是歐洲對台灣的"},{"start":7571.25,"end":7592.937,"text":"興趣還有尊重像我們沿路會遇到一些打壓可是都非常順利解決就是因為法國也好捷克也好他非常懂得怎麼尊重我們台灣的文化所以這點蠻值得繼續做這個真的也非常感謝文化部長久以來的努力打下了這些跟歐洲許多國家他們合作的基礎"},{"start":7593.817,"end":7614.813,"text":"那在這邊我就要問到了吳浩波今年的預算呢這個國外旅費的部分在野檔刪了六成這也導致吳浩波許多業務停擺那其中吳浩波你們自己本身就取消了蠻多個國家出訪交流的計畫因為你們要把這些有效的這些預算呢"},{"start":7615.413,"end":7631.2,"text":"集中到你們這一次像到捷克到歐洲的這一趟我知道你們刪掉了取消了有像美國及加拿大地區駐外文化交流的這個勢導業務還有文化經貿政策的研究國際交流以及印太地區"},{"start":7632.22,"end":7646.837,"text":"文化的這個訪視交流計畫還有東南亞地區的駐外文化交流業務這個你們都取消了因為礙於經費的關係所以你們必須要把這些預算都留到我們部長這次到歐洲到法國去"},{"start":7647.358,"end":7662.764,"text":"那像剛才您提到的我們到法國的時候雖然中途有出現中國抗議的這樣子的事情但是法國代表不為所動還是跟我們續約了我們有簽到5年的這個續約這個我們歷史已經有30年之久的台法文化獎"},{"start":7664.125,"end":7685.641,"text":"所以說部長林也說了是法國選擇了我們所以顯見在國際文化的交流上出訪到各個國家跟其他國家的代表正面對面對面的交流是有很重大的意義是非常重要的那對於各國的這個國際關係也是有非常正面的這個促進這是很正面的效果"},{"start":7686.161,"end":7709.829,"text":"所以部長您是不是也覺得親自出訪對於推動文化交流是很必要的那是一個重視跟誠意是 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8月21號以後還沒送就是你還是確定不理文化部的懷疑還是會送文化部只能依法核定文化部依法核定之後你們什麼時候開始投資3000萬目前還沒有"},{"start":8221.726,"end":8244.999,"text":"還沒有這個動作還沒有這個動作那大概什麼時候要有這個動作我們目前也是希望新的董事會成立以後再做進行新的董事會成立之後再來投資是不是對 再經由審議程序來好 謝謝部長 部長部長 文化部說確定不理你要再送 到時候你再看怎麼回好 那再來我們再來看一下"},{"start":8246.195,"end":8269.434,"text":"再問一下也是台灣Plus的事情因為上一次很多棒球迷心碎了因為本來台灣Plus在國慶的時候推出一個原創紀錄片它是在敘述台灣怎麼樣奪下世界棒球12強首冠傳奇故事其實應該是還蠻不錯 蠻好看的感動人心可是上架沒多久就下架我們私下了解這個紀錄片是花了一百多萬拍的"},{"start":8270.287,"end":8279.366,"text":"然後應該是昨天去看他現在依然沒有上架等於是這100多萬就丟在水裡了請問部長你知道這個事嗎"},{"start":8281.431,"end":8308.372,"text":"我不太清楚你不清楚 這新聞鬧很大在網路上也討論很熱烈還是請Tamara執行長說明一下請他自己解釋等一下再請那個部長這個您也是要監督一下先聽他怎麼講報告委員 這個事情是這樣因為我們委託了個廠商他是向中華棒球協會取得畫面畫面當中有部分的版權需要再取得愛爾達的授權這個在授權過程當中我們發現有點瑕疵所以請他暫時下架"},{"start":8308.812,"end":8321.449,"text":"那另外再調整過後過一陣子我們會再說過一陣子要多久因為已經很久了我們現在審我們這個製作完以後我們會請外部專家再審片再檢查一遍以後才會大概近期那你們內部會有什麼機制嗎因為這個事情蠻扯的第一個你浪費納稅人錢"},{"start":8324.172,"end":8341.303,"text":"第二個你算是有國家資源投入的一個媒體居然有侵權行為這個事先的管控都沒有做到這個我們在合約中有採明乙方要負責沒有啦 推給乙方那甲方都沒責任那甲方你們好好做喔以後出事都乙方做事對不對"},{"start":8341.823,"end":8362.69,"text":"不會 我們內部會再重新檢討對 所以你這個機制有問題嘛那你們有做出什麼檢討嗎這種事情棒球迷很生氣耶這要看的時候怎麼會因為他們PLUS的問題因為侵權因為侵權這種理由然後下架 到現在還沒上片這個一定要有一個檢討啦要給棒球迷一個交代啦"},{"start":8363.921,"end":8379.498,"text":"對 不能說那廠商問題跟我無關我覺得這種態度國人不能接受我們會檢討然後修好以後再重新上架那大概什麼時候給大家一個 不能無止盡量下去希望在12月之前重新上架12月之前是好 謝謝然後再來 部長 跟請教中央社也是文化部補助的嘛"},{"start":8380.422,"end":8405.178,"text":"中央社最近也有一個話題就是時代雜誌有一個華府的智庫亞洲計畫中心主任叫高德斯坦他在時代雜誌上面有一篇文章講到賴清德總統是魯莽的領導人大概是這樣這個背景你應該曉得然後結果中央社的報導因為他報導說高德斯坦"},{"start":8406.779,"end":8418.696,"text":"這篇文章他沒有講說是高德斯坦的文章他直接說時代雜誌報導所以中央社很生氣就說要懲處我們來看一下中央社的一個聲明"},{"start":8419.741,"end":8437.562,"text":"我們來看中央社的聲明它說本社10月24號報導美國時代雜誌刊登文章指賴總統是魯莽領導人本社並未亦寫時代雜誌文章它簡單講這個意思是這樣它說中央社說不能怪我因為我們不是直接去寫說"},{"start":8440.33,"end":8451.898,"text":"這個是時代雜誌的文章我們是轉述外交部的新聞稿而外交部的新聞稿講說是時代雜誌的文章所以 不是我們直接講的是我們轉述外交部的聲明稿"},{"start":8452.796,"end":8475.116,"text":"但是中央社覺得這個報導處理不當要對記者編輯督導主管進行懲處請問一下現在懲處什麼是怎樣懲處很感謝委員問這個問題因為我想說外界時常是講的沒有完全完整據我知道處理的蠻完整是不是請胡社長跟您報告就是現在是給他們寄過還是怎麼樣怎麼懲處"},{"start":8477.844,"end":8503.851,"text":"好 謝謝委員關心外界報導很多其實事實上我們到現在為止並沒有還沒有進行到懲處我們必須講這件事情各界的意見正反兩面差異非常大而且非常非常的龐大超過我們可以我可以感覺到這個事情所反映是台灣社會的政治立場的多元性但我很希望這個事情能夠回歸到新聞本業專業的"},{"start":8505.791,"end":8532.397,"text":"的呈現我們用新聞專業來看因為中央社一向發新聞都很謹慎我們很少發出因為錯誤而發出校正公電那就代表說我們要對海內外100多家的媒體進行這篇文章的修正過去都會相當的懲處回歸到新聞本質但因為這個案子很特殊是來自於市長可不可以長話短說好不好"},{"start":8533.337,"end":8559.017,"text":"因為我們時間有限詢問機構有錯在先但我們作為新聞媒體呢還是要負責把關我們是略有把關不力跟查證不足我知道 我們很慎重所以我們到昨天自律委員會請了四位外聘委員來解說這個新聞原理我希望能回到新聞原理那委員我們內部都有共識就是教育這個事情是一個在職教育因為這case很特殊不好意思 這兩"},{"start":8560.199,"end":8576.881,"text":"我覺得大家 我問得很明確啦因為你說將 將懲處嘛那現在是還沒懲處嘛還在研究要怎麼懲處中嘛不是 昨天下午是新聞自律委員會開過會議我們就直接講 因為這個你要講可能你可以講一小時我怕主席隨時會站起來"},{"start":8578.201,"end":8603.008,"text":"就是你現在還沒懲處嘛還沒有嘛但是你們會懲處嘛只是過程你要研究嘛因為爭議很大大概是這樣長話短說是這樣沒錯嘛還沒懲處啦好 謝謝我有再一分鐘因為他們講比較久就是我覺得這個懲處真的很奇怪啊我真的覺得非常奇怪啊第一個外交你們說你們是引述外交部的聲明外交部自己都沒懲處了"},{"start":8604.864,"end":8628.466,"text":"外交部都沒懲處如果外交部應該更氣啊因為你們怎麼你們發稿的人怎麼害中央社引述錯誤害人家懲處外交部要先懲處外交部都沒懲處中央社說要先懲處我覺得這個很奇怪非常非常非常奇怪這個我不知道為什麼這樣子啊那麼害怕只是因為報導了賴總統是魯莽的領導人中央社就嚇成這樣然後第二"},{"start":8629.608,"end":8645.083,"text":"你說那個高德斯坦我們回到剛剛高德斯坦的那篇文章他是投書嗎這也不是投書好不好他是一個時代雜誌的邀稿邀稿跟投書一樣嗎社長您也是媒體人一樣嗎"},{"start":8647.213,"end":8670.3,"text":"這完全不一樣的狀況這個是時代雜誌要寫一篇報導然後邀了一個學者跟他的觀點一樣的文章投書感覺好像民意論壇 不是嘛那個時候我看到很多民進黨的人在洗地就是說這個只是投書不能代表時代雜誌的立場如果我今天投書自由時報去罵賴清德他會採用嗎"},{"start":8672.436,"end":8694.032,"text":"不可能是嘛我覺得這個事情中央社自己不用那麼怕啦好像得罪賴總統就這麼害怕就懲處然後我覺得真的不用然後中央社我認為你們報導如果你要講到這個事情另外給你一個建議啦該寫的東西還是要寫啦你看喔前兩天那個應該是禮拜天的時候美國的戰爭部長戰爭部長弄一個貼文"},{"start":8699.755,"end":8724.889,"text":"他說他講了一個他跟川普通過電話然後說美中關係這個有史以來最好然後又講他跟董軍的電話如何如何如何其實媒體人一看就知道這個新聞點你又超過2分鐘30秒30秒那個點這個點就是在美中關係有史以來最好結果我們看中央社的報導講了一大堆就是沒有提到美中關係從此如此好"},{"start":8725.689,"end":8753.53,"text":"就故意審閱這句好像報導人家講說美中關係好這件事情又怕會得罪會不會影響到抗中保台路線啊是不是又會得罪今上中央社我覺得真的不用如果說真的是一個國家通訊社就要中立啦要中立什麼樣的立場都要報導希望中央社可以做到啦謝謝委員指導好不好 部長有沒有部長兩句話評論一下部長 部長中央社也是你補助的"},{"start":8756.178,"end":8774.836,"text":"我不知道該講什麼我覺得大家誤會好像蠻深的其實台灣從過去的威權走到民主國家不能再走回威權不過沒有我就是要講這個譬如說委員對我們的質詢我覺得都很有道理講得也非常好其實我們沒有"},{"start":8775.797,"end":8799.07,"text":"已經走到民主國家就不可能回頭嘛所以大家一直懷疑中央社也好公管集團也好其實至少我來這邊已經快一年多我從來沒有干預過這就是一個進步嘛一個進步國家就是你已經爭取到言論自由你已經爭取到民主制度你就不會再回頭這一點我覺得大家在媒體上講講講講講後來好像真的又回頭"},{"start":8799.85,"end":8812.957,"text":"這不可能的部長我很肯定你但我們講話都有憑有據我跟立場一樣好不容易抓到民主不要再回頭媒體也不要幫執政黨擦脂抹粉謝謝謝謝葉遠之委員質詢部長請回座接下來我們請顧逸勤委員質詢我們在劉書斌委員質詢之後休息五分鐘"},{"start":8830.782,"end":8850.476,"text":"好 謝謝主席有請部長清理部長郭委員你好是 部長我們先來看一下就是有一個臉書那部長認識這位高明誠嗎"},{"start":8853.195,"end":8866.512,"text":"我聽過 聽過但是我不知道是誰他是我們這一次的金鐘金鐘得主同時是聽海詠的最佳剪輯得獎者我想他是一個非常資深的剪輯師"},{"start":8867.974,"end":8883.748,"text":"她昨天在她自己的臉書上面特別PO文她說拍了這麼多的藝術電影 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部長好喔那我今天要針對的是10月底它中央攝影術外交部回應的新聞稿它物質的美國重量級的智庫這個亞洲新亞洲部門的主任Golstein在時代雜誌他所投書為報導然後對要跟記者跟相關人員進行懲處可是這個事實上我查證的結果"},{"start":9641.139,"end":9660.203,"text":"是這個Golstadt它所呈現的是在線上專欄那你知道Times的這個雜誌呢它本身就是一個重要的一個國際期刊它有這個影響力它就針對像亞洲事務的部分就會有它的一個重要的專欄的作家來去來撰寫這是本身就有的那特別是這一個"},{"start":9661.404,"end":9668.589,"text":"這個國際重量級智庫Difference Priorities這個Golstein本身就是亞洲部這個主任專欄是一個長期的這樣的一個結果出現的那現在呢出現了這樣的懲處結果我們現在剛才我也聽到胡社長你有提到說說目前昨天就開了這個新聞自立委員會嘛對不對那目前懲處結果沒有出來但是我今天要討論的重點在於說懲處的標準是什麼"},{"start":9689.045,"end":9704.48,"text":"我們看看中央社的這個採訪通訊講審辦法當中他對於新聞的採訪的遺漏或發生錯誤或是缺乏實效性而影響本社社域的時候有規定有三種的方式就是"},{"start":9705.34,"end":9710.885,"text":"輕重就是深屆既過跟既大過這樣的狀況那我們現在不只是根據這樣子剛才因為這個新聞喔Golstein這樣的新聞說戴興德總統他本身是一個美國呢要注意到戴興德總統是一個魯莽的一個領導人"},{"start":9721.093,"end":9745.712,"text":"那我們現在看看其他的中央社其他的報導當中呢我們看到的是在陳培哲中央研究院院士跟75位學者他在今年的3月份就是你們引述他的一個聲明稿裡面提到了台灣言論自由被壓縮戒嚴時代呢思想審查又再度降臨了你們把戒嚴兩個字呢把它拿掉然後又改了回來"},{"start":9746.873,"end":9758.72,"text":"這是不是就是遺漏呢 甚至發生錯誤而且根本就是篡改人家的聲明那結果你們有懲處相關人士嗎那你們有發生更正聲明嗎請胡社長回覆今年3月發生的事情答案是沒有齁 我看到的資料是沒有齁好 胡社長你的時間要不要暫停一下你的答覆呢好 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如果說也不是太嚴重的它進行受害可能是口頭深解這個也是不會公告的所以您剛剛所說的沒有懲處是指其實我們這個內部的中心他們一定都會進行出錯的時候會做檢討所以這個也在我們的範疇所以我在想這個社會當中現在引起了一些confuse或者誤會是來自於這裡我們的懲處有些懲處是沒有明文公告的"},{"start":9856.3,"end":9880.285,"text":"好那沒問題這部分因為我等一下本席到最後的時候會要求你就是這部分的相關懲處尤其是在您一年上任以來所發生的這些情形因為在一年來就已經發生現在為止就已經有三件的事情了我們繼續也再看到這個事情呢就在於說是懲處標準在哪裡我們這邊今天我只是選的重點在懲處標準在哪裡因為這件事情涉及到的是賴清德總統我們從"},{"start":9881.445,"end":9905.271,"text":"我們從FTNN就是通燦傳媒的這個新聞當中他提到的是說是因為有人在關注特別是在跟應該是在跟高層裡面那高層裡面最多的可能就是您這部分我就想著說這部分請你們一定要做因為這邊已經很清楚了有這樣的情況下請問是你們在這過程當中你們25號或是24號當天的部分你們怎麼樣的處理還原一下"},{"start":9907.386,"end":9929.466,"text":"您是說這邊報導嗎我想委員這個所謂的不論是他是投書或者是專欄事實上都是一種opinion就是不等於報導他就是不一樣我們當然是前面外交部有一些問題但我們確實在技術上是查證"},{"start":9930.347,"end":9937.071,"text":"不利 那麼把關的也不利好 我覺得你這樣子講得非常專業所以我就跟你講我希望你們要繼續避免這樣子的一個因為媒體有報導出來是因為有關人士 重要人士去反映出來的所以你們要避免這種政治干預的問題出現我希望你中央社作為國家通訊社絕對是要有一個國家通訊社裡面的獨立專業的情況"},{"start":9953.402,"end":9976.625,"text":"所以這部分因為剛才涉及到好幾件事情的這個有出現錯失的部分需要做一個因為沒有報告出來所以這部分是不是可以請中央社這邊到時候等一下大概在兩個禮拜之內做這個部分做一個報告出來給我們的教文委員會可以不過我要解釋這個其實各政黨對國家"},{"start":9978.166,"end":9993.705,"text":"各政黨之間的批評或國家元首或各部會的批評我們中央社您可以看到出來我們都有登的但是我們中央社作為國家通訊社任何涉及台灣的國格尊嚴以及我們的國家元首重要的元首領袖我們的盡量保護"},{"start":9995.427,"end":10024.947,"text":"無論這位元首是任何的政黨我覺得這個中央社應該在這一方面更比其他媒體更加謹言慎行所以這部分但是你們要避免所謂的政治干預因為媒體已經有報導是這樣的情況就請你把你們專業呈現出來所以你剛才說了兩個禮拜可以嘛把這個報告給交給委員會好 謝謝您謝謝我們繼續往下看棒瓜董監事的提名上面然後想要這樣問一下這個部長因為我剛才也聽到幾位委員有提到的是這部分是目前好像只差一位對不對"},{"start":10025.968,"end":10043.546,"text":"目前差一位那你們事實上有沒有考慮過這一位讓你們考慮多久了應該有蠻多時間因為已經到相近延宕了11個月嘛對不對我在想說是不是你也卡取到當初小英總統的部分在考試委員的一個提名方式向各政黨徵選民選"},{"start":10044.807,"end":10062.29,"text":"各政黨的就是立法院的政黨提政選民選人選然後包括或是像這次的在中選會上面的像各政黨即使是一位就是至少多人才的部分提出來這樣的方式來去提名公共電視的人選讓送給行政院有沒有這種可能性"},{"start":10065.031,"end":10084.662,"text":"公共電視的董監事的審查委員按照那個立法院的政黨比例選出所以他本身這個就已經有立法院的政黨比例那可是公共電視的董監事按照法令是由行政院提出對的對但是現在如果要用各政黨來提名"},{"start":10085.202,"end":10111.679,"text":"喔沒有 我是說公開徵求人才因為你剛才說的是這邊徵選人很不願意嘛甚至因為這個過去有被延宕了三百多天對不對 這個我都聽到了是不是這一部分採取我剛才所說的考試委員的總統提名的模式包括現在的行政院長在徵求中選會的這個模式昨天的新聞都已經出來了是不是可以考慮這個模式來去進行這樣各政黨來提名就是建議推薦人選那你們再去再做提名一會上去"},{"start":10113.141,"end":10119.253,"text":"這個在過去好像沒有這樣做過因為過去都沒有 但是問題是事實上就解決問題這是一個方法 要考慮嗎"},{"start":10121.038,"end":10146.87,"text":"我回去想一想好 你繼續想一想好 這部分請昭緯再給我一分鐘時間這部分我們繼續往下看的是一個文化幣的問題在文化幣的問題上面它涉及到的是青年的文化參與這部分我們看到文化幣的發展的一個發放的初衷應該就是一個看到的是有個因為看到是像領取率 領取使用率一個短期的消費數據可是我們比較因為文化幣發放的話應該是一個長期叫養成"},{"start":10151.153,"end":10160.664,"text":"尤其是青年人因為這個發放到22歲嘛但是期待的是說對青年人他們到22歲的時候也是有後面的這樣子繼續對文化活動的支持嘛對不對"},{"start":10162.847,"end":10184.669,"text":"那現在重點是有沒有一個長期追蹤機制跟長期觀察機制因為看到的情況是現在這些文化幣的使用上面都是在書店跟出版的這個業界這部分而且被立法院的預算中心被已經就連續兩年在這部分做一個說要做修正因為太過於集中那有沒有什麼改善措施跟成效呢"},{"start":10187.128,"end":10207.23,"text":"太過於集中這件事情我們好像沒辦法去規定他要去做什麼比如說他會隨著比如說大家看電影隨著電影比較景氣的時候他曾經排到第二名第三名隨著電影不景氣他又跌到第六七名那我們如果限制別人說出版太多書店太多這個"},{"start":10208.591,"end":10224.461,"text":"這個對出版界來講他絕對是會抗議的因為他在使用文化幣的時候但是部長我知道可是這個比例差距太多了最高的也沒超過20%這電影的部分是跟這個差距而且最後看到是他變成在教科書的補助款所以本席建議"},{"start":10225.582,"end":10242.494,"text":"這部分一定是要把這個文化的參與跟教育性的參與絕對是要做一個比較那這部分我是不是可以請教甚至在為台灣的部分大阪市博你也說有不變的1億元要回到台灣來這就是展演的部分那這邊展演的部分是不是也可以跟文化幣做一下結合這點沒有問題因為我們的所有展演文化幣都可以使用"},{"start":10248.834,"end":10264.406,"text":"好 那就是這樣非常好那這部分回關於長期的這樣的評估機制是不是可以半年做一個報告出來就是說要過一個長期不然這個短期的效果雖然才實習兩年多而已是不是有計畫在這邊在半年之內提出一個評估報告包括它的成效報告這部分處理"},{"start":10265.346,"end":10290.151,"text":"這個沒問題 因為我們其實我們每兩個月都會報告一次而且那個data非常細都會上網嗎都會上網公告嗎公告沒有對外公告可是我們對內清清楚楚那公告的程度到什麼程度我想我們回來再討論一下但是要寫一個報告這個絕對不是問題因為蠻仔細的那最後一個問題文化會議的部分我就想用書面報告好不好文化會議的這個方式好 謝謝"},{"start":10292.938,"end":10294.184,"text":"謝謝抄偉謝謝書編抄偉質詢部長請回座我們休息五分鐘"},{"start":10311.551,"end":10334.686,"text":"這裏有個大廈,這裏有個廟宇這裏有個大廈,這裏有個大廈"},{"start":10342.115,"end":10343.757,"text":"蜂蜜"},{"start":10349.923,"end":10369.987,"text":"這裏有個小小的小小的小小。這裏有個小小的小小。"},{"start":10373.683,"end":10374.223,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":10419.627,"end":10420.108,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":10426.032,"end":10447.527,"text":"請不吝点赞 订阅 转发 打赏支持明镜与点点栏目"},{"start":10452.288,"end":10453.29,"text":"谢谢观看"},{"start":10457.79,"end":10468.453,"text":"谢谢大家"},{"start":10490.264,"end":10490.685,"text":"嗯嗯"},{"start":10520.715,"end":10521.175,"text":"請按讚、訂閱、分享!"},{"start":10531.638,"end":10531.898,"text":"嗯嗯"},{"start":10553.974,"end":10554.495,"text":"谢谢观看"},{"start":10607.613,"end":10611.275,"text":"我們開始開會 接下來請林楚英委員質詢"},{"start":10622.358,"end":10623.62,"text":"謝謝主席 主席有請李部長請李部長"},{"start":10630.563,"end":10656.795,"text":"林委員你好部長好首先對於這個文化部跟外交部合作所謂的歐洲文化年2025的這個部分歐洲台灣文化年的這個部分其實本身是予以肯定的因為我知道我們在這個今年度的預算當中文化部跟外交部其實同樣在宣傳預算上面都被在野黨可以說是狠狠地砍下了很多的這個"},{"start":10657.495,"end":10681.82,"text":"肉啦那麼剛剛我們的招委就是陳秀寶招委在質詢的時候也特別提到了就是希望能夠守護我們現在在這個歐洲宣傳的部分因為本席在上一屆擔任立法委員的時候就曾經說過我們的文化要輸出韓國就是一個非常好的一個榜樣走在前面但是本席其實現在要來特別詢問的就是說"},{"start":10682.64,"end":10710.964,"text":"我知道我們今年剛好九月的時候本席帶團到法國跟歐洲去訪問的時候剛好部長也出席了就是我們的這個台法文化獎的頒獎典禮那麼在這個頒獎典禮的背後事實上中國的阻力不斷那麼我剛剛是為了解了一下就是我們在文化交流今年編的預算其實也只有1500萬是嗎那去年是完全被刪除的部長是不是這樣"},{"start":10712.13,"end":10712.594,"text":"是好"},{"start":10714.119,"end":10740.789,"text":"其實我要講到的是中國的文化的干擾跟干預包括我們的翠玉白菜在捷克展出的時候其實也同樣受到了恐攻也就是中國的威脅所以部長其實本席非常的肯定就是這一次透過2025歐洲台灣文化年那麼文化部故宮再加上外交部所派駐的管處大家通力合作辦了70場26國讓"},{"start":10743.49,"end":10768.441,"text":"台灣的文化可以被看見但是我們知道在這些表演團隊當中有些當然已經享譽國際盛名比如像幽人神鼓比如說像足中慶打擊樂團等等但是我們也有許多是一些比較小的小團而這些小團需要的恐怕就是一種協助的宣傳的費用那麼在這個"},{"start":10770.042,"end":10788.007,"text":"僅有的資源底下尤其現在又面臨預算會期部長怎麼樣來協助我們的藝文團體有機會讓他們到國外去做展現因為台灣的文化跟中國的文化兩個是完全不一樣的而文化外交其實是我們非常重要的部分部長"},{"start":10789.517,"end":10809.305,"text":"好 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台灣Q不是從台灣來的嘛你不讓人聽到這個台灣Q的演繹說這樣播報不行那台灣的文化怎麼有可能在各種面向來出現跟發生呢這是本席最主要的一個很重視的一個重點"},{"start":13097.395,"end":13124.803,"text":"所以這個部分是不是請部長你們應該在本席所講的KPI跟外部的審議機制要來保障多元的一個監督那您的看法如何這個部分本席要比較具體的一個回應這個您剛剛講的問題我覺得蠻重要就是我們但是我們在陸續改這個問題我們有了解到我們陸續在改進中包括有幾個主播是台灣台灣籍的將來有一天就會有台灣英語這樣子"},{"start":13127.26,"end":13147.267,"text":"好 謝謝部長啦這個本席真的深有同感那過去在美國念書的時候那很多比如說有台灣口音的人其實外國人都非常的欣賞所以不要我們不是英語的正英班所以透過這個平台讓大家真正了解台灣的多元好不好好 謝謝謝謝林倩琪委員質詢部長請回座"},{"start":13151.67,"end":13159.29,"text":"接下来请赖会员委员咨询是谢谢主席有请那个部长经理院部长"},{"start":13163.687,"end":13182.254,"text":"賴委員你好是 部長非常感謝10月29號你親自到我們的北門成家古厝那你也來到了我們的南昆深 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部長請回座接下來請楊瓊英委員質詢楊瓊英 楊瓊英委員不在接下來請麥玉珍委員質詢主席好 有請文化部部長請林院部長麥委員好"},{"start":13817.601,"end":13835.097,"text":"部長好我要請教一下我國新住民族群因為大家都要爭取族群的福利已經不是台灣四大族群之一了在文化部推廣文化平權的業務的目標包含了"},{"start":13840.422,"end":13867.262,"text":"肯認多元族群之一的文化差異使台灣各族群能相互相認識並了解彼此之差異進而接納與欣賞不同文化所有的具有的差異但是避免各種形形歧視與偏見請問我們文化部做了哪一些措施"},{"start":13868.747,"end":13895.717,"text":"其實行政院本身就有一個新住民事務協調會報然後我們平常我們的在文化部的一些補助上面會協力這個民間團體有關新住民的團體的一些補助更具體的說像我們台灣公益研究發展中心我們就補助了這個屏東縣球麻園城鄉文教基金會這個活動國立台灣文學館辦理"},{"start":13897.457,"end":13915.003,"text":"2025年故事聯合國專門邀請新住民的朋友來一起交流然後事實上我們的繪本我們的繪本在新竹昌和美學館專門針對新住民的朋友來創造這個新住民本身的繪本"},{"start":13915.603,"end":13944.249,"text":"另外我們本身有部長不好意思因為時間有限這個資料可以再提供給我我們在每個部門都有在事後再提供給我你講這些有一些我都有去參加也當評鑑委員所以我想要請教的這個部分因為這些媒體報導所使用的字眼網路上就是氾濫的留言這些內容是否符合文化平權"},{"start":13945.049,"end":13973.907,"text":"我想要问的是这个符合吗符合你推动的文化平权吗委员指的是哪一些语言你们有一个文化平权的推动方案就是你说他们的留言对就是网络那么泛滥的留言有符合你推动的文化平权吗当然不符合因为网络的语言基本上我们是无法控制的但是我觉得对于新住民的这个"},{"start":13974.727,"end":13995.974,"text":"一些不當的語言 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每年大約就編列300萬元左右的經費補助10多個團體和個人其中與新住民相關大約占五分之一左右從網路公開查到的效果評估表中補助新住民相關的人數"},{"start":14038.34,"end":14055.112,"text":"除了113年是線上結合線下有7萬多人以外其他就是參與人數都不多啦所以我們想問的是花錢補助是否有效因為你們要推廣這個文化平權"},{"start":14063.703,"end":14093.043,"text":"所以我們部長回答不了是不是因為時間有限回答不了但是我們看到的就是有一位教授就是中山醫學大學的教授楊皓然教授有一篇登在我們的國科會文中指出目前台灣社會和政策提倡對於新住民認同與了解"},{"start":14094.124,"end":14107.939,"text":"但是通過介紹歷史文化這樣的就是只接觸留在表面而已所以缺少生活化真實互動的經驗所以難以相信"},{"start":14108.94,"end":14127.431,"text":"就是連結這樣子的感情所以提升民眾對新住民的認同效果真的有限所以我們社會還是缺雜就是同理心還有就是理解我們的不同的文化都把新住民當的外人過客所以我們才要"},{"start":14128.251,"end":14148.321,"text":"要請我們的部長你認同這樣子的楊教授的論點嗎因為我們看到你們的文化平權就是這樣子所以我們希望說文化平權的政策上要生活化互動的內容要思考如何去擴展更多人參加"},{"start":14150.442,"end":14179.69,"text":"所以部長可以做得到嗎在關於這個文化平權的推廣基本上我跟麥委員講其實台灣的新住民對台灣的貢獻很多而且台灣是一個多元文化的一個小島所以越多的文化進來我們跟文化的那個融合是對台灣文化越有幫助我個人參與過很多我們文化部的很多活動他們實際上在一些捷徑中全部都是新住民的活動這點剛剛跟"},{"start":14180.33,"end":14200.852,"text":"委員報告我們一點都沒有忽略好謝謝我們部長但是我們希望能一起及時管理台灣這個土地上就是我們是新住民不管先來後到我們都是不分你我也分內外我們希望一起合作但是因為之前"},{"start":14202.053,"end":14217.679,"text":"之前我剛來立法院我就問我們文化部我們之前有一個新住民社區營造的方案這個做得很好你們說會繼續但是到最後我還是沒有看到我今天看"},{"start":14218.619,"end":14235.773,"text":"整本你們報告裡面也跟新住民也沒有關係 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没问题好 谢谢部长谢谢主席谢谢吴丽华委员咨询部长请回座接下来请郑振前委员咨询郑振前 郑振前委员不在接下来请徐富奎委员咨询"},{"start":14874.547,"end":14875.65,"text":"謝謝主席 有請我們李部長請李部長"},{"start":14883.1,"end":14909.344,"text":"委員好部長好部長我想這個今年的這個預算審查文化部算是重災區這個預算被閃了6.2億追加的2.8億也被全數刪掉這個不單只是影響到這個國立台灣美術館創意中心這些國家產管的基本維護費未來對於這個產業支持國際文化交流甚至重要的文化藝術推動方面也會受到影響"},{"start":14909.904,"end":14930.898,"text":"我想包含我們各縣市政府還有許多的藝文團體大家都憂心從中部長針對這樣一個困境文化部有沒有做什麼樣的一個因應跟調整我想我們今年變成預算我想我們會盡量去努力的去溝通因為這個部分就是在立法院我們能做就是我們盡量的去跟立法委員溝通我們需要這個錢"},{"start":14932.865,"end":14941.674,"text":"部長我想不是只有這個公家機關受到影響我想因為有可能我們地方辦的一些義務活動場次減少這個我們鄉親參與的意願也減少我想這個我們都不樂見所以部長我想"},{"start":14948.28,"end":14962.763,"text":"未來我身為屏東的立委 我還是要替屏東講話我們自己這個拆劃法之後 屏東明年也少了40幾億那所以我們一些活動的補助 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