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楊局長你一定知道那裡整個對不對事實上交通部你們願意把這一條路打走出來他定義說我為中心路過我的車輛到那裏剛到紅燈或是剛到平交道落下的時候我就往右轉"},{"start":179.488,"end":188.732,"text":"往農會倉庫那個地方挖地皮然後挖地皮之後再到另外一側再挖進去所以等於它會讓車輛保持移動的狀態那這樣一個車輛的移動的狀態就不會產生回堵因為回堵是會造成那裡的交通一旦車輛車的時候會有安全性問題"},{"start":198.502,"end":226.153,"text":"委員講的旁邊應該就是台一線啊台一線跟平交道中間是有一個距離的因為台一線跟平交道距離過近過近才會產生回堵的安全性問題這件事情因為我們現在高價化的爭取還需要時間所以我們必須在這個兩年內利用交通的工程馬上解決安全性問題"},{"start":227.513,"end":236.297,"text":"就是我現在說的,我們如果有中心路進去,你跟那個鐵路邊路那條路,你先讓車輛可以通行我們不用做很大條的,你只要差不多有多少到六米路,兩台車輛我是不是要了解一下那個地,就是剛講那個全管的問題應該是到底是哪個地方政府還是我們這邊公務局可以來處理的,我再請幫你了解一下"},{"start":254.084,"end":270.88,"text":"局長有機會來了解 我覺得楊局長事實上腦袋是有概念以現在的空間 因為你來那麼多次了嘛所以這個是高加化問題 然後水上高加化我希望你們在高加化的時候 如果這個高加化是一個方向 事實上"},{"start":271.721,"end":287.214,"text":"你們要思考啦為什麼現在水上的格價化會變得很重要因為現在也要說這個車輛車輛多是讓你們能不能這個高價化甚至仿造台南的沙崙支線然後你在水上"},{"start":288.094,"end":300.047,"text":"以車站然後他就從水上的初K初K前面的水上基點那條然後把它高架就做一個支線為水上初K然後支線進去支線進去到168就到高鐵了"},{"start":303.411,"end":315.163,"text":"現在很多人在講一些概念 可是這樣最快我們爭取水深高架化 順便從水上 它就到水上車頭車頭對面就是車車 主要由車車到那條彎進去然後經過我們現在的空軍第四連隊那條路主要就拆進去 主要直接拆到高鐵站"},{"start":323.192,"end":352.572,"text":"那整個交通就會整個順暢起來那我是覺得說這件事情我們交通部整體的去評估那水上的高架化在過去的時候因為民雄先行水上說是第二期嘛那現在已經到了時機成熟我覺得次長整體的評估我還是強力的認為水上高架化勢在必行但是在高架化的這段空窗期我們要先解決那個交通安全問題"},{"start":353.594,"end":357.789,"text":"這部分我再請鐵道局這邊再整理做一個評估啦好 謝謝次長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-18T10:46:22.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:46:27.413000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我們有請交通部伍次長跟鐵道局楊局長。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-18T10:46:27.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:46:27.913000+08:00","text":"好，我們請伍次長跟楊局長。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"伍次長勝園","start":"2026-06-18T10:46:27.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:46:27.953000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-18T10:46:28.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:46:28.173000+08:00","text":"次長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-18T10:46:28.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:47:49.547000+08:00","text":"次長，我想你們對於整個水上的高架化這件事都很熟了啦，因為我們這個水上高架化事實上是討論很久了，現在高架化的部分縣政府正在規劃中，但是從整個規劃到爭取、到執行，我看要很久，也許要10年的時間才有可能做好啦，需要很久的時間，但是你們也知道，現在在水上車站前面的那一個交流道的車輛瓶頸，尤其是遇到紅綠燈的時候，也就是正好火車要通過的時候，那會整個塞在那裡，這一個問題要馬上解決啦，我覺得事實上就有一個措施，就是在水上平交道的旁邊就有一條路嘛，你如果把那條路拓寬，馬上就有辦法去解決車輛塞在那邊然後又因為離紅綠燈太近而造成回堵所產生的危險問題，站在鐵道局、交通部的立場，能不能直接解決啊？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-18T10:47:51.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:48:00.212000+08:00","text":"你應該知道我指的是哪個平交道，你們應該把鐵軌旁邊的那條路拓寬，現在就讓它可以通行嘛。","quality":0.59},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-06-18T10:48:01.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:48:02.653000+08:00","text":"委員，你說的是中興路平交道，對不對？","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-18T10:48:03.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:48:03.733000+08:00","text":"中興路平交道。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-06-18T10:48:04.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:48:07.275000+08:00","text":"我印象中對旁邊這條路我們應該是有跟縣政府做過討論。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-18T10:48:08.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:48:15.280000+08:00","text":"對，但是還沒有執行啊，我的意思是說，對這條路如果馬上去執行，馬上就可以解決當地的交通問題嘛。","quality":0.585},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-06-18T10:48:15.280000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:48:16.280000+08:00","text":"執行的部分……","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-18T10:48:15.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:48:36.537000+08:00","text":"至於高架化的部分現在縣政府正在做可行性評估，縱使未來爭取到預算，再到實際去做，那都需要時間，現在整個水上事實上也是在發展中，當它在發展中的時候，它的交通問題卻一直持續存在，那裡其實已經不是回堵，那裡甚至還有一些安全性的問題。","quality":0.748},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-06-18T10:48:37.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:48:45.681000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，剛剛講水上基地跟中興路平交道旁邊這條聯絡道，我印象中是有跟縣政府做過討論。","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-18T10:48:45.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:48:54.165000+08:00","text":"你指的是聯絡道，是車輛基地，我現在指的是水上車站往水上農會倉庫的這個方向。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-06-18T10:48:55.026000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:49:02.189000+08:00","text":"這條路可能涉及到底應該是由哪個單位來做處理的問題。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-18T10:49:02.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:49:05.302000+08:00","text":"沒關係，因為都是交通部啊，事實上都是交通部……","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-06-18T10:49:05.302000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:49:06.302000+08:00","text":"這一條可能是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-18T10:49:05.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:49:09.124000+08:00","text":"所以鐵道局楊局長你一定知道那裡整個……對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-18T10:49:09.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:49:29.732000+08:00","text":"事實上，只要交通部願意把這一條路做出來，等於說我從中興路經過的時候，當我的車輛開到那裡遇到紅燈或是遇到平交道柵欄放下來的時候，我就往右轉，往農會倉庫那一個地方轉進去，轉進去之後再到另外一側，再彎進去，等於它會讓車輛保持移動的狀態，當車輛保持移動的狀態都不會產生回堵，因為回堵是會造成那裡的交通狀況，一旦車輛過多的時候，會有安全性的問題。","quality":0.761},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-06-18T10:49:39.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:49:40.642000+08:00","text":"委員講的旁邊那應該是……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-18T10:49:40.642000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-18T10:49:41.642000+08:00","text":"農會倉庫。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-06-18T10:49:40.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:49:45.224000+08:00","text":"應該就是臺一線啊。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-18T10:49:46.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:50:15.236000+08:00","text":"不是，臺一線跟平交道中間是有一個距離的，因為臺一線跟平交道的距離過近，過近才會產生回堵的安全性問題，這件事情因為我們現在高架化的爭取還需要時間，所以我們必須在2年內利用交通的工程馬上解決安全性問題，就是我現在說的，我們如果從中興路進去，鐵路旁邊的那條路你讓車輛可以通行，我們也不用做很寬的，只要差不多有6米，2台車的寬度。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"伍次長勝園","start":"2026-06-18T10:50:15.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:50:17.036000+08:00","text":"我來了解一下剛剛講的權管問題，看應該是哪個地方政府還是我們公路局可以來處理。好啊！","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-18T10:50:17.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:50:38.387000+08:00","text":"我是覺得局長有機會來了解，我覺得楊局長事實上腦袋是有概念啦！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-18T10:50:39.688000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-18T10:50:44.373000+08:00","text":"對那邊的空間……因為你來那麼多次了，所以這個是高架化問題。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start"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