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我們教學品質才會好這我覺得很重要"},{"start":413.408,"end":430.654,"text":"當時的討論我不在立法院啦但是今天如果說有委員要提案修法的話我覺得過去經驗一定要參考因為我們教育政策本來就是這樣子都是滾動式檢討的齁那麼在馬英九總統任內的教育部呢這是2015年的時候當時在立法院第八屆第六會期的會議同樣是討論這個我們今天討論這個幼照法齁當時你們教育部怎麼說你們教育部說齁就之前發這個教育卷啊通通都發到業者口袋去了"},{"start":440.498,"end":461.778,"text":"他說在民國89年,也就是2000年的時候,樂教卷發多少,學費就漲了多少也受到了監察院各單位的質疑那署長我要跟你反映一下,因為我請你們教育部提供我資料這個20,這等於是20年前,20年前監察院有給你們這個調查,有給你們提出來過這個建議,那你們的報告呢"},{"start":462.864,"end":487.835,"text":"你們當時監察院提給你們建議的資料你們有沒有留存你們有沒有看過監察院只要給我們我們一定都會很認真的回應那會後下班前給委員好這個我希望你們要去把它找出來不管是當時監察院的意見或者是例如我們講市長當時的蔣委員過去立法院曾經有指出來的問題當我們如果要新政策上路之前過去的我們一定要來檢討"},{"start":489.696,"end":512.29,"text":"就是說到底有沒有私有大幅漲價的事情發生是這個比例業者比例漲價是幾成漲價的費用幅度來到多少各個縣市的狀況又是如何呢如果我說我們今天還要再去發錢而且錢是直接發到家長手中而不是像剛剛這個準公用這樣整體制度的設計的話一定要把之前有發生這樣子的亂象"},{"start":513.397,"end":525.026,"text":"這些數據我們要很明確我覺得我們才去討論新的政策這比較是負責任的態度否則假設我們新的政策上路結果造成家長反而他負擔沒有減輕結果學費都漲價那我不敢負責啊我們誰敢負責對不對因為我們真正的用意是說政府的資源要來幫助家長嘛"},{"start":532.031,"end":558.053,"text":"那所以呢就是我也要拜託這個教育部因為准公化制度上路之後因為真的複雜也受到很多的挑戰跟質疑有基地我請教育部要繼續去進行檢討第一個是說我們准公的要點要滾動檢討那很多民間都有反映相關的心聲例如說這個因應物價我們收費的調整機制可不可以更有彈性第三個呢在准公架構之下我們補助可不可以再提高也就是說現在家長每月要付三千"},{"start":558.433,"end":581.081,"text":"能不能讓家長負擔再減輕我覺得這都可以來討論所以我要拜託教育部、國教署還有跟民間還有地方政府我們再就這個制度過去實行的狀況再多加來討論好謝謝謝謝我的意見在下一期的時候我們都會把它納入最後因為剛剛前面耿如君委員在質詢的時候有提到台中市的校車性侵案"},{"start":582.472,"end":608.962,"text":"我贊同教育部這件事情你們真的要去審慎的來去面對跟應對這是我覺得非常的嚴重欸受害者9人年紀最小的15歲其中5個人感染到了然後呢我覺得最誇張的是這個案件竟然是中央的疾管署在疫調的時候才發現的台中市政府的教育局過去完全都沒有察覺嗎沒有通報過嗎"},{"start":612.697,"end":620.485,"text":"然後最早的案件是在2022年欸2022年到現在這四年是持續發生的嗎教育部你慢慢去了解啊台中市政府教育局有沒有給你們報告有沒有通報過我覺得太離譜在我看來這個事情是我們的校安的把關層層都失靈了"},{"start":634.107,"end":660.069,"text":"委員今天提這個我們分兩點我用10秒鐘跟您報告第一現在我們尊重疫調他現在要保護受害者所以他現在是秘密中那我們也很希望跟衛福部合作還是要給我們我們才能知道身份來做很多的防範的處理的設計那委員也追這可能海中市交易局跟您報告了"},{"start":662.05,"end":675.143,"text":"22的時候是不是就知道這個我們在疫調的這個如果他允許的資料我們會詳查那我希望衛福部如果資料給我們之後的七天內我們把這所有事情跟委員會做報告"},{"start":676.377,"end":704.008,"text":"按照我們現在法規有前科就不得擔任小車司機台中市政府有沒有負到資格查核的責任中間有沒有去做過稽查接送的這些管理有沒有再去執行第二個從2022年到現在中間有沒有過通報的記錄持續發生的案件都沒有察覺異狀我覺得太離譜了拜託教育部你們一定要去介入這個事情要審慎的來去面對台中之前教練性侵案"},{"start":704.728,"end":723.719,"text":"台中市政府連受害者多少人都搞不清楚狀況但是家長要如何放心好不好 拜託再一步請美嘉去解釋了解這個主題我們會一個一個詳查那只要這個具體的相關的身份給我們之後我們七天內一定回報委員會好 七天內請給委員會每一位委員報告謝謝委員謝謝委員吹噓 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的則是職場互助的教保中心，這些都投入資源，對此我也非常支持。過去準公幼就是邀請私幼加入公共化的體系，臺北市其實做得相當好，過去尤其是在柯文哲市長任內，因為當時我也在市議會，我們議會都支持。柯市長卸任之前做了一份報告，就是在他任內八年臺北市的公共化幼兒園，尤其是準公幼，整個加起來從四成來到了七成，成績很好，然後也有百家私幼加入準公幼，看到這個成績，我真的是要給柯市長肯定，後來的蔣市長也繼續延續這樣子的政策。","今天我看到很多委員提案，就是在問：奇怪！政府既然要補助，這些錢為什麼不直接發給家長？為什麼要搞一個準公幼這麼複雜？確實我在當議員的時候，因為當時這個制度剛上路，很多園所或家長搞不太清楚規定，提出很多相關的疑問來詢問，確實當時大家有這樣子的擔憂。我看了一下，我們過去所有的幼教政策經歷了不同年代、不同階段，因為有些問題我們有檢討，所以有一些演變，首先我要問的是，以現在的少子化對策以及準公共化幼兒園而言，過去從2000年開始是不是曾經發放幼兒教育券？甚至還有5歲免學費等等幼教政策？署長，你有沒有印象？"],["彭署長富源：是的，那時候我在地方擔任局長，所以委員講的是。"],["吳委員沛憶：2000年的時候是發幼兒教育券，就是針對5歲以下念私幼的，政府每年補助1萬元的教育券。2010年發布5歲幼兒免學費，就是說如果你是念公立幼兒園免費，如果你念私幼的話，政府就補助一學期1萬5,000元，這些政策當時是透過修法、立法，還是用行政命令頒布政策的方式來施行？署長，你知道嗎？"],["彭署長富源：是的，委員講的大概都有爬梳過……"],["吳委員沛憶：我是說當時在施行這些幼教補助政策的時候，我們有修法嗎？"],["彭署長富源：沒有，是用計畫的方式來進行，按照事實的情形發展、按照家長的需求，用比較計畫的方式很快的因應。"],["吳委員沛憶：所以我覺得第一個要釐清的是，幼教的補助政策其實不用修法，這個用行政命令就可以處理了。第二個，當然立法院的職責是監督，這個過去也有過討論，我們來看一下當時立法院的討論，影片播放一下。","（播放影片）"],["吳委員沛憶：這是現在的蔣萬安市長，也就是當時的蔣萬安委員在立法院教文及衛環聯席委員會的質詢紀錄，我想請教署長，當時蔣委員說政府發多少，結果私幼就漲多少，究竟當時有沒有這樣子的現象？有發生過這樣的問題嗎？"],["彭署長富源：在發幼教券的時候的確有這個疑慮，因此委員可以看到相關的法制上有設計，當政府有補助的時候，是要進行收費審查的，因為有這樣的疑慮，所以法制上有這樣的設計。"],["吳委員沛憶：後來我們為什麼設計準公幼的制度呢？"],["彭署長富源：這樣的制度就是直接由政府來協助，我們就價格或是相關的六項合作機制找到了適當的財源之後，家長這一邊只要去控制他繳多少就好，讓原來怕漲多少且沒有用在幼兒教育上的這件事可以得到控制，所以有處理到補助的部分不會變成有變相的疑慮，因此用準公共這樣的機制去克服以前的一些困難，讓相關的補助比較可以真正協助家長減輕負擔，只讓家長負擔多少就好。"],["吳委員沛憶：準公幼現在家長就是每一個月付3,000，第二胎則是2,000，我覺得很重要的是，第一個我們要控管他的收費，有設一個天花板……"],["彭署長富源：就是合作的機制上有控管。"],["吳委員沛憶：第二點，很重要的是我們要求要保障教保員的薪資，因為教保員的福利好、環境好，那麼教學品質才會好，所以我覺得很重要。雖然當初討論時我不在立法院，但是今天如果有委員要提案修法的話，我覺得過去的經驗一定要參考，教育政策本來就是這樣子，都是滾動式檢討的。2015年在馬英九總統任內的教育部，當時在立法院第8屆第2會期的會議，同樣是討論我們今天所討論的幼教法，當時教育部是怎麼說的？教育部說之前發教育券，通通都發到業者口袋去了，在民國89年（西元2000年）的時候，幼教券發多少，學費就漲多少，也受到監察院各單位的質疑。署長我要跟你反映一下，因為我有請教育部提供資料給我，20年前監察院有對你們提出建議，那你們的報告呢？當時監察院提給你們建議的資料，你們有沒有留存？你們有沒有看過？"],["彭署長富源：監察院只要給我們，我們一定都會很認真的回應，會後下班前送給委員。"],["吳委員沛憶：我希望你們把它找出來，不管是當時監察院的意見或者是蔣市長（當時的蔣委員）過去在立法院曾經指出來的問題，在新政策上路之前，過去的一定要檢討，就是說到底有沒有私幼大幅漲價的事情發生？業者漲價的比例是幾成？漲價的費用幅度來到多少？各個縣市的狀況又是如何呢？如果今天還要再去發錢，而且錢是直接發到家長手中，而不是像準公幼這種整體制度設計的話，一定要把之前有發生的亂象……這些數據要很明確，我覺得我們才能去討論新的政策，這比較是負責任的態度，否則假設我們新的政策上路，反而造成家長負擔沒有減輕，結果學費都漲價，那我不敢負責啊！我們誰敢負責，對不對？因為我們真正的用意是政府的資源要來幫助家長。","我也要拜託教育部，因為準公共化制度上路之後，真的是複雜，也受到很多的挑戰跟質疑，有幾點我請教育部要繼續進行檢討，第一個是準公共化的要點要滾動檢討，很多民間都有反映相關的新增狀況，例如因應物價，我們收費的調整機制可不可以更有彈性；第二個，在準公共化的架構之下，我們補助可不可以再提高，也就是現在家長每個月要付三千，能不能讓家長負擔再減輕？我覺得這都可以來討論，所以我要拜託教育部國教署跟民間還有地方政府，我們就這個制度過去實行的狀況再多加來討論，謝謝署長。"],["彭署長富源：謝謝委員的意見，在下一期的時候，我們都會把它納入。"],["吳委員沛憶：最後，前面葛如鈞委員剛剛在質詢有提到臺中市的校車性侵案，我贊同教育部這件事情真的要審慎地面對跟應對，這件事情我覺得非常地嚴重，受害者9人，年紀最小的15歲，其中有個人感染到了，而我覺得最誇張的是，這個案件竟然是中央疾管署在疫調的時候才發現的，臺中市政府教育局過去完全都沒有察覺嗎？沒有通報過嗎？最早的案件是在2022年，從2022年到現在，這四年是持續發生的嗎？教育部有沒有去了解啊？臺中市政府教育局有沒有給你們報告？"],["彭署長富源：謝謝委員，因為委員……"],["吳委員沛憶：有沒有通報過？我覺得太離譜！在我看來，這個事情是我們的校安把關層層都失靈了！"],["彭署長富源：委員今天提這個，我們分成兩點，我用10秒鐘跟您報告。第一，現在我們尊重疫調，現在要保護受害者，所以現在是秘密中，我們也很希望跟衛福部合作，還是要給我們資料，我們才能知道身分來做很多防範處理的設計，委員也在追，這可能……"],["吳委員沛憶：臺中市教育局給你們的報告了嗎？"],["彭署長富源：對！臺中市在2022的時候是不是就知道？我們在疫調的時候，在允許的資料中我們會詳查。如果衛福部把資料給我們之後，7天內我們把所有事情跟委員會做報告。"],["吳委員沛憶：按照我們現在的法規，有前科就不得擔任校車司機。"],["彭署長富源：是、是。"],["吳委員沛憶：臺中市政府有沒有負到資格查核的責任？中間有沒有去做過稽查？接送的這些管理有沒有在做執行？第二個，從2022年到現在，中間有沒有通報紀錄？持續發生的案件都沒有察覺異狀，我覺得太離譜了！所以拜託教育部一定要去介入，這個事情要審慎地去面對。關於臺中之前的教練性侵案，臺中市政府連受害者多少人都搞不清楚狀況！那家長要如何放心？拜託教育部，請你們一定要去介入、了解，好不好？"],["彭署長富源：對於委員剛剛所提的各個子題，我們會一個一個詳查，只要具體相關的身分給我們之後，7天內一定回報委員會。"],["吳委員沛憶：好，7天內請給委員會每一位委員報告，謝謝署長、謝謝主席。"],["彭署長富源：好，謝謝委員垂詢。"],["主席：好，謝謝。有請下一位委員劉建國委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":176,"meet_id":"聯席會議-11-5-22,26-1","speakers":["羅廷瑋","張嘉郡","王育敏","蔡春綢","陳培瑜","林月琴","柯志恩","羅智強","葛如鈞","陳秀寳","郭昱晴","林宜瑾","吳沛憶","劉建國","黃秀芳","葉元之","吳思瑤","鄭天財Sra 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