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市長我們回去看一下錄影如果有不足夠不完整的地方希望教育部來提供資料來讓因為我們所知我們所不到所以我們代表民眾我們所取資料是所不到的今天您的回應來來回回我覺得也許有清楚也許有不清楚希望你們再提供啦那這個保全薪資五萬三千元到底是地方支出還是由教育部負擔如果您說是現行制度的話"},{"start":981.129,"end":999.107,"text":"現行製作沒有第五級保全跟委員報告現行的第五級保全是用在銀行或相關的一個產業哇因為這我是提到說目前的這個教官的離退我們有學創人力的引進面對毒品的一個問題謝謝那擔心謝謝您可以先市長"},{"start":1000.709,"end":1011.911,"text":"您剛剛說是現行制度所以這個現行制度有套用在校園嗎我講的現行制度是社會的不是學校的現行制度啦又擴充解釋所以次長我想要告訴你為什麼我們索取資料這麼重要因為不會有我們這樣現場一來一回您可能會誤會我我也許也會誤會您這個其實是不好的好不好所以剛剛我們又理解又擴充理解了所以次長講的現行制度不是校園內"},{"start":1030.515,"end":1042.262,"text":"有第五級保全我可以這樣理解嗎可以好所以大家要回去看錄影不要誤會市長前面的話最後啦還是要來請教不好意思我爭取一點時間因為教師人立方的問題很嚴重啦代理教室105年從11%上升到113年15%國中階段代理教師105年的11%上升到113年的18%我們真的要留住他們我們也很感謝他們幫忙"},{"start":1057.21,"end":1082.492,"text":"那很多代理教師去接手班期是在一個學期裡面他的聘期可能不滿三個月畢竟代理老師是被找來接手的聘期不是掌握在他們的手中那市長請教按照教育部的現行規定我現在講得很清楚按照教育部的現行規定聘期未滿三個月的代理教師在計算薪水的時候也可以和專任教師一樣採計之前的任職年資嗎"},{"start":1084.272,"end":1112.231,"text":"三個月這部分人事委滿三個月不好意思因為這個這個我跟主席爭取一點因為這個全國都在等市長的答覆啦為什麼因為我們秀出的這個圖就是地方至少五個縣市的教育局在發函去問教育部到底這個問題的答案是什麼來請說可以還是不可以宜蘭高雄台中新北台南等五個縣市至少都在發公文搞不清楚狀況"},{"start":1113.132,"end":1140.97,"text":"短期代理教師的話並沒有對因為他是短期未滿三個月到底算不算年資未滿三個月的部分他不算三個月以上的話才是我們的長期代理教師不好意思我們在這個2024年8月9號憲法法庭113年度憲判第7號中小學代理教師前年資職前年資提續案有說答案是可以的"},{"start":1142.071,"end":1161.63,"text":"答案是可以的喔你們有沒有研議過憲判第7號2024年8月從8月1號之後就可以喔而且你們回函給各個縣市都說是可以的喔你們內部有沒有需要搞清楚"},{"start":1163.348,"end":1188.698,"text":"這個不是只是螺絲鬆了會讓很多教師搞不懂因為教職人員不管代理還是專任年資真的很重要尤其還有從A縣市再跑到B縣市的這個很正常我們都有看到真的很辛苦我真的是再次感謝全國的代理教師還有所有的專任教師那這種跨縣市還會有很多的問題所以我訴求很簡單第一"},{"start":1191.125,"end":1208.659,"text":"請教育部盡速統一含資各縣市政府聘期未滿三個月含按日資薪資代理教師比照專任教師納入年資計算如果你們不清楚法律請去看2024年8月9號憲法法庭的113年度憲判制第7號"},{"start":1209.58,"end":1229.479,"text":"第二 請教育部務必於公文內清楚說明本解釋 也就是我們剛剛提到的解釋生效的時間點是民國114年的8月1號起施行也就是合格代理教師享有職前年資提續的時間點避免代理教師事後有爭議 爭取薪資權益的問題"},{"start":1232.242,"end":1250.562,"text":"主管機關或學校勿以教育部發文解釋的時間點起算所以你們要講清楚這個生效的時間點是114年8月1號起實行請次長可不可以當場承諾相關發文程序可不可以在兩週之內完成我再次感謝我們趙偉吳丁華趙偉可以啦可以好不好兩週內完成好不好謝謝好謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}