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那我們相關的費用也應該由這個行政來支付那另外我們教育部有函示說如果配合事件調查這個教師是要以調課"},{"start":451.612,"end":479.158,"text":"跟沒有客戶的時間來配合調查那不宜用這個工價或休假就是不宜用工價或待客來辦理那可是萬一如果需要啟用到待客那這個待客的費用如果最終這個老師最後他其實是沒有受到解聘的處分那待客費用是不是有行政機關可以支付"},{"start":479.838,"end":507.376,"text":"依這個精神是應該要對嘛齁所以這個如果依這個精神到時候你們會來處理這個我想實務上怎麼樣來落實包括訴訟包括這個我想那個輔導諮商那個系統我們其實這個費用也從過去通過之後開始實施到現在一年大概六千萬我也特別跟他們講說因為各縣市有的做得很前面有的做得很後面老師在進行這個輔導諮商系統的時候有的他"},{"start":507.816,"end":525.29,"text":"他是經費不夠那部分我們會再增加補助另外一條就是拉出來就是剛才你提到的雖然教師法目前裡面有對於老師的射送他有一個因公啦所以因為那個認定上的困難所以老師事實上他如果如果真的遇到校師會"},{"start":526.551,"end":543.791,"text":"射送大概很少會得到這個法律上的一個資源所以我們回去其實也在研究說我們是不是在教師輔導諮商系統裡面的那個計畫裡面在拉出一個法律的一個資源系統如果有一些重大的案件指標性的案件地方政府認為這個老師他"},{"start":546.771,"end":567.592,"text":"確實需要一些支持那我們在這個計畫裡面其實也可以直接就來支持這個老師依法來這個爭取他的權益好那另外在公聽會我上次也有出席來提到說其實很多老師認為根本的解方就是說我們應該來減少班級人數"},{"start":568.933,"end":595.44,"text":"因為現在一個老師面對那麼多的學生我們現在來看現在國小師生比是1比29那國中是1比30那公立高中是1比34那你現在高中端今年下半新學年好像會再減少一整那我們現在講究這個教育精緻化那學生的樣態也越來越多元實在真的是需要下修學生人數"},{"start":598.101,"end":622.031,"text":"所以不曉得教育部目前對於這個有沒有想法小班的方向我們是逐漸在落實啦那也要地方政府啦因為那個涉及到地方的那個經費權限啦那我們當然我們規定的那個都是下限其實有些地方政府他可以他也在減少他這些天花板就是說最多不能超過多少那如果他的現在譬如說地方"},{"start":623.171,"end":649.07,"text":"那個裁判法通過之後他有足夠的能力跟資源如果認為應該要下降我們是予以支持啦那這部分我們至於在政策上全國性的政策上面我們是採取比較穩健的下修因為那個117年那個像竹苗那個部分的高中他是會增加的116年他學年度他是會增加的所以我們在這部分也是要去考慮到各縣市他不同的狀況"},{"start":650.07,"end":664.691,"text":"那有的縣市他確實是一直往下掉那往下掉的話其實學校地方這種依據他的那個財力財力的這個負荷他是可以往下修的他是可以我們是支持的好那有老師有提到說其實他現在"},{"start":665.632,"end":685.969,"text":"不是每安置身心障礙學生一個人我們就可以減少班級人數一至三人那可是這個好像就是在這個所謂的身心障礙學生實施要點中身心障礙的學生好像是採外加名額的方式來安置"},{"start":686.73,"end":711.675,"text":"那這跟剛提到說一名生性障礙生就可以減少班級人數一至三人好像有點矛盾因為現在我們合併招生名額好像沒有預留彈性的狀況之下其實編班的時候還有更沒有這個彈性去處理減少班級人數所以這個到底要說有關於生性障礙生這個安置的這個班級人數彈性調整這個如何處理"},{"start":714.196,"end":724.332,"text":"有沒有更具體的規劃其實我們這三年因為外加身心障礙的學生超過通案核定的班級人數屬於同一類科的他就是可以申請調降新生的這個班級人數"},{"start":726.672,"end":744.688,"text":"對 可以調降嘛像現在從114學年度第二學期合給導師每週減少的譬如說他可以減少那個授課結束的補助也補助了不少費用給那個地方的那些就是他的班級的導師"},{"start":746.411,"end":768.094,"text":"好 那最後想要來請教校安人員的這個問題喔因為過去高中有軍訓教官喔那現在這個就是教官退出校園喔那可是現在目前是用學務創新人力來承接這個預防跟輔導兒少偏差行為的任務喔"},{"start":768.775,"end":792.916,"text":"好 那這個員額配置的部分我們是採用學校教官離退一人那就至少遞補這個一人為原則嘛好 那依照過去教官員額的設置基準那公立學校是六班以下設一人那七班是十二設置一人那十三班以上再增加"},{"start":793.777,"end":811.175,"text":"那私立學校是三百五十人以下至一人那超過三百五十再增一人那現在是有第一線的私校的校安人員在反映就這個比例因為你如果就私校來看的話"},{"start":812.476,"end":839.973,"text":"是1比350啦那公立差不多是1比204啦好 那如果按照這樣的話是不是可以把私校的這個校安的這個比例調整在1比250這個不曉得教育部怎麼樣看這件事覺得怎麼配置比較好啦你讓我們一個月來來檢討如果是250的話要增加多少人跟我們來做一個"},{"start":842.131,"end":857.243,"text":"因為現在說真的啦校園內的這個問題這個孩子現在問題很多元樣態也五花八門所以這個校安人員如果可以增置的話這個比例喔這個拉低很會我們應該研究到一個月後來回覆委員好 謝謝好 謝謝次長謝謝主席"},{"start":860.575,"end":874.648,"text":"好 谢谢林益景委员的咨询请次长回座下一位我们有请蔡春筹委员进行询答稍后在吴思瑶委员询答完毕之后我们休息五分钟"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}