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其實如果公告在現在網路上也很方便啦就是說你學生有時候你發給他一本他要不要丟掉他也不看是 現在沒有說要印只是說你要讓那個學生回去告知家長每個家長要知道要了解甚至那個以前這個手冊沒有功能嘛因為學生拿了也不看嘛也丟了嘛家長也不知道啊那我們要讓家長我們也要來教育家長啦"},{"start":363.954,"end":382.362,"text":"讓他知道說學生來到學校學生應該要要付的什麼權利跟義務那老師有哪些前線老師有哪些的一個管教錢然後我們三方三方都來做一個教育知青師生啦三方的那個手冊其實我是覺得這蠻好的就是說學校在開學的時候"},{"start":382.862,"end":411.64,"text":"他也都會召開相關的一些親師座談等等其實可以利用我們也會跟學校講去多多利用那個機會來溝通譬如說現在教師現場上的一些一些遇到的一些問題我想學生需要鼓勵老師也需要鼓勵那校長在第一線他也比較好帶所以這個部分我們在7月的局處首長會議的時候我們特別來提醒這個地方首長能夠來落實這個部分"},{"start":412.84,"end":428.185,"text":"我們是希望說多畫面的一個輔導然後能夠減輕那個學校的一個壓力那在這裡我要請教因為最近那個鐵城教育在我們整個社會都發酵了那在這裡我要問那個次長"},{"start":433.367,"end":457.239,"text":"你對於那個韓國的這個大力推動教師合理的一個管教管教者的一個經驗你的看法呢當然是支持嘛 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聘請律師相對的給校長一個潛力跟壓力"},{"start":533.315,"end":550.641,"text":"對我想委員關係的方向跟我們現在那天在座談會公聽會所聽到的就是這個提供除了提供老師在心理輔導智商輔導之外在法律資源上面免費的諮詢上面在法律支持上面我們也正在研議要怎麼樣來落實也要增加經費"},{"start":552.302,"end":571.138,"text":"那因為今天大家關心的焦點都差不多啦那剛剛秀寶委員呢也提到第三方的一個那個消失會議要第三方那在這裡呢我今天用那個韓國的一個叫教育廳統一受理投訴這個部分第三方我個人相當支持"},{"start":571.638,"end":599.647,"text":"因為你這個校事會議案件進到學校來我們一直在強調說行政減量行政減量這一個我們有一個校長說了現在不是在教學是在辦案不是在辦學是在辦案那可見學校校方他承受的壓力有多大那如果再有第三方或是有所謂什麼叫做教育廳先把這個案件先綁在校外"},{"start":600.327,"end":617.118,"text":"那這個案件擋在校外老師、校長都不知道都不知道說他被檢舉了這一個好處就是老師仍然還是可以安心的教學他不會因為這個事件的一個影響讓他情緒低落"},{"start":617.978,"end":633.673,"text":"老師的情緒低落對於學生本月受教程就會影響了我想委員的建議很好啦這個所有的建議我們其實也是會納入進一步我們在後續的在怎麼樣的優化來調整這整個制度的運作我們會來納入演繹"},{"start":635.545,"end":652.735,"text":"那當然這個過程裡面我們要給那個老師一個正當的一個管教我們當然也反對說有所謂的體法或者是人格的一個羞辱這個地方我們也相當支持那最後呢"},{"start":654.016,"end":676.289,"text":"我本人本席是支持說教師是依法輔導還有管教先生但是就是不能夠有不當的一個體罰跟人格的一個羞辱所以教師他採取必要的一個正當還有比例原則的一個維持秩序的一個同時教一部一定是要做他最後的一個後退"},{"start":677.83,"end":696.967,"text":"這個剛剛 謝委員其實在那個我們的教師那個解聘辦法解聘不續聘辦法裡面的第四條第四款裡面就有提到教師業務上之正當行為及為了維持教學秩序教育活動正常進行之必要的管教行為是不予處罰那現在我要跟次長講"},{"start":697.888,"end":715.959,"text":"我們這個校士會議在做的同時其實教育部把這個教師法那個教育基本法其實都要忘掉了所以才會那麼之前會有那麼多一千多件的一個校士會議進到學校來所以我們現在就要"},{"start":717.12,"end":738.074,"text":"嚴格來執行嘛來擋嘛所以呢我們要撐起老師就是撐起老師就是撐起台灣的教育好那第二題呢我要跟那個那個次長請教就是所謂教師教師的離線錢離線錢好那因為呢本辦呢有接受那個一些"},{"start":740.756,"end":763.006,"text":"就是我過去也是老師,回家以後常常也都接到很多家長來電那個時候寄來者不寄,來電就不寄但是現在的老師跟我們過去的老師不一樣因為過去沒有校事會議,現在有校事會議還有很多壓力,有很多學生的問題"},{"start":764.207,"end":782.949,"text":"那在這個地方是不是我們能不能不能夠來保障老師下班了以後有這麼全力說這個離縣的服務謝謝委員關心我們在6月17號的時候已經正式發函給各地方縣市政府有關老師的教師的離縣權"},{"start":784.11,"end":803.483,"text":"就是他跟教師的溝通傳簡訊的應該在上班時間我們已經明令就是地方政府能夠尊重那這個要不要就是你一定也辦完或是立法對我們將來在修那個依據那個職業安全衛生法來修教師的部分的時候我們也會把這個納進去"},{"start":805.124,"end":824.415,"text":"我們就是說在那個修法比較quantified的情況下我們先用這個函用函的方式請地方政府去落實那當然我們也知道說這也許不夠而且有的家長也不了解不過就是說學校行政機關要知道這個老師是有這個工作他的保障的如果是因為這樣被投訴他是不予追究的"},{"start":825.856,"end":831.781,"text":"因為很多老師沒有接電話然後學校以後就是免責了那個校長都有話說除非是那個緊急的校安事件這當然真的是例外"},{"start":846.894,"end":862.161,"text":"那在最後就是說那這一個因為老師都會跟家長都會有一個家長群的一個LINE嘛一個LINE嘛那在這裡是要建議說要不要用一個官方就是學校統一的一個LINE這樣的一個帳號這個好處是什麼這個好處能夠內建嘛"},{"start":866.483,"end":874.808,"text":"內建就是說這個時間到的時候呢那都會主動回覆說下班這是揮漁業時間或者是還可以設定幾個問題然後讓家長在這個關關的袋裡面得到一些信息"},{"start":885.666,"end":908.822,"text":"我想這個建議非常好,我們來跟地方政府演繹好不好來跟找看能不能有類似這樣子的一個措施讓每一個學校大概依這樣的方式會比較好希望就是說跟市長我們剛剛所談的都一定要嚴格的來執行不要口頭上這樣一來一往而已"},{"start":909.482,"end":925.572,"text":"那最後剛剛我還是要回應剛剛秀寶秀寶委員提到就是說現在氣候非常的炎熱那在這裡呢因為我過去我是體育老師我的課都是10點一直上到10點然後中間休息1點到12點12點休息到1點然後2點3點"},{"start":929.855,"end":952.108,"text":"每次在上課的時候學生興趣切滑因為太熱了他也不願意在那邊曬太陽運動雖然他們很喜歡運動但是因為天氣的關係所以這個排課的問題我希望教育部也要最後再做一個評量我們為了特別提醒各地方政府一定要以學童的安全為優先考慮"},{"start":954.789,"end":982.468,"text":"所以我剛剛有在跟次長講委員的關心都有關心到一點我們會朝這方面來努力所以我們希望今天這樣的一個質詢都能夠給全國的所有的對於基層的老師還有關心的家長一個明確的交代目前老師的士氣確實不高我們盡量來鼓勵然後在行政措施上我們給予支持剛才委員提到的法律上的我們也在研議中"},{"start":983.469,"end":1007.648,"text":"我們希望教育部能夠挽回過去所有的家長對於教育尤其是老師是非常非常的尊重那為什麼今天老師這麼沒有地位造成教師荒那今天的報紙也有說那個物理老師那個自然科的老師一聘就有了一聘就來了"},{"start":1008.448,"end":1030.919,"text":"然後呢 其他的老師的項目呢 招不到老師那因為 為什麼 因為很多那個比較好的這個 這些智能課的人他理念到科技公司啊 那不理念到學校啦所以我們要把整個校園的氣候把它 把它營造好嘛那我們共同來努力好 謝謝 謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝蔡村崇委員 請次長"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}