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那這樣子可以怎麼做如果說真的修法通過之後我們會有相關的配套辦法還是說我們機關的一個質疑"},{"start":298.743,"end":321.802,"text":"鼓勵或說甚至是如果說他都沒有去聘約聘僱的話我們是不是要鼓勵或說督促他應該要聘請約聘僱我想這部分就是我們目前才正在開始討論這個事情委員只叫我們會來盡快再來處理這樣一個看怎麼來因應這個新的修法完以後可能面臨的一個議題好啦部長因為本席提出來的我想"},{"start":322.662,"end":348.685,"text":"聽在我們所有公務機關同仁的俄理應該很理解我們要的是政策是美意因為也是搶救少子化嘛讓大家知道是說我們有協助大家能夠留嬰挺親或是相關的這個育兒的一個休假可是不是說這樣子留在機關原本的人他反而變成是倒霉然後造成同事之間的不諒解甚至是我請假請的稍微長一點的話可能科室主管"},{"start":349.406,"end":369.536,"text":"也對他可能不諒解我們同事也對他不諒解那其實可以解決的方法我們就應該要事先就預先來做到所以剛剛也提到是說承諾剛剛有徐宇甄委員講是要先送說這個機關現在聘請的約聘顧的這個比例的部分也請提供本席做參考"},{"start":370.717,"end":385.694,"text":"好那另外就是剛剛全區部部長這邊有提到就是說針對這個修法通過之後的相關辦法請一併也把這樣的一個部分列入做修法做辦法修正的一個重要依據好嗎謝謝好謝謝部長好謝謝好謝謝洪委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-24T11:22:02+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-24T11:22:03.883750+08:00","text":"感謝我們召委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-24T11:22:03.883750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-24T11:22:05.767500+08:00","text":"請銓敘部施部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-24T11:22:05.767500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-24T11:22:07.651250+08:00","text":"請部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-24T11:22:07.651250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-24T11:22:09.535000+08:00","text":"還有人事總處培訓考用處處長。好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-24T11:22:09.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-24T11:22:12.117000+08:00","text":"人事行政總處今天就是兩位處長來，是不是？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-24T11:22:12.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-24T11:22:28.667000+08:00","text":"對，有兩位代表。好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-06-24T11:22:28.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-24T11:22:29.627000+08:00","text":"委員好。感謝。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-24T11:22:32.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-24T11:22:44.152000+08:00","text":"其實我想在我們宇甄委員後面質詢，有點吃虧喔，因為很多問題他都已經把它問完了，但我覺得身為立法委員，其實我們就站在這邊，也是幫我們公務同仁來發聲。理解。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-24T11:22:44.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-24T11:22:52.616000+08:00","text":"修法是一個部分，但真正重要是落實，讓大家就是看得到這個政策的美意，而真的能夠落實得到。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-24T11:22:53.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-24T11:23:16.673000+08:00","text":"所以第一個部分是，如果接下來公保法做相關的修法，並且育嬰走向育兒，導入六加三等等部分，剛剛其實宇甄委員或是其他委員可能也有問到，相關的公務人員留職停薪辦法，或是甚至任用法、考績法等請假規定，是不是已經做了盤點？","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-24T11:23:16.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-24T11:23:22.036000+08:00","text":"未來有可能會比較大規模，或是比較時間長的部分，我們要有怎麼樣的配套措施？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-06-24T11:23:23.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-24T11:23:33.503000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，任用法也送出來了，其他相關的辦法，就是法規命令，我們會跟著這個法，如果法通過之後，我們會跟著儘快把它完成。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-24T11:23:33.763000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-24T11:23:35.784000+08:00","text":"是，有把握什麼時候？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-24T11:23:36.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-24T11:23:38.446000+08:00","text":"就是上路的時候就同樣可以出來？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-06-24T11:23:38.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-24T11:23:40.207000+08:00","text":"這個事情我們一定不能夠拖。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-24T11:23:40.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-24T11:23:41.168000+08:00","text":"不能拖嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-06-24T11:23:41.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-24T11:23:45.671000+08:00","text":"因為既然要上路就不可能相關的行政配套沒有做出來。是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-24T11:23:46.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-24T11:24:08.162000+08:00","text":"我也請教一下，其實公務機關跟企業有一個很大的不同，因為公務機關辦理的是很多的民間業務，以及公務機關很多業務是有法定期限的，如果有法定期限的話，有人民的權益，有委員會的議程，有公文時效，如果育嬰留職停薪的假多，那就會有相關的職務代理或是人力的需求。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-24T11:24:09.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-24T11:24:21.286000+08:00","text":"到目前為止，剛剛其實相關單位也有回答，就是我們並不了解到底有多少留職停薪是使用約聘僱人員，還是用職代。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"施部長能傑","start":"2026-06-24T11:24:21.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-24T11:24:21.986000+08:00","text":"對，廣義的職代。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-24T11:24:22.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-24T11:24:44.434000+08:00","text":"對，但我們其實看到很多公務機關，過去我們也在公部門服務過，如果真的有這樣請假的狀況，他其實就是一個人兼兩個人的工作，或是一個人兼三個人的工作都有，到時候就變成同單位的公務同仁，他的負擔更加重，我們這個修法的美意就沒有辦法落實。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-24T11:24:44.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-24T11:24:56.182000+08:00","text":"我們是希望如果有人符合資格，請留職停薪相關育兒、育嬰假的話，應該要趕快再補譬如約聘僱的人來做暫時的代理。對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-24T11:24:58.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-24T11:25:01.748000+08:00","text":"可是到目前為止，這兩個部分，第一，人有沒有辦法找到？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-24T11:25:02.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-24T11:25:02.849000+08:00","text":"比例多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-24T11:25:03.069000+08:00","guess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