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謝謝 那再來請教考試院"},{"start":426.634,"end":453.535,"text":"委員好請問考試院如果重要職務長期由代理人員擔任是否會影響文官制度的穩定性委員您是說考試院的重要職務還是一般的都是一般的重要職務包括現在檢察總長包括所有的當然是盡可能不要太過長期的代理會比較好那進一步而言基層公務人員是否可能因為政策方向不確定而產生疑慮呢"},{"start":456.38,"end":460.21,"text":"如果代理的首長代理首長當然就是"},{"start":461.854,"end":491.11,"text":"如果他代理長又頻繁的更換的話也有可能會造成一些不穩定所以說在制度設計上考試院是否支持建立代理制度期限以避免代理常態化但是就像我剛剛講的如果說代理首長也是頻繁的更換對於那個機關來講可能運作穩定度也是一個需要考慮的因素如果譬如說幾個月就要換一個新的代理人的話那每一位的風格方向未必相同"},{"start":491.751,"end":493.308,"text":"好 謝謝 那再來請教監察院"},{"start":503.385,"end":526.422,"text":"就叫祕書長 若監察院重要職務長期由代理人員擔任是否會影響其獨立性跟權威性獨立性是絕對不會影響因為監察委員本身就必須要一定要本於職權依據法律獨立行使職權這是在整個監察院框進我們的DNA裡面的一個最重要的使命"},{"start":527.321,"end":557.181,"text":"所以你覺得權威性有問題獨立性沒問題是你回答的那所以說因此監察院覺得說不需要提名制度報告提名進度報告機制讓人民可以了解政府是否積極補時期職位我們剛才在報告的時候已經有特別提到我們監察院的組織法就有很明確的代理制度了整個的比如說今天要討論的院長副院長出缺的時候我們是由監察委員來代理"},{"start":558.502,"end":570.472,"text":"所以你覺得代理都沒問題就是了我們目前這個制度的運作在長年的運作並沒有發現任何的憾惡之處最後還是再就教一次法務部部長"},{"start":581.86,"end":603.294,"text":"好 鄭部長 代理檢察總長跟正式檢察所長的職權是否完全一致是一致 那我想這個代理的一個期間徐義代理檢察總長這段時間也行使得非常 提起非常上述那跟委員報告 如果說沒有代理的話所以說完全一致是不是實質上削弱立法院的人事同意權這個絕對沒有架空 這個沒有架空的問題"},{"start":607.737,"end":620.569,"text":"那這個的確是因為我們提跟立完提中我們是一定是提那個提最適合的一個人選那當然是大院沒有沒有最適合的人選代理的總長剛好代理總長的人選他是因為最高檢察署的一個主任檢察官"},{"start":622.851,"end":638.289,"text":"那這是屬於最高層目前總長一個卸職之後他是一個最高職務的一個所以目前法務部不支持透過修法來建立代理期限這部分我們都尊重啦我們是尊重那個法律的修法那我想這部分所以我要一個明確的一些神諾回答"},{"start":639.049,"end":641.893,"text":"所以法務部是否支持透過修法建立代理期限與補提名機制請給我一個yes or no回答"},{"start":657.813,"end":684.567,"text":"跟委員報告 剛才我想監察也提到了那個民定代理期限事實上會出現人事案的一個平反的一個更迭那說實在非常適合檢查中甚至檢查中有出缺的時候那個代理人選都非常多他一定是要在一個檢查體系一個體系非常具有得到望重然後呢這個整個一個學經歷他最威望以及他法律的一個素養"},{"start":685.827,"end":710.102,"text":"謝謝部長 既然你不願意正面回答那我們就可以直接 謝謝部長既然我們法務部部長還有我們現在目前的首長都不願意正面回答這個問題各位在場的先進跟全國好朋友在注意到這個議題的所有知識份子綜合以上討論問題不在代理制度本身而是在其過度被延伸而且缺乏明確的限制"},{"start":711.042,"end":730.791,"text":"當代理無期限延長甚至取代正式任命的時候立法院的人事同意權將被實質架空從近年發展觀察行政權有逐步擴張的趨勢重要職位長期由代理人員擔任憲政制衡機制面臨弱化風險"},{"start":732.27,"end":759.447,"text":"在這裡本席認為應該聚焦在三個改革方案第一建立合理之提名極限第二設立代理制度之明確上限第三要求政府定期向立法院報告補提名的進度總而言之代理制度可以存在但是不應該也不能無限延續同樣的提名權可以行使但必須伴隨著相應的責任最後本席要在這邊強調"},{"start":760.948,"end":783.848,"text":"今天我們的討論並非為特定政黨或個人而是為了維護憲政制度的正常運作唯有總統跟立法院各司其職行政權跟立法權監督權互相制衡國家方能穩定運行反之若形成不同意及長期代理的慣例受損的將是整體憲政根基"},{"start":784.508,"end":802.305,"text":"人民所期待的是一個依法運作權力受制衡的民主法治國家因此我在這邊呼籲賴總統儘速提出事任人選送交立法院審查使民意得以實質監督而並非以代理取代憲法制度以上 謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}