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所以我就說這個其實就是交通安全教育嘛這從小扎根嘛所以就是說我們交通部如果更重視跟教育部有更重視的話我們上馬路就可以看得到啦其實這很容易測試啦"},{"start":503.656,"end":527.764,"text":"是不是就是交通部也希望說這些多做一下跟教育部多聯繫那做一下共同的宣導這個其實保護孩子的安全是我們非常重要的職責這個部分是不是請交通部也跟教育部能夠多保持聯繫是 我們來如何加強那我們要測成果很簡單去馬路走一走看看小朋友有沒有舉手就知道了 好不好"},{"start":529.286,"end":531.169,"text":"希望說交通部這部分也能夠多加強"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-25T10:09:56.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:09:58.283000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我們請次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-25T10:09:58.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:10:05.648000+08:00","text":"好，請次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-25T10:10:05.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:10:05.848000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-25T10:10:07.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:10:07.069000+08:00","text":"次長好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-25T10:10:07.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:10:36.323000+08:00","text":"我想每位委員幾乎都會關心毒駕的問題，事實上，社會大眾對毒駕的厭惡度真的是提高很多，你看毒駕的數目字增加得非常快，前年是2,131，去年是8,659，今年第一季就已經3,223，到5月的數目字是6,730。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-25T10:10:36.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:11:07.418000+08:00","text":"發生這麼多件的毒駕，前陣子又有位桃園的媽媽還載著女兒，後來發生了車禍，其實我們對於毒駕及酒駕幾乎都是零容忍，現在交通部新研擬的方案規定惡意拒測時可以吊扣他的車子，對不對？","quality":0.785},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-25T10:11:10.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:11:14.627000+08:00","text":"如果是惡意拒測就會吊銷他的駕照。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-25T10:11:15.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:11:18.528000+08:00","text":"吊銷執照，還有吊扣車輛。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-25T10:11:20.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:11:21.609000+08:00","text":"車輛是沒入，不是吊扣，是沒入車輛。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-25T10:11:21.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:11:23.990000+08:00","text":"沒入是怎麼樣？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-25T10:11:23.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:11:25.050000+08:00","text":"沒收、收起來。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-25T10:11:25.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:11:29.011000+08:00","text":"沒收，這是私人財產就直接沒收？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-25T10:11:29.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:11:31.392000+08:00","text":"是，所以需要法律明文規定才能這樣做。","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-25T10:11:33.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:11:34.813000+08:00","text":"這部分你們有查過是OK嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-25T10:11:35.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:11:44.776000+08:00","text":"OK，處罰條例的沒入不是這次才有類似的規定，處罰條例有很多……","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-25T10:11:45.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:11:46.196000+08:00","text":"直接把車子沒收？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-25T10:11:46.996000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:11:47.476000+08:00","text":"是，將車輛沒入。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-25T10:11:49.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:11:55.838000+08:00","text":"如果首次毒駕及連續累犯，基本上罰款之外也同時吊銷駕照？","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-25T10:11:57.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:12:05.775000+08:00","text":"對，罰款的額度也會不一樣，累犯的處罰額度會不一樣。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-25T10:12:06.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:12:10.118000+08:00","text":"現在時速超過40的車子是吊扣牌照半年？","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-25T10:12:18.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:12:20.624000+08:00","text":"對，那是吊扣，半年之後車子會還給他。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-25T10:12:20.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:12:21.084000+08:00","text":"超速超過40跟毒駕是誰比較嚴重？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-25T10:12:28.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:12:30.744000+08:00","text":"毒駕相對嚴重很多。是啊！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-25T10:12:31.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:12:37.169000+08:00","text":"所以我在想毒駕有沒有機會仿超速超過40的作法？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-25T10:12:37.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:12:37.809000+08:00","text":"不要吊扣啊！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-25T10:12:38.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:12:40.771000+08:00","text":"我們現在毒駕是直接沒入。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-25T10:12:42.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:12:53.381000+08:00","text":"不是，毒駕第一次跟第二次有沒入嗎？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-25T10:12:53.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:12:54.001000+08:00","text":"第一次就沒入啦！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-25T10:12:59.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:13:01.422000+08:00","text":"喔，所以只要是毒駕，車子就統統沒收？是。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-06-25T10:13:04.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-25T10:13:05.065000+08:00","text":"那是滿嚴重的。","quality":0.833},{"spe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