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謝謝委員的關心這個5歲的入園率確實已經達到95.5%多啦就96%左右那至於有少數不到5%的人他可能是在家自己帶那有些因素呢他可能是因為父母跟著出國"},{"start":159.814,"end":173.168,"text":"那有些這個大概有各種因素啦那幾乎那個入園率非常高這個數字應該偏鄉資源不足是一個問題原住民的這個重點學校重點區大概還在達到96%他們沒有說"},{"start":175.45,"end":201.342,"text":"那個不足那邊其實在偏鄉的照顧其實在這一波的那個少數綠化對策裡面我們對於這個各縣市的那個兩歲到五歲專班的公共化評價教保的名額的釋出的攻擊其實這個是這個是有效的他們也都入園第二個問題就是說你提到說如果現在國家往鄉下延伸馬上延伸會面臨什麼問題其實我們在這到今天要開會"},{"start":202.242,"end":208.196,"text":"那昨天前幾天大概也問了一些地方縣市政府他們的想法其實他們也是比較"},{"start":209.698,"end":233.888,"text":"比較習慣也是比較希望能夠解決的譬如說都會區的他可能比較希望解決兩歲專班的問題那提高繼續提高那個入園那個入園率的問題那他們也希望說那個我們現在的少數立法對策的補助能夠市政府的裁員能夠盡量能夠再降往下降等等那其實我們政府也都朝這方面在做那"},{"start":234.568,"end":257.816,"text":"那至於這個比較偏鄉的一些偏遠地區它的供給量是夠的但是呢他們也希望說朝減輕負擔減輕負擔那我們的私生筆這些呢私生筆現在公共化優惠園包括我們的準公幼非營利還有公托其實我們都達到1比12了那如果你往下"},{"start":258.576,"end":273.382,"text":"就降到5歲馬上要強迫入學這個能短時間到位嗎其實坦白講現在沒辦法因為現在我們這麼高的入園率目前由公幼就是我們的公共來支撐的這個比例大概還是3比7左右大概3比7"},{"start":273.882,"end":289.434,"text":"但我想當然也有其他的家長也會反映就是說如果要這個小孩五歲就要被送入所謂的正式的一個學制那會不會淪為所謂的小學生中班對家長的反應其實比較是在經濟上的負擔所以我們一直在"},{"start":291.295,"end":310.273,"text":"其實從105年上路開始到現在的321到明年再外加5000其實就是逐步是政府的裁員然後再擴大照顧跟減輕負擔的一個對策所以中瓜以上其實我們大家前面幾個委員也特別提到了我們真的還是希望先召開公聽會"},{"start":311.954,"end":331.196,"text":"那麼聽取更多不管家長團體也好幼教的一個專業的這個師資或基層的一個教師還有地方政府以及幼兒園的這個他們的一些代表與其要強迫入學我們還不如就是來思考怎麼樣來因應這些方式我覺得可能還是會鼓勵生育減輕負擔"},{"start":332.777,"end":355.447,"text":"這個部分我是不是請教育部也持續的盤點那麼針對這個全國的這個校舍的能量然後跟師資的一個儲備還有我們的預算的一個缺口我想我們可不可以做個評估的報告我們會提供資料就是在如果大院要召開公聽會的話提前讓我們知道我們會把這個資料準備好大概多久你們需要準備資料這樣子的一個評估報告大概需要準備多久"},{"start":357.231,"end":370.992,"text":"那因為今天有大概四位委員目前為止有四位委員有增加我們原來評估的項目我們會大概七天左右七個工作天把它做完所有新生的意見跟原來我們的意見整合在一起"},{"start":371.733,"end":398.121,"text":"再让我们教育委员会的委员指导一下好那第二个问题我想再次的问一下就是第一线的教师其实他们称其是台湾教育的一个支柱但是现在呢当然我们知道其实我们教育部其实在这个部分也下了不少的功夫那我们持续在推动教师资商辅导的一个支持的一个中心那么从113年开始其实我们把这样子的一个辅助地方的一个经费也提高到了所谓的六千万元"},{"start":398.641,"end":411.457,"text":"那服務的人次其實也慢慢的提升但是我們過去一直在強調那心理輔導其實不是那麼的足夠因為其實教師除了心理輔導他還有教學壓力或者是來自所謂的教師會議還有校園的訴訟"},{"start":413.78,"end":435.811,"text":"那我想這個其實我們所有的聲音我相信教育部這邊也都聽得很清楚那目前已經開始要研議來建立所謂的這個縣市法律諮詢的一個系統那麼我們也預計要跟這個律師公會來做一個合作其實我們也當然期待這樣的一個成果那目前有沒有盤點出就是教育部的這個教師諮商輔導支持中心目前服務的一個成效"},{"start":436.351,"end":454.342,"text":"那麼最新的一個報告是如何我們真的有確實接到第一線身心狀況出現一些問題的這些老師嗎那第二個問題是我們中央對於全國性的這個法律資源的一個中心有沒有具體的一個時程配套的措施大概有哪些這兩個問題請教一下教授好謝謝委員的關心其實我們那個教師"},{"start":458.724,"end":477.715,"text":"心理諮商服務島這個從109年開始由台視大的王教授開始在服務島各縣市成立到現在已經在第六年那其實整個服務的成效平均的次數我因為那個詳細數字委員如果有需要我會給大概每年會有4000多多的人次4000多個人次"},{"start":478.956,"end":498.079,"text":"好 那另外就是全國的法律資源中心有沒有具體的一個目前對於全國性的這樣子的一個資源中心我們的配套措施還有大概對 委員關心這個就是說也有很多外界在關心所以當時我認為這個是可以來朝向這個方向來做"},{"start":498.459,"end":512.43,"text":"但是這個因為涉及成本也很廣譬如說你要去跟公會洽談地方縣市政府他們要怎麼樣成立要成立在哪一個單位這個都還需要再做跟地方政府取得共識我們會朝這個方向來做來推動"},{"start":514.471,"end":538.061,"text":"我們大家都希望教育部不要只是研議啦不要只是研議而是應該要儘速的去提供所謂的比較具體的一個施策表出來我們是一定會做啦譬如說剛才委員關心的那個教師諮商也是一樣我們推動剛開始推動也是很少的剛才這數字除了說121年的時候是2800多到112.4千多4千多少去年也到5762增加了一倍"},{"start":538.641,"end":554.353,"text":"好所以我們還是要繼續的瞎快腳步我們再提醒一次就是不要讓老師在面對他們訴訟的時候覺得自己是孤軍奮戰我覺得這點非常重要然後也提醒不要讓這個繁瑣的行政調查的程序去壓垮校園那地方"},{"start":554.713,"end":572.884,"text":"第三方的一個專業其實剛剛其實也有委員提到第三方的這個專業跟公正性的一個提升那學校是負責受理沒錯但是調查認定要交由人才庫的一個專業的法律跟心理上面的一個資訊來保障學生的受教權跟老師的工作權我想這個部分我們要繼續努力好嗎好謝謝我們會努力好謝謝好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-29T11:23:01.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:23:02.827000+08:00","text":"有請次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-29T11:23:02.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:23:06.931000+08:00","text":"有請次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-06-29T11:23:07.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:23:07.692000+08:00","text":"郭委員好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-29T11:23:08.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:23:08.312000+08:00","text":"次長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-29T11:23:09.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:23:13.037000+08:00","text":"我想大家都認同教育對孩子的發展至關重要。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-29T11:23:13.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:23:32.038000+08:00","text":"我們政府從推「0到6歲國家一起養」的政策以來，根據國教署最新統計，剛剛在程序發言的時候我也說過，114年5歲幼兒的入園率已經高達95.52%，比例其實相當的高。","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-29T11:23:32.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:23:39.888000+08:00","text":"我想這也顯示大多數的家長，他們也確實實質地參與了學前教育，就是他們的孩子們。","quality":0.543},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-29T11:23:41.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:23:53.894000+08:00","text":"但現在有委員提出要把5歲納入義務教育、強迫入學，我想這不是只改個名字跟學費補貼的問題而已，而是會牽動整個國家教育體系。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-29T11:23:55.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:24:09.227000+08:00","text":"我們可以反過來思考研究一下，剩下將近5%沒有入園的孩子，是因為家長想要自己帶，還是因為偏鄉資源不足的問題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-29T11:24:09.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:24:11.709000+08:00","text":"這個部分想要請教教育部幾個問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-29T11:24:13.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:24:31.954000+08:00","text":"前面剛剛提到的報告當中，如果我們把5歲納入國教，至少要增加1,431個班級；如果照部分委員提議甚至要下修到3歲、要增加將近1萬4,356班。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-29T11:24:32.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:24:52.720000+08:00","text":"如果我們明天就要開始強迫5歲的孩子入學，我請問一下次長，這麼龐大的需求，我們目前的師生比、適齡學習的硬體空間跟廁所的設施，真的都能夠短期到位嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-29T11:24:52.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:24:54.180000+08:00","text":"這是第一個問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-29T11:24:54.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:25:04.384000+08:00","text":"第二個問題是我們的財政負擔，國教的延伸不管往上還是往下，都牽涉到重大經費的支出。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-29T11:25:05.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:25:16.672000+08:00","text":"這個部分，財劃法的資源分配、財源分配的問題，我們有沒有精準地算過這筆錢目前在哪裡？","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-29T11:25:16.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:25:19.054000+08:00","text":"我們有沒有跟地方政府好好地溝通？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-06-29T11:25:19.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:25:20.375000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的關心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-06-29T11:25:21.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:25:25.202000+08:00","text":"5歲的入園率確實已經達到95.5%多，大概96%左右。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-06-29T11:25:25.702000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:25:28.506000+08:00","text":"至於少數不到5%的人是為什麼？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-06-29T11:25:28.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:25:37.197000+08:00","text":"他可能是在家自己帶，有些可能是因為跟著父母出國，大概有各種因素。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-06-29T11:25:39.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:25:42.062000+08:00","text":"入園率非常高，這個數字應該……","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-29T11:25:42.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:25:44.344000+08:00","text":"偏鄉資源不足是不是也是一個問題？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-06-29T11:25:44.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:25:50.990000+08:00","text":"偏鄉原住民重點學校重點區大概還達到96%，他們沒有不足。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-06-29T11:25:52.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:26:08.958000+08:00","text":"偏鄉照顧在這一波少子女化對策裡面，我們對於各縣市2歲到5歲專班、公共化平價教保名額釋出的供給是有效的，他們也都入園。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-06-29T11:26:08.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-29T11:26:12.620000+08:00","text":"第二個問題，你提到說如果現在國教馬上向下延伸……馬上。","quali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