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這種期待還有另外許多資深優秀的基層同仁他們零供奉已經到最高奉給那書記官認為說零供奉最高奉給應該維持兩個月的考級獎金啦剛剛你好像有報告到但是我是再請你們再確認一次這個沒有改變 這個沒有改變但是你那麼具體用白紙黑字"},{"start":574.953,"end":585.879,"text":"來明文規定沒有 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