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先請為我們留下這個邱卓偉邱署長也留下那個商劃署這個"},{"start":252.557,"end":273.594,"text":"有關於扣建扣建傳統產業你也知道我選區都是扣建的重要生產基地不然從陸屬從岡山一橋這個一區這個就是我們的S郎帶所以傳統產業跟高科技產業是並存的但是會形成一個強烈的對比"},{"start":275.031,"end":302.464,"text":"我們所有的這個美光燈的焦點或者世界的所有的焦點都集中在這個半導體S狼帶所以從這個沙輪一直到這個男子產業園區基本上變成全世界最重要的這個IC或是半導體的相關的設計跟製造中心但旁邊我們有很多產業園區產業園區就是這個我說的扣件是鋼鐵等等"},{"start":304.465,"end":329.845,"text":"這些怎麼樣讓他更加值化讓他脫離這個紅海市場能夠有更多的這個競爭力我覺得你們有做但是還做的還不夠我想請教一下邱署長你們針對這個扣件輔導他身形轉型加值化很久了會不會要跟這個高科技的這些這個AI相結合這個部分"},{"start":331.735,"end":340.189,"text":"我想聽一下您的意見還有哪些相對好的做法讓我們金屬科技業能夠有信心"},{"start":341.22,"end":347.483,"text":"好謝謝張偉的這個詢問我想經濟部對這個扣建業可以說算是最重視的一個產業之一的光部長為了這個扣建業舉辦了好幾場的專業的座談會來協助解決他們的問題那當然他受到一點影響是因為那個美國232關稅的關係可是現在我們也爭取到了如果可以適用汽車的扣建15%如果是航太的扣建的話是免232關稅"},{"start":370.195,"end":394.744,"text":"所以我們現在的這個輔導重點的話就是希望它能夠朝向比較高質化的方向來發展高質化就是兩個領域嘛對 這兩個領域 航拍跟汽車還有其他的呢那另外的話就是剛剛委員有關心的就是說協助它去做一些AI的轉型 低碳的轉型那我們經過盤點目前已經有協助119家的扣件業者朝這方面去轉型所以我們特別成立了一個扣件的一個專業的輔導團"},{"start":397.326,"end":421.001,"text":"我們現在是篩選扣件的專家特別是像金屬中心或者用經費的挹注但是我覺得你們要思考怎麼用稅負的方式結合財政部在負稅上面有一些減免讓他們能夠成本降低這可能要請鞏部長再跟財政部做一些協調對傳統產業目前經營比較困難的產業能夠在稅務上面可以更多的優待"},{"start":427.462,"end":448.025,"text":"處長,那個前幾天我討論到這個RSU啊,這媒體有很大篇幅的報導我也對這個RSU,外國用RSU的制度來搶台灣的高科技人才,這已經現在進行一次如果我們還跟不上時代,我們還是用RSA,會綁住"},{"start":449.777,"end":475.938,"text":"會變成是誘因不夠大家都跑到這個外商企業所以我們好不容易培育出來的這個高科技人才啊很容易因為制度的落後然後被挖角對這種情況這個署長您有什麼想法先跟委員說明齁如果現在RSA可以還是讓那個企業比較好運用我們會先處理但是我們同步也在研議齁就是"},{"start":476.605,"end":492.702,"text":"RSU在公司法裡面是不是有可以需要修法嗎我們不排除啦但是這個還需要再評估一下產業界高科技業有很大的這個呼籲也有很大的這個跟政府部門相關的建議所以我想媒體或者是產業界都有這種呼籲應該啊經濟部"},{"start":498.187,"end":521.713,"text":"就是由您主任來跟這個相關的金管會來做一些討論能不能在現階段不用修法的情形之下我們導入這個RSU的制度讓它能夠在這個人才的競爭上立於這個平等的地位是 那個委員我們其實也在想說如果韓式可以去解釋的話其實是可以不用動到修法的"},{"start":522.643,"end":526.81,"text":"所以這個部分大概什麼時候可以完成呢我們盡快會處理那委員是不是給我們兩個月的時間三個月好 謝謝"},{"start":536.069,"end":536.709,"text":"好 我們謝謝邱師傅"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:22:41.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:22:48.710000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請經濟部龔部長跟國發會葉主委休息一下。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:22:50.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:22:55.936000+08:00","text":"部長，我是叫你休息，不是叫你上臺啦。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:23:00+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:23:17.987000+08:00","text":"我請經濟部龔部長跟國發會葉主委休息一下，有請商發署蘇署長、中企署李副署長、產發署邱署長、國發基金汪執行秘書。","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-01T09:23:17.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:23:18.928000+08:00","text":"好，請相關部會。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:23:20.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:23:49.898000+08:00","text":"因為我長期在經濟委員會，知道商發署、中小企業署跟產發署對產業的發展非常重要，如果沒有相關在經費上國家資源的挹注跟協助，很多產業，也不用說無人機，比方說扣件要轉型，如果沒有相關的計畫，沒有相關政府資金的補助跟協助，說實在的，憑他們自己的資金，很難適度的轉型或者開拓海外市場。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:23:51.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:24:11.112000+08:00","text":"商發署跟中小企業署，特別是中小企業署對於南部為主的中小企業非常重要，所以你們這些相關的補助，從我當立委至今已經十幾年了，基本上，我都在經濟委員會，所有的補助案都對產業界的發展至關重要，我也希望你們多編一些預算協助產業的發展。","quality":0.779},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:24:13.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:24:18.017000+08:00","text":"補助當然有相關的機制，也有相關的規定，對不對？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:24:18.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:24:25.463000+08:00","text":"這個規定跟制度，因為是公務部門，一定非常嚴謹，一定要合法、合規，更要合情、合理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:24:27.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:24:39.931000+08:00","text":"我相信今天有相關補助的，對產業發展至關重要的商發署，蘇署長，在您主政之下，商發署對各項的補助是不是都符合合情、合法、合規？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"蘇署長文玲","start":"2026-07-01T09:24:42.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:24:52.088000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，我們所有的只要是補助方案，最少會以公開的公告去徵案，時間大概是一到兩個月，一定會一個月以上，時間一定足夠。","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:24:52.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:24:56.171000+08:00","text":"所以一定是要合法合規、合情合理，這一點沒有問題。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:24:56.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:25:02.575000+08:00","text":"同樣的，中小企業署也是如此，一定要合法合規、合情合理，產發署也是如此。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:25:03.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:25:15.395000+08:00","text":"對產業界補助的預算三個單位加起來有好幾百億，沒有你們這樣補助，很多產業轉型真的是很困難。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:25:17.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:25:18.856000+08:00","text":"接著請問國發基金執秘。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"汪執行秘書庭安","start":"2026-07-01T09:25:20.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:25:20.932000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:25:21.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:25:37.905000+08:00","text":"你們國發基金有很多的投資類別，包含一般的企業，還有新創，還有八大主要的產業，最近加入運動部，每一個產業大概100億，對不對？是。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:25:38.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:25:46.572000+08:00","text":"這個當然有相關的審查機制，你對你們目前相關的審查機制、法律部分，你有沒有信心？","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"汪執行秘書庭安","start":"2026-07-01T09:25:47.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:25:48.153000+08:00","text":"有，絕對有信心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:25:48.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:25:50.515000+08:00","text":"絕對禁得起考驗，對不對？對。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:25:50.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:26:22.572000+08:00","text":"我也相信，不管是經濟部或國發會在做對中小企業或者是新創產業相關的協助，這個立意良善，而且我覺得你們在執行面，因為你們不是一般私人企業，你們是公務部門，公務部門要接受審計單位的督導，也要經過立法院的監督，所以最基本的條件要合法合規、合情合理，基本上本席對經濟部跟國發基金是有信心的。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"汪執行秘書庭安","start":"2026-07-01T09:26:23.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:26:23.412000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:26:23.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:26:23.652000+08:00","text":"好，先請回。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:26:23.652000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T09:26:24.872000+08:00","text":"邱求慧署長請留下，商發署署長也請留下。","quality":0.118},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:26:24.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:26:58.513000+08:00","text":"邱署長，有關於扣件傳統產業，你也知道我的選區都是扣件的重要生產基地，不管從路竹、從岡山，一橋之隔、一區之隔就是我們的S廊帶，所以傳統產業跟高科技產業是並存的。","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:26:58.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:27:38.110000+08:00","text":"但是會形成一個強烈的對比，所有鎂光燈的焦點或者世界所有的焦點都集中在半導體的S廊帶，從沙崙一直到楠梓產業園區，基本上變成全世界最重要的IC或半導體相關的設計跟製造中心，但旁邊有很多產業園區，產業園區就是我說的扣件或是鋼鐵等等，怎麼樣讓這些產業更加值化，讓它脫離這個紅海市場，能夠有更多的競爭力？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:27:39.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:28:07.169000+08:00","text":"我覺得你們有做，但是做得還不夠，我想請教邱署長，你們針對扣件，輔導它轉型加值化很久了，特別是跟高科技的AI相結合，這個部分我想聽一下您的意見，還有哪些相對好的做法，讓我們的金屬扣件業能夠有信心？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"邱署長求慧","start":"2026-07-01T09:28:08.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:28:10.921000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委的詢問，我想扣件業可以說算是經濟部最重視的產業之一，龔部長為了扣件業舉辦了好幾場專業的座談會，協助解決他們的問題。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"邱署長求慧","start":"2026-07-01T09:28:11.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:28:41.657000+08:00","text":"當然，它受到一點影響是因為美國232關稅的關係，可是現在我們也爭取到了，如果是汽車的扣件可以適用15%，如果是航太的扣件的話，是免232關稅，所以我們現在的輔導重點就是希望它能夠朝向比較高值化的方向發展。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:28:41.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:28:42.857000+08:00","text":"高值化就兩個領域嘛！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"邱署長求慧","start":"2026-07-01T09:28:43.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:28:45.698000+08:00","text":"對，航太跟汽車。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:28:45.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:28:46.239000+08:00","text":"還有沒有其他的呢？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"邱署長求慧","start":"2026-07-01T09:28:46.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:28:59.103000+08:00","text":"另外就是剛剛委員有關心的，協助它去做一些AI的轉型、低碳的轉型，我們經過盤點，目前已經有協助119家的扣件業者朝這方面去轉型。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱署長求慧","start":"2026-07-01T09:28:59.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:29:01.744000+08:00","text":"我們特別成立了一個扣件的專業輔導團……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:29:01.744000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T09:29:04.326000+08:00","text":"如何協助？","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱署長求慧","start":"2026-07-01T09:29:04.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:29:07.608000+08:00","text":"我們現在是篩選扣件的專家，特別是像金屬中心等等……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:29:08.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:29:17.474000+08:00","text":"或者用經費的挹注，或者我覺得你們要結合財政部，思考怎麼用稅賦的方式在賦稅上面有一些減免，讓他們能夠降低成本。","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:29:18.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:29:27.981000+08:00","text":"這可能要請龔部長再跟財政部做一些協調，對傳統產業、目前經營比較困難的產業，能夠在稅賦上面給予更多的優待。好。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:29:34.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:30:09.147000+08:00","text":"接著請問商發署蘇署長，前幾天有討論到RSU，媒體有很大篇幅的報導，外國用RSU的制度來搶臺灣的高科技人才，這已經是現在進行式，如果我們還跟不上時代，我們還是用RSA，會綁住、會變成誘因不夠，大家都跑到外商企業，變成我們好不容易培育出來的高科技人才，很容易因為制度的落後而被挖角。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:30:10.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:30:13.410000+08:00","text":"對於這種情況，蘇署長，你有沒有什麼想法？","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"蘇署長文玲","start":"2026-07-01T09:30:14.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:30:25.908000+08:00","text":"先跟委員說明，如果現在RSA還是讓企業比較好運用，我們會先處理，但是我們也在同步研議，就是RSU在公司法裡面是不是有可以……","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:30:25.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:30:27.950000+08:00","text":"需要修法嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇署長文玲","start":"2026-07-01T09:30:27.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:30:28.971000+08:00","text":"我們不排除啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇署長文玲","start":"2026-07-01T09:30:29.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:30:30.913000+08:00","text":"但是這個還需要再評估一下，如果……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:30:32.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:31:02.111000+08:00","text":"產業界、高科技業有很大的呼籲，對政府部門也有相關的建議，所以我想我們媒體或者是產業界都有這種呼籲，應該由經濟部主政，跟金管會來做一些討論，看能不能在現階段不用修法的前提之下，導入這個RSU的制度，讓他能夠在人才的競爭上立於平等的地位。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"蘇署長文玲","start":"2026-07-01T09:31:02.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:31:08.693000+08:00","text":"是，委員，我們其實也在想，如果函釋可以解釋的話，其實是可以不用動到修法的。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:31:09.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:31:11.687000+08:00","text":"所以這個部分大概什麼時候可以完成呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇署長文玲","start":"2026-07-01T09:31:12.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:31:12.628000+08:00","text":"我們會儘快處理。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:31:12.628000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T09:31:13.628000+08:00","text":"儘快太抽象，能不能有一個具體時程？","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇署長文玲","start":"2026-07-01T09:31:12.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:31:13.610000+08:00","text":"那委員是不是給我們兩個月的時間？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:31:13.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:31:13.630000+08:00","text":"三個月。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇署長文玲","start":"2026-07-01T09:31:13.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:31:13.810000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-07-01T09:31:13.810000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T09:31:23.549000+08:00","text":"我的時間已經到了，時間總是不夠用，但是作為召委要以身作則，時間到就應該要停止質詢，這是對委員會的尊重，也是對下一位質詢委員的尊重，希望我的這個示範能夠得到共鳴啦！","quality":0.014},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-01T09:31:23.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T09:31:23.549000+08:00","text":"謝謝邱召委。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-01T09:31:24.049000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T09:31:27.191857+08:00","text":"接下來請陳亭妃委員質詢。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":722,"blocks":[["邱委員志偉：（9時22分）謝謝主席，請經濟部龔部長跟國發會葉主委休息一下。部長，我是叫你休息，不是叫你上臺啦。我請經濟部龔部長跟國發會葉主委休息一下，有請商發署蘇署長、中企署李副署長、產發署邱署長、國發基金汪執行秘書。"],["主席：好，請相關部會。"],["邱委員志偉：因為我長期在經濟委員會，知道商發署、中小企業署跟產發署對產業的發展非常重要，如果沒有相關在經費上國家資源的挹注跟協助，很多產業，也不用說無人機，比方說扣件要轉型，如果沒有相關的計畫，沒有相關政府資金的補助跟協助，說實在的，憑他們自己的資金，很難適度的轉型或者開拓海外市場。商發署跟中小企業署，特別是中小企業署對於南部為主的中小企業非常重要，所以你們這些相關的補助，從我當立委至今已經十幾年了，基本上，我都在經濟委員會，所有的補助案都對產業界的發展至關重要，我也希望你們多編一些預算協助產業的發展。補助當然有相關的機制，也有相關的規定，對不對？這個規定跟制度，因為是公務部門，一定非常嚴謹，一定要合法、合規，更要合情、合理。我相信今天有相關補助的，對產業發展至關重要的商發署，蘇署長，在您主政之下，商發署對各項的補助是不是都符合合情、合法、合規？"],["蘇署長文玲：跟委員說明，我們所有的只要是補助方案，最少會以公開的公告去徵案，時間大概是一到兩個月，一定會一個月以上，時間一定足夠。"],["邱委員志偉：所以一定是要合法合規、合情合理，這一點沒有問題。同樣的，中小企業署也是如此，一定要合法合規、合情合理，產發署也是如此。對產業界補助的預算三個單位加起來有好幾百億，沒有你們這樣補助，很多產業轉型真的是很困難。","接著請問國發基金執秘。"],["汪執行秘書庭安：委員好。"],["邱委員志偉：你們國發基金有很多的投資類別，包含一般的企業，還有新創，還有八大主要的產業，最近加入運動部，每一個產業大概100億，對不對？"],["汪執行秘書庭安：是。"],["邱委員志偉：這個當然有相關的審查機制，你對你們目前相關的審查機制、法律部分，你有沒有信心？"],["汪執行秘書庭安：有，絕對有信心。"],["邱委員志偉：絕對禁得起考驗，對不對？"],["汪執行秘書庭安：對。"],["邱委員志偉：我也相信，不管是經濟部或國發會在做對中小企業或者是新創產業相關的協助，這個立意良善，而且我覺得你們在執行面，因為你們不是一般私人企業，你們是公務部門，公務部門要接受審計單位的督導，也要經過立法院的監督，所以最基本的條件要合法合規、合情合理，基本上本席對經濟部跟國發基金是有信心的。"],["汪執行秘書庭安：謝謝委員。"],["邱委員志偉：好，先請回。邱求慧署長請留下，商發署署長也請留下。","邱署長，有關於扣件傳統產業，你也知道我的選區都是扣件的重要生產基地，不管從路竹、從岡山，一橋之隔、一區之隔就是我們的S廊帶，所以傳統產業跟高科技產業是並存的。但是會形成一個強烈的對比，所有鎂光燈的焦點或者世界所有的焦點都集中在半導體的S廊帶，從沙崙一直到楠梓產業園區，基本上變成全世界最重要的IC或半導體相關的設計跟製造中心，但旁邊有很多產業園區，產業園區就是我說的扣件或是鋼鐵等等，怎麼樣讓這些產業更加值化，讓它脫離這個紅海市場，能夠有更多的競爭力？我覺得你們有做，但是做得還不夠，我想請教邱署長，你們針對扣件，輔導它轉型加值化很久了，特別是跟高科技的AI相結合，這個部分我想聽一下您的意見，還有哪些相對好的做法，讓我們的金屬扣件業能夠有信心？"],["邱署長求慧：謝謝召委的詢問，我想扣件業可以說算是經濟部最重視的產業之一，龔部長為了扣件業舉辦了好幾場專業的座談會，協助解決他們的問題。當然，它受到一點影響是因為美國232關稅的關係，可是現在我們也爭取到了，如果是汽車的扣件可以適用15%，如果是航太的扣件的話，是免232關稅，所以我們現在的輔導重點就是希望它能夠朝向比較高值化的方向發展。"],["邱委員志偉：高值化就兩個領域嘛！"],["邱署長求慧：對，航太跟汽車。"],["邱委員志偉：還有沒有其他的呢？"],["邱署長求慧：另外就是剛剛委員有關心的，協助它去做一些AI的轉型、低碳的轉型，我們經過盤點，目前已經有協助119家的扣件業者朝這方面去轉型。我們特別成立了一個扣件的專業輔導團……"],["邱委員志偉：如何協助？"],["邱署長求慧：我們現在是篩選扣件的專家，特別是像金屬中心等等……"],["邱委員志偉：或者用經費的挹注，或者我覺得你們要結合財政部，思考怎麼用稅賦的方式在賦稅上面有一些減免，讓他們能夠降低成本。這可能要請龔部長再跟財政部做一些協調，對傳統產業、目前經營比較困難的產業，能夠在稅賦上面給予更多的優待。"],["邱署長求慧：好。"],["邱委員志偉：接著請問商發署蘇署長，前幾天有討論到RSU，媒體有很大篇幅的報導，外國用RSU的制度來搶臺灣的高科技人才，這已經是現在進行式，如果我們還跟不上時代，我們還是用RSA，會綁住、會變成誘因不夠，大家都跑到外商企業，變成我們好不容易培育出來的高科技人才，很容易因為制度的落後而被挖角。對於這種情況，蘇署長，你有沒有什麼想法？"],["蘇署長文玲：先跟委員說明，如果現在RSA還是讓企業比較好運用，我們會先處理，但是我們也在同步研議，就是RSU在公司法裡面是不是有可以……"],["邱委員志偉：需要修法嗎？"],["蘇署長文玲：我們不排除啦！但是這個還需要再評估一下，如果……"],["邱委員志偉：產業界、高科技業有很大的呼籲，對政府部門也有相關的建議，所以我想我們媒體或者是產業界都有這種呼籲，應該由經濟部主政，跟金管會來做一些討論，看能不能在現階段不用修法的前提之下，導入這個RSU的制度，讓他能夠在人才的競爭上立於平等的地位。"],["蘇署長文玲：是，委員，我們其實也在想，如果函釋可以解釋的話，其實是可以不用動到修法的。"],["邱委員志偉：所以這個部分大概什麼時候可以完成呢？"],["蘇署長文玲：我們會儘快處理。"],["邱委員志偉：儘快太抽象，能不能有一個具體時程？"],["蘇署長文玲：那委員是不是給我們兩個月的時間？"],["邱委員志偉：三個月。"],["蘇署長文玲：好，謝謝。"],["邱委員志偉：我的時間已經到了，時間總是不夠用，但是作為召委要以身作則，時間到就應該要停止質詢，這是對委員會的尊重，也是對下一位質詢委員的尊重，希望我的這個示範能夠得到共鳴啦！"],["主席：謝謝邱召委。","接下來請陳亭妃委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":364,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-19-19","speakers":["洪毓祥","邱議瑩","邱志偉","陳亭妃","楊瓊瓔","謝衣鳯","鄭正鈐","鍾佳濱","鄭天財Sra 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