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外交部次長528到6月1號海委會知道什麼事"},{"start":140.032,"end":166.322,"text":"報告委員,日非談還只是一個意象,它還沒有具體的內容。我知道啦,他們要談什麼,你們就是有一個機制要告訴我們國內單位,他們要開始談了嘛。那這個機制是什麼啦?528,我們沒有一個法定的機制,我們大概都透過跨部會的溝通。我的問題是其他部會,跟這件事情有關的部會,你528知道之後,你們告訴這部會什麼啦?"},{"start":167.842,"end":191.253,"text":"就日費貸正在談這樣的一個問題然後呢?就沒了?那這些單位就沒有反應了?那個海委會有了解到這樣的一個狀況啊海委會說一定會一樣啊對啊啊529、530咧?531咧?我看一下不,現在感覺起來你們知道你們知道你們有機制"},{"start":192.657,"end":212.723,"text":"阿通知阿通知阿這些單位沒有反應到底是怎樣到底哪裡有理報告委員529是禮拜五禮拜六禮拜天阿那怎樣六日怎麼了那我還是有通過這個東西但是海委會他們要出港之前是6月1號不是啦他們是去執法的嘛我是說知識費要討論這件事情還不夠執法的啦人家要討論這個外國人知道外國人做什麼事情啦那個那個"},{"start":223.303,"end":246.915,"text":"報告委員 我們知道了這個事情之後其實菲律賓代表處是有海巡秘書在菲律賓代表處所以他應該收到訊息的時候是有透過管道把這個相關訊息傳給他們的直屬機關也就是海巡署跟海委會那我們這邊知道訊息的狀況是我們拿到了日本跟菲律賓知道的最後一個是我們也去跟他們確認"},{"start":247.995,"end":275.157,"text":"那外交部知道這個訊息是 我們知道這個訊息之後但是海巡署他們知道的訊息是透過他們的海巡的廣告不是海巡署 你在說那大哥還不夠硬的啦日威在討論這件事的時候 他們是執法的啦國內的其他單位啦 你們知道了國內其他單位你們通知他們要準備什麼啦都沒通知 當然是政府啊 今天還要硬的 海巡署要出門"},{"start":276.889,"end":304.302,"text":"因為他們日非告訴我們的狀況都是說他們現在只是在探索這件事情那日非在針對這個話界出來的時候他們自己的執法單位也沒有任何的部署所以我們不可能說因為聽到他們要做什麼我們就直接趕快請海巡署趕快出來部署因為大家的執法部門對方的執法部門也沒有相關的因應反而是你知道你們有什麼機制就對了"},{"start":306.749,"end":327.814,"text":"委員報告,就我的理解是國安會要綜合協調,而且國安會已經在第一時間就協調各部門,然後召開經營相關的會議來進行協助那將各個單位應該要進行協助的事項,有做過一個充分的討論,就我的理解是這樣好,很少看到部長自己出來解釋,部長請回好"},{"start":333.513,"end":344.004,"text":"我也感謝部長出來支援,因為有些內部的機制我們不便透露,國安會當然在後面,我們回報國安會,透過駐菲的代表處"},{"start":348.909,"end":364.26,"text":"他們的這個海巡聯絡官那能夠這個這樣通知那這個也跟委員報告就是說從28號開始我們是掌握這個狀況就是說日非將要談這個化戒的這個事情好啦我知道啦是"},{"start":365.14,"end":390.041,"text":"你就說有機制就好了嘛有機制,國家有機制,你們知道外交部得到訊息進到國家的機制,國家就召集相關的部會嘛這叫批評什麼,大家都有關係嘛所以這農業部會一定也有事情嘛,就有一個機制進來進來都有掌握,都有在溝通,一句說就不會後悔,又大講來講去又說拜六禮拜,你是對還是不對"},{"start":393.766,"end":402.536,"text":"加油啦,真的啦,不然外面一直在說什麼,你們都激怒,說他們在說,他們在說,跟我們無關的喔,還要跟我們說有關的喔,你們兩邊在說要注意到我們喔,這樣不會通啦,加油啦,好不好"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:53:04.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:53:05.715000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我們請外交部陳次長。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-01T10:53:06.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:53:06.856000+08:00","text":"請外交部。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-07-01T10:53:06.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:53:07.096000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:53:07.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:53:08.418000+08:00","text":"次長，這個案子的緣起，是5月28號日菲發表聯合聲明要處理漁權的問題，請問外交部是什麼時候知道這個訊息的？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-07-01T10:53:31.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:53:53.385000+08:00","text":"我們都有持續跟兩國保持溝通，至於日菲因為峰會裡面將要討論兩邊EEZ劃界的問題，他們只是一個意向說要去討論這樣的問題，並不是已經開始討論。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:53:53.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:53:58.687000+08:00","text":"外交部知道之後，有找其他單位去討論日菲要討論的東西嗎？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-07-01T10:54:02.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:54:15.224000+08:00","text":"基本上這個事情，當然我們政府內部大概都會了解，我們跟海委會及相關的、負責的單位都會互動，然後告知他們日菲開始……","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:54:15.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:54:17.406000+08:00","text":"告知的機制是什麼？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-07-01T10:54:19.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:54:22.292000+08:00","text":"跨部會，透過這樣一個機制來做……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:54:22.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:54:23.232000+08:00","text":"什麼樣的機制？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-07-01T10:54:24.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:54:29.755000+08:00","text":"他們有一個律定的機制，我們跟他們會有資訊共享的……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:54:30.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:54:33.157000+08:00","text":"那你判斷其他單位什麼時候會知道？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-07-01T10:54:35.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:54:36.159000+08:00","text":"您是說像海委會嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-07-01T10:54:36.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:54:42.021000+08:00","text":"海委會跟我們外交部得到這些訊息的時間大概不會差的太遠吧！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-07-01T10:54:42.021000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T10:54:43.021000+08:00","text":"大概隔天。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:54:42.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:54:44.543000+08:00","text":"好，當時海委會有做什麼反應嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-07-01T10:54:44.543000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T10:54:45.543000+08:00","text":"海委會有沒有做什麼反應，這應該由海委會來說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:54:45.543000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T10:54:46.543000+08:00","text":"來，海委會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2026-07-01T10:54:46.543000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T10:54:47.543000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2026-07-01T10:54:46.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:55:04.985000+08:00","text":"我們是在6月1號，事實上所有的公務船準備出港之前我們就有掌握。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:55:05.426000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:55:12.053000+08:00","text":"那5月28號日菲談完，到6月1號這個過程中，跟你們沒有關係嘛？","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2026-07-01T10:55:12.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:55:14.917000+08:00","text":"對，我們海巡署在海上執法，我們從6月1號就開始掌握。好。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:55:15.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:55:19.843000+08:00","text":"外交部次長，5月28號到6月1號，海委會知道什麼事？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-07-01T10:55:22.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:55:27.434000+08:00","text":"報告委員，日菲談還只是一個意向，還沒有具體的內容。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:55:27.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:55:34.237000+08:00","text":"我知道，就意向啊，但他們要談什麼你們總是要有一個機制，要告訴我們國內單位他們要開始談了嘛！是。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:55:35.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:55:36.577000+08:00","text":"這個機制是什麼啦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-07-01T10:55:36.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:55:42.980000+08:00","text":"我們沒有一個法定的機制，我們大概都是透過跨部會的溝通告知……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:55:43.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:55:48.302000+08:00","text":"我就問其他跟這件事情有關的部會，你們在528知道之後，告訴這些部會什麼啦？","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-07-01T10:55:49.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:55:53.104000+08:00","text":"就是日菲在正在談這樣的一個問題。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:55:53.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:55:53.384000+08:00","text":"然後呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:55:53.524000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:55:53.804000+08:00","text":"就沒了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:55:55.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:55:56.065000+08:00","text":"這些單位就沒有反應了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-07-01T10:55:58.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:56:00.707000+08:00","text":"海委會有了解到這樣的一個狀況。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:56:00.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:56:06.510000+08:00","text":"海委會說他6月1號知道啊！對啊！那529、530、531咧？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-07-01T10:56:06.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:56:06.950000+08:00","text":"我要看一下……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:56:09.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:56:17.678000+08:00","text":"不是，現在感覺你們知道，也有機制通知，但通知完這些單位沒有反應，到底是怎樣？","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:56:17.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:56:18.078000+08:00","text":"到底哪裡有問題？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-07-01T10:56:18.338000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:56:23.720000+08:00","text":"報告委員，529是禮拜五，然後禮拜六、禮拜天啦！","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:56:24.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:56:25.140000+08:00","text":"那又怎樣，六、日怎麼了？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-07-01T10:56:25.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:56:30.021000+08:00","text":"我們還是有通過這個東西來告知，但是海委會他們要出港之前是6月1號。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:56:30.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:56:31.402000+08:00","text":"不是啦，他們是去執法的嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:56:32.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:56:34.563000+08:00","text":"我是問日菲要討論這件事情，還沒到執法的階段啦，人家要討論這個，外交部知道之後做了什麼事情啦？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"林副司長宏勳","start":"2026-07-01T10:56:45.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:57:02.171000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們知道這個事情之後，其實我們有海巡秘書在菲律賓代表處，所以他收到訊息之後應該有透過管道，把相關訊息傳給他們的直屬機關，也就是海巡署跟海委會。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"林副司長宏勳","start":"2026-07-01T10:57:02.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:57:17.641000+08:00","text":"而我們這邊的狀況是我們拿到了日本跟菲律賓做這個事的訊息後，我們也去跟他們確認，但是海巡署知道的訊息是透過他們海巡的管道……","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:57:17.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:57:20.824000+08:00","text":"不是海巡署，現在你們在說的那個階段，就還沒到他們啦！","quality":0.478},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:57:23.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:57:30.311000+08:00","text":"他們是執法的，我是問國內的其他單位，日菲在討論這件事情的時候，你們知道之後通知他們，國內其他單位要準備什麼啦！","quality":0.58},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:57:30.311000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T10:57:31.992500+08:00","text":"難道不用通知嗎？","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"林副司長宏勳","start":"2026-07-01T10:57:31.992500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T10:57:33.674000+08:00","text":"跟委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:57:33.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:57:37.157000+08:00","text":"然後就等他們開始亂搞了，中共說那是他們的，海巡署這才出門……","quality":0.308},{"speaker":"林副司長宏勳","start":"2026-07-01T10:57:38.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:58:03.961000+08:00","text":"因為日菲告訴我們的狀況是說他們現在只是在探索這件事情，而且日菲在劃界提出來的時候，他們自己的執法單位也沒有任何的部署，所以我們不可能聽到他們要做什麼就直接請海巡署趕快出來部署，因為大家的執法部門、對方的執法部門也沒有相關的因應。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林副司長宏勳","start":"2026-07-01T10:58:03.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:58:04.542000+08:00","text":"反而是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:58:05.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:58:06.282000+08:00","text":"你們都沒有機制就對了？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-01T10:58:08.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:58:26.674000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，就我的理解是國安會要綜合協調，而且國安會已經在第一時間就協調各部門召開相關的會議進行協處，將各個單位應該就要進行協處的事項有做過充分的討論，就我的理解是這樣。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:58:26.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:58:29.694000+08:00","text":"好，很少看到部長自己出來解釋，部長請回。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-07-01T10:58:29.694000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T10:58:32.603500+08:00","text":"他是前國安會長官。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:58:32.603500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T10:58:35.513000+08:00","text":"外交部，你們要加油啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-07-01T10:58:35.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:58:39.077000+08:00","text":"沒有，我們第一時間……也感謝部長出來支援。","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-07-01T10:58:39.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:59:04.959000+08:00","text":"但因為有些內部的機制我們不便透露，國安會當然在後面，如果我們回報國安會，也透過像駐菲代表處的海巡聯絡官來通知……也跟委員報告，從28號開始我們是掌握這個狀況，就是日菲將要談劃界的事情……","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:59:05.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:59:27.978000+08:00","text":"好啦，我知道啦，你就說有機制就好了嘛，國家有機制，你們外交部得到訊息，進到國家的機制，國家就召集相關的部會，這跟漁民之類的大家都有關係嘛，所以農業部一定也有事情，就有一個機制進來，都有掌握、都有在溝通。是。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:59:29.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:59:32.041000+08:00","text":"「一句講都袂曉話」，還在那邊說來說去，還說星期六、禮拜天，你是對還不對？是。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:59:35.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:59:43.615000+08:00","text":"加油，真的啦，不然外面一直說你們都這樣散漫當不要緊的事，日菲講他們的跟我們沒關係，結果到最後才說跟我們有關，所以你們兩邊在談，但要注意到我們，這樣不通啦！是。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-01T10:59:43.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T10:59:44.516000+08:00","text":"加油啦，好不好？是。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席（王委員義川代）","start":"2026-07-01T10:59:45.016000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T10:59:48.158857+08:00","text":"接下來請陳冠廷委員發言。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":556,"blocks":[["王委員義川：（10時53分）謝謝主席，我們請外交部陳次長。"],["主席：請外交部。"],["陳次長明祺：委員早。"],["王委員義川：次長，這個案子的緣起，是5月28號日菲發表聯合聲明要處理漁權的問題，請問外交部是什麼時候知道這個訊息的？"],["陳次長明祺：我們都有持續跟兩國保持溝通，至於日菲因為峰會裡面將要討論兩邊EEZ劃界的問題，他們只是一個意向說要去討論這樣的問題，並不是已經開始討論。"],["王委員義川：外交部知道之後，有找其他單位去討論日菲要討論的東西嗎？"],["陳次長明祺：基本上這個事情，當然我們政府內部大概都會了解，我們跟海委會及相關的、負責的單位都會互動，然後告知他們日菲開始……"],["王委員義川：告知的機制是什麼？"],["陳次長明祺：跨部會，透過這樣一個機制來做……"],["王委員義川：什麼樣的機制？"],["陳次長明祺：他們有一個律定的機制，我們跟他們會有資訊共享的……"],["王委員義川：那你判斷其他單位什麼時候會知道？"],["陳次長明祺：您是說像海委會嗎？海委會跟我們外交部得到這些訊息的時間大概不會差的太遠吧！大概隔天。"],["王委員義川：好，當時海委會有做什麼反應嗎？"],["陳次長明祺：海委會有沒有做什麼反應，這應該由海委會來說明。"],["王委員義川：來，海委會。"],["謝副署長慶欽：委員好。我們是在6月1號，事實上所有的公務船準備出港之前我們就有掌握。"],["王委員義川：那5月28號日菲談完，到6月1號這個過程中，跟你們沒有關係嘛？"],["謝副署長慶欽：對，我們海巡署在海上執法，我們從6月1號就開始掌握。"],["王委員義川：好。外交部次長，5月28號到6月1號，海委會知道什麼事？"],["陳次長明祺：報告委員，日菲談還只是一個意向，還沒有具體的內容。"],["王委員義川：我知道，就意向啊，但他們要談什麼你們總是要有一個機制，要告訴我們國內單位他們要開始談了嘛！"],["陳次長明祺：是。"],["王委員義川：這個機制是什麼啦？"],["陳次長明祺：我們沒有一個法定的機制，我們大概都是透過跨部會的溝通告知……"],["王委員義川：我就問其他跟這件事情有關的部會，你們在528知道之後，告訴這些部會什麼啦？"],["陳次長明祺：就是日菲在正在談這樣的一個問題。"],["王委員義川：然後呢？就沒了？這些單位就沒有反應了？"],["陳次長明祺：海委會有了解到這樣的一個狀況。"],["王委員義川：海委會說他6月1號知道啊！"],["陳次長明祺：對啊！"],["王委員義川：那529、530、531咧？"],["陳次長明祺：我要看一下……"],["王委員義川：不是，現在感覺你們知道，也有機制通知，但通知完這些單位沒有反應，到底是怎樣？到底哪裡有問題？"],["陳次長明祺：報告委員，529是禮拜五，然後禮拜六、禮拜天啦！"],["王委員義川：那又怎樣，六、日怎麼了？"],["陳次長明祺：我們還是有通過這個東西來告知，但是海委會他們要出港之前是6月1號。"],["王委員義川：不是啦，他們是去執法的嘛！我是問日菲要討論這件事情，還沒到執法的階段啦，人家要討論這個，外交部知道之後做了什麼事情啦？"],["林副司長宏勳：報告委員，我們知道這個事情之後，其實我們有海巡秘書在菲律賓代表處，所以他收到訊息之後應該有透過管道，把相關訊息傳給他們的直屬機關，也就是海巡署跟海委會。而我們這邊的狀況是我們拿到了日本跟菲律賓做這個事的訊息後，我們也去跟他們確認，但是海巡署知道的訊息是透過他們海巡的管道……"],["王委員義川：不是海巡署，現在你們在說的那個階段，就還沒到他們啦！他們是執法的，我是問國內的其他單位，日菲在討論這件事情的時候，你們知道之後通知他們，國內其他單位要準備什麼啦！難道不用通知嗎？"],["林副司長宏勳：跟委員……"],["王委員義川：然後就等他們開始亂搞了，中共說那是他們的，海巡署這才出門……"],["林副司長宏勳：因為日菲告訴我們的狀況是說他們現在只是在探索這件事情，而且日菲在劃界提出來的時候，他們自己的執法單位也沒有任何的部署，所以我們不可能聽到他們要做什麼就直接請海巡署趕快出來部署，因為大家的執法部門、對方的執法部門也沒有相關的因應。反而是……"],["王委員義川：你們都沒有機制就對了？"],["顧部長立雄：跟委員報告，就我的理解是國安會要綜合協調，而且國安會已經在第一時間就協調各部門召開相關的會議進行協處，將各個單位應該就要進行協處的事項有做過充分的討論，就我的理解是這樣。"],["王委員義川：好，很少看到部長自己出來解釋，部長請回。"],["陳次長明祺：他是前國安會長官。"],["王委員義川：外交部，你們要加油啦！"],["陳次長明祺：沒有，我們第一時間……也感謝部長出來支援。但因為有些內部的機制我們不便透露，國安會當然在後面，如果我們回報國安會，也透過像駐菲代表處的海巡聯絡官來通知……也跟委員報告，從28號開始我們是掌握這個狀況，就是日菲將要談劃界的事情……"],["王委員義川：好啦，我知道啦，你就說有機制就好了嘛，國家有機制，你們外交部得到訊息，進到國家的機制，國家就召集相關的部會，這跟漁民之類的大家都有關係嘛，所以農業部一定也有事情，就有一個機制進來，都有掌握、都有在溝通。"],["陳次長明祺：是。"],["王委員義川：「一句講都袂曉話」，還在那邊說來說去，還說星期六、禮拜天，你是對還不對？"],["陳次長明祺：是。"],["王委員義川：加油，真的啦，不然外面一直說你們都這樣散漫當不要緊的事，日菲講他們的跟我們沒關係，結果到最後才說跟我們有關，所以你們兩邊在談，但要注意到我們，這樣不通啦！"],["陳次長明祺：是。"],["王委員義川：加油啦，好不好？"],["陳次長明祺：是。"],["主席（王委員義川代）：接下來請陳冠廷委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":386,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-35-24","speakers":["陳冠廷","陳俊宇","羅美玲","陳永康","王定宇","林楚茵","陳雪生","馬文君","王義川","沈伯洋","牛煦庭","王安祥","許忠信","鍾佳濱","黃建賓","賴士葆","翁曉玲","郭昱晴","黃仁","邱志偉"],"page_start":313,"meetingDate":["2026-07-01"],"gazette_id":"1155601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1155601_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第24次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請國防部、外交部、海洋委員會海巡署、大陸委員會報告「中國船舶常態化巡弋我國海域之因\n應作為」，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1155601_00003"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}