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這個還有九部的執法你們要訂定嘛那所以從昨天三讀通過到這個九部的執法這空窗期待有多久"},{"start":36.983,"end":57.362,"text":"其實也沒有像委員講的那麼大,因為我們其實...沒有,我是問你有多久啦沒有,我們按照我們這個法制作業,我們必須要六個月之內把這個訂完最晚到年底年底,所以年底九部的執法就會訂定完那執法只要是金管會通過就可以了嗎?還要送立法院備查送立法院備查,好"},{"start":58.583,"end":73.419,"text":"那這個空窗期的話那對於這些業者來講他們有什麼要去遵循的地方嗎其實現在空窗期其實沒有空窗期就按照我們現在登記制的這個規定在做還有就是我們現在的話因為主要是整個執法過程當中要需要很多社會溝通"},{"start":74.4,"end":100.954,"text":"那我們基本上我們整個執法在當初立法就已經開始在做準備不是從現在才開始我們現在執法大概架構條文大概基本上都有接下來就開始要密集的召開相關的溝通會議那因為我們在這個審查這個一個虛擬資產服務法的時候其實有規定的一些資本額內控的一些制度資產系統等等門檻都比較高那這樣子會不會造成說現有的一些比較小型的交易所"},{"start":102.177,"end":109.205,"text":"這個無力負擔然後呢這個被迫歇業或是說被這個比較大的這一個有可能被金融機構合併"},{"start":110.511,"end":131.362,"text":"我們其實不希望這樣所以我們在那個立法過程當中大家很關切我們把那個未來的那個銜接期調整期那給一個非常合理的期間我們希望他們都能夠那個未來穩定的上路就你那時候是到兩年嗎還是就一年半在家那個一年半在家"},{"start":132.914,"end":161.902,"text":"9加12加3大概兩年的時間這段時間因為我們其實上現在這些已經經過我們從原來的聲明制進入到這個登記制已經經過我們一個審核他也開始籌組工會對整個運作應該都一定的這些的制度了所以我們也期待他們多努力我們整個在相關的這些辦法裡面我們也會跟這個社會各界充分的溝通"},{"start":162.662,"end":187.595,"text":"一樣,那對於這個在海外的這些平台呢?要怎麼去做落地的管理?這個我們專法通過以後是個很重要的里程碑就是說我們一個很簡單叫做國民待遇原則我們對國人怎麼規範理論上來講應該你就要按照這個相同的標準那否則產生我們這個特許產生失靈的問題就很麻煩所以我們這裡面我們會參酌其他國家"},{"start":189.876,"end":214.993,"text":"過去在這個VASP落地的時候世界各國他們在過去依序的也訂定相關的門檻就是這個所謂的這些法制那這些跨國的這些的所謂的虛擬資產服務商他就必須按照各國的規定我們的規定我們現在這個虛擬資產服務法已經通過了那對於這個海外的這些幣商這些平台要怎麼去做管理"},{"start":215.75,"end":236.713,"text":"對,所以我剛剛講說要用國民貸易原則,他以後要在台灣得到服務的話那有沒有一個什麼期限啊?對,這部分的話我們也期待說在這個過程當中趕快的就來跟他們做討論還有說沒有的話,我們會照參考其他國家的做法慢慢的規範化他們在台灣選擇那你有沒有一個設定的期限啊?"},{"start":237.853,"end":264.544,"text":"極限當然就是假設我們真的這個法律生效以後已經生效了不是嗎沒有沒有要等到執法通過這個是規定在執法裡面的對這部分他就按照這個規定所以就是半年的時間你們希望他們能夠來申請落地管理就把這個遊戲規則明確化完全就是半年的時間嘛那請教一下最近這兩個月我不曉得是不是台股交易比較熱絡"},{"start":265.844,"end":286.296,"text":"那所以有一些這個券商,不論是大券商小券商,他們的這個APP系統都發生了問題那你們有沒有去做這一個管理,有沒有去做這個監察?謝謝委員,這是我們從今年應該講說我們大概規模開始擴大以後,我們就非常在意這件事情還是發生了一些事情"},{"start":288.177,"end":307.167,"text":"那我也有注意到一件事情就是說我們開始強力要求他們我們請交易所開始呢其實我們一路的緊盯也希望說他們在系統能夠升級那我剛才講過就是說那要求系統升級那個是你有強制規定嗎因為現在系統很多九成以上都是委外的"},{"start":308.223,"end":322.797,"text":"對不對那你怎麼要求這個系統升級呢包括你自己跟委外這個都會未來我們就是要來做一個規範我意思是說你們要做什麼規範因為好幾家出現了有大的有小的都有裁罰嗎"},{"start":327.077,"end":342.904,"text":"這個都會按照規定來處理對啊 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有那數量大概是多少其實今天評議中心沒有來因為我們才剛剛開過那個消費者那個保護會議啦裡面我會請我們那個負責這個督導評議中心的林處長來跟委員簡單說明一下這個來這個我們這個金融消費評議中心來申訴有多少"},{"start":487.299,"end":507.507,"text":"跟委員報告他申訴的案件數應該是蠻多的那因為我那天有記下單一下子沒有辦法準確的回答你蠻多是多少有上百件還是上千件那個委員你跟我說報告一下申訴是有但是評議很少因為公司都有躲上去處理所以評議案件很少申訴公司都去處理了"},{"start":508.307,"end":535.135,"text":"是因為是這個有去處理還是說有去處理還是說因為我們要很多的一些比如說什麼要當機畫面要馬上截圖啊然後還要嘗試說證明說你有嘗試用其他的管道啊變成說你真的要承擔很少跟文報告好了其實確實當初發生的時候平均中心有跟我報告是說他本身勝訴案卻蠻多的但是那一天我們在開那個消費者督導匯報的時候他們平均中心有說明公司都"},{"start":536.115,"end":561.55,"text":"民眾如果有事他都會主動去處理那你那個案件你查一下對 等一下就我再跟委員辦公室報告一下案件處理我意思是說到底是有去處理還是說因為你要去那個你要呈現一些證據那些證據很難呈現出來啊搞不好也是因為這樣的原因文納會後我再把數字再跟委員辦公室報告一下那印象是多少 上百我還是在公開查我還是確定說再跟辦公室報告一下那你查一下 等一下跟我說一下我再跟主任報告一下"},{"start":563.971,"end":583.798,"text":"確實是因為他不會進入到評議 因為公司立刻這個事件非常明確直接就處理 因為是公司的原因所以這部分他會來申訴 申訴公司對啦 我也有說到底是有去處理還是說因為要一些證據 這些證據很難呈現出來就變成說我們評議中心可能也沒辦法去接受"},{"start":589.12,"end":598.725,"text":"深數是第一線他發生有爭議的時候但是他們如果能夠處理掉就不會進入到平益我問最後一個問題那個ETF現在主動被動的這個ETF收益人現在高達1500多萬那我再請教一下主委"},{"start":608.751,"end":633.707,"text":"我們現在這一個ETF的這一個因為我們有除息的一個交易日跟這個配息的發放日的時間大概都要三個禮拜這個時間有辦法再縮短嗎這個我可不可以請一下我們那個同仁因為很抱歉簡短說明 趕快做個說明有嗎對啊我只問說時間能不能縮短因為三個禮拜時間很長那很多人是靠這些配息的"},{"start":634.74,"end":662.897,"text":"我們事後再就這整個配發的流程再做檢討看看還有沒有縮短的空間那我問主委有沒有縮短的空間因為三個禮拜真的蠻長的如果問我的話我都覺得說我們假設是一個有效率的市場能夠更具效率化應該就是應該是往這個方向走那就是時間可以再縮短想辦法再把時間縮短因為任何一個時間拖長都是交易成本"},{"start":663.277,"end":671.217,"text":"對啊 那你們要想辦法時間再縮短做一個報告給我好不好我就請他們演繹好 謝謝李昆城委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:47:29.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:47:32.160000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝主席，請彭主委。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席（吳委員秉叡）","start":"2026-07-01T11:47:33.102000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:47:33.903000+08:00","text":"請金管會彭主委。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:47:33.903000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T11:47:38.475000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:47:38.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:47:38.675000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:47:40.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:47:42.236000+08:00","text":"虛擬資產服務法昨天三讀通過……","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:47:42.236000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T11:47:44.538000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員支持。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:47:44.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:47:54.503000+08:00","text":"三讀通過之後，你們還有9部子法要訂定，請問從昨天三讀通過到9部子法完成，空窗期大概多久？","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:47:54.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:47:57.826000+08:00","text":"其實也沒有像委員講的那麼大，因為我們……","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:47:57.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:47:59.227000+08:00","text":"沒有，我是問你多久啦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:48:00.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:48:05.313000+08:00","text":"按照法制作業，我們必須在六個月之內訂定完成，最晚到年底。年底？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:48:05.313000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T11:48:06.313000+08:00","text":"對，最晚、最晚。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:48:05.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:48:09.596000+08:00","text":"所以年底這9部子法就會訂定完成？對。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:48:10.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:48:12.939000+08:00","text":"子法只要金管會通過就可以了嗎？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:48:12.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:48:13.900000+08:00","text":"還要送立法院備查。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:48:14.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:48:15.342000+08:00","text":"送立法院備查，好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:48:16.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:48:20.547000+08:00","text":"那這個空窗期，對於業者來講，有什麼要遵循的地方？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:48:22.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:48:46.327000+08:00","text":"其實沒有空窗期，就按照我們現在登記制的規定做，還有因為整個子法訂定的過程中，有很多需要和社會溝通，基本上，整個子法在當初立法時我們就已經開始準備，不是從現在才開始，所以現在子法的架構、條文基本上大概都有，接下來就要開始密集召開相關的溝通會議。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:48:46.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:49:07.205000+08:00","text":"我們在審查虛擬資產服務法的時候，其實有規定一些資本額、內控制度、資安系統等等，門檻都比較高，這樣會不會造成現有的一些比較小型的交易所無力負擔，然後被迫歇業，或是被比較大的，譬如金融機構合併？","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:49:08.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:49:23.779000+08:00","text":"我們其實不希望這樣，所以在立法過程中，大家都很關切，我們給了未來的銜接期、調整期一個非常合理的期間，希望他們未來都能夠穩定上路。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:49:24.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:49:25.640000+08:00","text":"我記得那時候是說到兩年，還是……","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:49:26.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:49:28.801000+08:00","text":"對，就一年半，再加那個……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:49:28.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:49:29.062000+08:00","text":"一年半再加……9加12加3。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:49:30.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:49:36.656000+08:00","text":"9加12加3，大概就是兩年的時間。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:49:37.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:49:59.882000+08:00","text":"對，因為現在這些服務商是從原來的聲明制進入到登記制，已經經過我們的審核，也開始籌組公會，對整個運作應該都有一定的制度，所以我們也期待他們多努力，而我們在整個相關辦法裡，也會跟社會各界充分溝通。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:50:00.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:50:07.366000+08:00","text":"好，那一樣，對於在海外的這些平臺，要怎麼去做落地管理？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:50:07.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:50:45.828000+08:00","text":"我們專法通過以後，這是個很重要的里程碑，就是一個很簡單的原則，叫做國民待遇原則，我們對國人怎麼規範，理論上來講，你就應該按照這個相同的標準，否則如果因為我們的特許而產生失靈的問題，那就很麻煩，所以我們會參酌其他國家做法，因為過去在VASP落地的時候，世界各國依序也都有訂定相關門檻，就是所謂的這些法制，而這些跨國的所謂虛擬資產服務商，就必須按照各國的規定……","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:50:46.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:50:52.973000+08:00","text":"對，依照我們的規定，現在虛擬資產服務法通過後，海外的這些幣商、平臺要怎麼去做管理？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:50:53.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:50:58.796000+08:00","text":"所以我剛才說要用國民待遇原則，他以後要在臺灣得到服務的話……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:50:58.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:50:59.657000+08:00","text":"有沒有一個什麼期限？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:51:01.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:51:13.151000+08:00","text":"這部分的話，我們也期待在這個過程當中，趕快跟他們討論，還有如果沒有的話，我們也會參考其他國家的做法，慢慢規範他們在臺灣……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:51:13.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:51:14.512000+08:00","text":"有沒有設定一個期限？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:51:15.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:51:19.455000+08:00","text":"期限當然就是假設我們這個法律生效以後……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:51:20.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:51:21.175000+08:00","text":"已經生效了不是嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:51:21.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:51:24.737000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有，要等到子法通過……噢！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:51:24.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:51:25.757000+08:00","text":"這個是規定在子法裡面？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:51:27.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:51:29.118000+08:00","text":"對，這部分就是按照這個規定……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:51:30.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:51:31.399000+08:00","text":"那就是半年的時間啊！對、對。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:51:31.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:51:34.220000+08:00","text":"所以半年的時間，你希望他們能夠來申請落地管理？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:51:34.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:51:35.041000+08:00","text":"就是把遊戲規則明確化。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:51:36.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:51:37.042000+08:00","text":"那就是半年的時間嘛！對。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:51:39.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:51:53.950000+08:00","text":"好，再請教主委，最近這一、兩個月，不曉得是不是臺股交易比較熱絡，有一些券商，不論是大券商、小券商，他們的app系統都發生了問題，這部分你們有沒有去做管理、有沒有去做監察？","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:51:54.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:52:02.255000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，我們從今年規模開始擴大以後就非常在意這件事情……","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:52:03.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:52:04.016000+08:00","text":"但還是發生了一些問題。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:52:06.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:52:17.643000+08:00","text":"但是後面委員應該有注意到一件事情，就是我們開始強力要求他們，我請交易所開始一路緊盯，也希望他們的系統能夠升級，我剛才講過，就是……","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:52:18.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:52:22.365000+08:00","text":"要求系統升級，這有強制規定嗎？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:52:22.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:52:27.624000+08:00","text":"現在的系統很多、九成以上都是委外，對不對？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:52:27.624000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T11:52:28.624000+08:00","text":"對，這當然也包括……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:52:27.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:52:29.206000+08:00","text":"那你怎麼要求系統升級？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:52:30.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:52:36.373000+08:00","text":"對，就包括他們自己和委外部分，這個未來我們都會做一個規範。","quality":0.654},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:52:36.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:52:37.674000+08:00","text":"對，我就是問你們做了什麼規範？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:52:37.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:52:39.996000+08:00","text":"因為好幾家出現問題，有大的、有小的……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:52:39.996000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T11:52:40.996000+08:00","text":"對，各種的狀況。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:52:40.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:52:40.797000+08:00","text":"都有裁罰嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:52:45.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:52:46.237000+08:00","text":"這個都會按照規定處理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:52:47.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:53:00.904000+08:00","text":"我的意思是，你現在希望他們系統升級，有一些大的可能自己可以升級，而他們也的確有在做，但是我說九成以上都是委外，那你是要求他們委外的系統升級，還是他們自己內部的系統要升級？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:53:02.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:53:08.667000+08:00","text":"金融監理是這樣，你要委外就等於是你在做，那你就要為他負責，所以我們當然會要求他們一致都要做到這件事。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:53:10.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:53:25.194000+08:00","text":"過去我們同仁在管理市場時也曾跟我說，因為券商的規模有大有小，有些券商規模相對比較小，資訊能力比較弱，所以我們也請交易所看有什麼辦法來解決這個結構性的問題。","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:53:27.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:53:29.636000+08:00","text":"要怎麼解決結構性的問題？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:53:29.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:53:31.077000+08:00","text":"你要設一個公版嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:53:31.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:53:38.320000+08:00","text":"還是要求他們在一定的時間內必須升級到什麼樣的狀況，或可以達到你們的標準？","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:53:38.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:53:53.428000+08:00","text":"其實公會都有跟我們溝通，也提出各種想法，包括剛才委員提到的公版有沒有可能等，針對這個部分，我是覺得只要能夠提升整個交易系統的效率跟安全、穩定，我們都可以來研議看看，因為這個也確實……","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:53:56.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:54:04.838000+08:00","text":"問題發生到現在已經兩個多月的時間了，我不曉得是他們內部銜接的問題，還是臺股交易太熱，大家要買？","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:54:04.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:54:08.061000+08:00","text":"結果變成有人想要買，買不到；有人想要賣，賣不出去。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:54:08.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:54:17.130000+08:00","text":"基本上，從過去的經驗來看，倒也不會這樣，只是時間有些延遲，還有就是確實那些狀況我們都知道是什麼原因產生，比較……對啦！","quality":0.843},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:54:17.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:54:19.931000+08:00","text":"我是說你們有沒有比較具體的要求？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:54:20.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:54:32.238000+08:00","text":"這有，我們已經開始要來強力要求，我會請證期局跟交易所討論要怎麼樣幫我們整個證券交易系統升級……","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:54:32.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:54:33.919000+08:00","text":"系統升級？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:54:33.919000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T11:54:34.919000+08:00","text":"對、對、對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:54:33.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:54:35.500000+08:00","text":"那總要有個期限出來啊？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:54:37.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:54:38.577000+08:00","text":"這我會訂好，再跟委員報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:54:39.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:54:49.585000+08:00","text":"不是，看你是要三個月把規定訂出來，還是怎麼樣，總是要有個期限出來，不然你現在跟我講，我也不知道你到底要怎麼做，然後系統要怎麼升級？","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:54:49.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:54:59.131000+08:00","text":"我想今天必須請委員體諒，我沒有辦法告訴你要多久時間，但是我會儘快把相關內容再跟委員做書面說明。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:55:00.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:55:06.101000+08:00","text":"好，那有人因為這樣而去跟金融消費評議中心申訴嗎？有。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:55:07.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:55:07.683000+08:00","text":"數量大概多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:55:08.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:55:19.274000+08:00","text":"今天評議中心沒有來，但因為我們才剛剛開過消費者保護會議，我請負責督導評議中心的林處長跟委員簡單說明。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:55:20.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:55:21.576000+08:00","text":"好，來金融消費評議中心申訴的有多少？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林處長志憲","start":"2026-07-01T11:55:25.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:55:32.042000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，申訴的案件數應該是蠻多的，我那天有記一下，但一下子沒有辦法準確回答，但是……","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:55:33.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:55:33.682000+08:00","text":"蠻多是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:55:34.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:55:35.663000+08:00","text":"上百件還是上千件？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林處長志憲","start":"2026-07-01T11:55:36.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:55:45.487000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，申訴案是有，但評議很少，因為公司都有妥善處理，所以評議案件很少，申訴時公司都去處理了。","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:55:46.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:55:49.188000+08:00","text":"是因為有去處理，還是說……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林處長志憲","start":"2026-07-01T11:55:49.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:55:49.628000+08:00","text":"有去處理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:55:49.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:55:55.010000+08:00","text":"還是因為我們要求很多條件，比如當機畫面要馬上截圖……","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"林處長志憲","start":"2026-07-01T11:55:55.010000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T11:55:56.050000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:55:56.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:56:01.651000+08:00","text":"還有要證明你有嘗試用其他管道，所以真的成案的案件很少。","quality":0.68},{"speaker":"林處長志憲","start":"2026-07-01T11:56:01.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:56:15.876000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，確實當初發生的時候，評議中心跟我們報告申訴案件蠻多的，但那天我們開消費者督導會報的時候，評議中心也有說明，表示如果民眾有申訴，公司都會主動去處理。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:56:16.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:56:17.377000+08:00","text":"那案件數你查一下……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林處長志憲","start":"2026-07-01T11:56:17.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:56:19.298000+08:00","text":"等一下我再跟委員辦公室報告案件數。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:56:19.298000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T11:56:20.298000+08:00","text":"對，跟我的辦公室講一下，我的問題是到底是有去處理，還是說……","quality":0.08},{"speaker":"林處長志憲","start":"2026-07-01T11:56:20.298000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T11:56:21.298000+08:00","text":"沒問題、沒問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:56:21.298000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T11:56:22.298000+08:00","text":"因為要呈現一些證據，而那些證據很難呈現出來，搞不好也是因為這樣的原因。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林處長志憲","start":"2026-07-01T11:56:22.298000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T11:56:23.298000+08:00","text":"委員，會後我再把數字跟委員辦公室報告。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:56:23.298000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T11:56:24.298000+08:00","text":"你的印象中大概是多少？上百？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林處長志憲","start":"2026-07-01T11:56:24.298000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T11:56:25.298000+08:00","text":"在公開場合，我還是確認之後再跟辦公室報告。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:56:25.298000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T11:56:26.298000+08:00","text":"好，那你查一下，等一下跟我說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林處長志憲","start":"2026-07-01T11:56:26.298000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T11:56:27.298000+08:00","text":"可以，我們會跟主任報告。好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:56:27.298000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T11:56:28.298000+08:00","text":"確實案件比較不會進入評議，因為事件非常明確，是公司的原因，所以公司就直接處理，這部分他們來申訴，申訴之後，公司就……對啦！","quality":0.077},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:56:19.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:57:01.778000+08:00","text":"我的意思是到底是有去處理，還是說因為需要一些證據，而這些證據很難呈現出來，就變成評議中心可能也沒辦法接受，我不知道是哪個原因啦！","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:57:07.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:57:12.323000+08:00","text":"不是，申訴是第一線發生有爭議的時候，如果他們能夠處理掉，就不會進入到評議，我們剛才講的那個……","quality":0.61},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:57:12.323000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T11:57:14.004000+08:00","text":"好，沒關係，那就等處長的資料。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:57:14.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:57:36.577000+08:00","text":"我問最後一個問題，現在主動、被動ETF的受益人高達一千五百多萬人，但我們的除息交易日跟配息發放日時間大概都需要三個禮拜，請問這個時間有辦法縮短嗎？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:57:36.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:57:42.341000+08:00","text":"這個可不可以請我們同仁，因為很抱歉……","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:57:42.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:57:47.744000+08:00","text":"好，簡短說明，我只問時間能不能縮短？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:57:47.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:57:51.687000+08:00","text":"因為三個禮拜的時間很長，很多人是靠這些配息的。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"高局長晶萍","start":"2026-07-01T11:57:52.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:58:00.545000+08:00","text":"我們之後會就整個配發流程再做檢討，看看還有沒有縮短的空間。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:58:00.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:58:04.347000+08:00","text":"沒有，我是問主委有沒有縮短的空間，因為三個禮拜真的滿長的。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:58:04.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:58:14.953000+08:00","text":"如果是問我的話，我都覺得假設是讓一個有效率的市場能夠更具效率，就應該往這個方向走。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:58:15.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:58:16.214000+08:00","text":"那就是時間可以再縮短？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:58:16.214000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T11:58:17.214000+08:00","text":"對，如果是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:58:16.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:58:18.075000+08:00","text":"想辦法再把時間縮短嘛！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:58:18.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:58:21.277000+08:00","text":"因為任何一個時間拖長，都是交易成本。對啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:58:22.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:58:25.688000+08:00","text":"你們要想辦法把時間再縮短，然後做一個報告給我，好不好？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T11:58:26.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:58:26.731000+08:00","text":"好，我請他們研議。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-01T11:58:27.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:58:28.355000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，謝謝主席。謝謝。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-01T11:58:28.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T11:58:29.217000+08:00","text":"謝謝李坤城委員。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-01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