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是那麼你們評估期間要多久你的報告沒有講說護評的時間要多久"},{"start":230.552,"end":251.249,"text":"是我想這個部分我們會儘速來答覆儘快大概多數大概我們如果這樣子我們大概七月七月底之前我們儘快就可以提出來是那我們七月底提出來我們還會提到一個後續的法制的調整要調整哪一些後續法制的調整"},{"start":252.898,"end":261.508,"text":"我想這個後續法制的調整,我想那個金管會應該都準備好了因為時間到,我跟昭偉都是學法律的我們按照時間來,謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-01T12:04:41.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:04:43.265000+08:00","text":"主席、各位同仁，有請彭主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-01T12:04:43.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:04:43.866000+08:00","text":"請金管會彭主委。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T12:04:43.866000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T12:04:44.866000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-01T12:04:43.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:04:45.548000+08:00","text":"主委好，你的報告有提到被動式的債券ETF一年的交易大概2兆元，主動的有多少？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T12:05:09.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:05:13.803000+08:00","text":"委員抱歉，我沒有記這個數字，我請同仁查到後趕快跟你說明。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-01T12:05:14.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:05:23.467000+08:00","text":"如果現在查得到，因為你們一定都有資料，一年有多少？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T12:05:24.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:05:25.968000+08:00","text":"114年底我們被動債券ETF大概3兆165億元，115年5月是二兆九千八百多億元。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-01T12:05:25.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:05:25.988000+08:00","text":"主動的呢？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-07-01T12:05:35.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:05:44.533000+08:00","text":"主動債券的檔數少很多，大概169億元左右，金額差距滿大的。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-01T12:05:45.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:05:48.073000+08:00","text":"謝謝，有請財政部陳次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-01T12:05:48.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:05:49.213000+08:00","text":"請財政部陳次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長勇勝","start":"2026-07-01T12:05:49.213000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-01T12:05:50.213000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-01T12:05:49.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:06:30.722000+08:00","text":"次長好，你的報告我仔細去讀，但是你似乎有所苦衷，欲言又止，你不敢講很詳細的東西，但是你最後四個字：希望財政部所提出來經過行政院的版本，能夠跟本院兩位很優秀的委員所提出證券交易稅的版本「併案審查」，根據我以前的經驗，併案審查表示財政部跟這兩位委員的意見有不同，這是我個人的經驗。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-01T12:06:36.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:06:46.687000+08:00","text":"你能不能簡單回答，主動、被動全部納入免稅，政府一年的稅收會減收多少？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳次長勇勝","start":"2026-07-01T12:06:48.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:07:06.831000+08:00","text":"先回答剛剛委員第一個問題，因為這個部分涉及到財政紀律法跟我們稅式支出評估的第六點，這個部分必須要金管會提出整個稅式支出評估報告，我們會做後續的複評。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-01T12:07:07.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:07:12.314000+08:00","text":"以我對次長的了解，次長非常的專業，你一定知道稅收會影響多少。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳次長勇勝","start":"2026-07-01T12:07:13.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:07:21.399000+08:00","text":"我們這部分的影響計算有最初收入損失法和最終收入損失法。","quality":0.577},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-01T12:07:23.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:07:23.820000+08:00","text":"金額大概多少？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳次長勇勝","start":"2026-07-01T12:07:24.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:07:33.464000+08:00","text":"稅損的部分金管會都已經提出來了，它已經提供給我們，以目前來看，整體而言……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-01T12:07:34.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:07:40.967000+08:00","text":"金管會說總稅收增加，但是就這個項目納入免稅所減收的稅收有多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長勇勝","start":"2026-07-01T12:07:42.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:07:48.810000+08:00","text":"整體而言，從最初或最終來看，以金管會的評估是會增加歲入。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-01T12:07:49.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:07:55.473000+08:00","text":"那是總體而言，但是我要知道納入主動會影響我們稅收多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長勇勝","start":"2026-07-01T12:07:56.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:07:59.726000+08:00","text":"我們的稅損大概會有1、200億元左右。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-01T12:08:01.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:08:04.609000+08:00","text":"所以你不敢言，要我來請教你，你才會報告出來。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳次長勇勝","start":"2026-07-01T12:08:09.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:08:15.335000+08:00","text":"我剛剛一直強調的，稅損的估算有最初和最終的模式，要整體評估來看。","quality":0.724},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-01T12:08:16.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:08:17.877000+08:00","text":"這是你很專業的地方。不敢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-01T12:08:19.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-01T12:08:21.179000+08:00","text":"你們評估期間要多久？","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-01T12:08:21.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end"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