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對那個當然不是強制的啦就是你有需要來提那第二個是我們去年開始也有育兒指導員的這個培育那這些育兒指導員主要"},{"start":594.605,"end":622.884,"text":"去年是只針對低收入戶跟中低收入戶為對象那今年開始我們把它擴大到從那個懷孕七個月以上的爸媽到六歲以下當然以這個一歲以下先優先啦那我這邊講一下啊不再受限於說是低收入戶跟中低收入戶我這邊給你一些建議啦那我們未來會逐步擴大我們去研究了一下芬蘭的這個醫療保健跟兒童福利政策它是明確的入法所以每一個小寶寶出生前"},{"start":624.505,"end":638.881,"text":"他就要有育兒指導員帶著這個芬蘭香去訪視包括他家廚房啊 浴室啊或者是他睡覺的環境有沒有什麼問題在出生前就去出生後再去一次那當然你現在可能覺得育兒指導員還不足"},{"start":639.542,"end":668.491,"text":"你幫自己訂的KPI我也覺得有點低畢竟少子化你這樣子115年到119年5%到50%其實是有點低我是想建議您就是育兒指導員當然退家中低收入戶還要再加上早產兒的家庭以及高風險認成比如說認成糖尿病認成高血壓等等最終是希望你擴大到所有的家庭那一個月內可不可以延你"},{"start":669.411,"end":688.385,"text":"我想這個很謝謝這個委員一個提醒當然我們的量能現在還有限是逐步那麼我們預算今年是將近9000多萬那明年我們希望再爭取更高的這個經費來支持這個育兒指導員但是在有限的資源下我們來訂一些Priority"},{"start":689.045,"end":715.992,"text":"哪一些像剛剛你提到的哪一些先優先同時先從新生兒開始因為我們現在訂的範圍很大六十歲以下都可以來申請那我們就先從這個新生兒但其實它有個重點出生前去看一次是非常重要的所以你應該把這個育兒訪視員我們好好的來研究一下包含您提的那個芬蘭香的概念等於去第一次訪視有個伴手禮的概念那你"},{"start":717.132,"end":739.522,"text":"對 他就增加他的優營會願意接待你那也希望你的KPI可以定高一點因為現在每年一兩萬在掉所以你的5% 10%其實他的比例人數是變少是越來越少的我們先針對一歲以下就是新生兒啦我們先從新生兒開始來把這個優先順位先再調一下先聚焦在這個新手爸媽這裡好 謝謝部長 謝謝署長好 謝謝"},{"start":742.714,"end":747.711,"text":"好 謝謝陳靜惠委員的發言也謝謝部長的答詢下面請邱惠如委員發言"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:37:11+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-02T09:37:12+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:37:12+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-02T09:37:13+08:00","text":"各位委員，大家好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:37:13+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-02T09:37:14+08:00","text":"我想請石部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-02T09:37:14+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-02T09:37:15+08:00","text":"有請石部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-02T09:37:11.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:37:12.089000+08:00","text":"陳委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:37:12.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:37:17.592000+08:00","text":"部長，因為我看到這張「台灣好生活」的圖卡，所以知道你週末要出席這個活動。對。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:37:17.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:37:19.573000+08:00","text":"但我現在要跟你說，你知道昨天發生什麼事嗎？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:37:20.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:37:31.658000+08:00","text":"昨天下班時間，教育部的小編還在辛苦，他把教育部的社群變成部長自己的社群，等一下你有休息時間的話可以看一下，他正在被「大出征」當中。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:37:33.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:37:40.464000+08:00","text":"鄭英耀現在已經是全國老師的公敵，我不知道你跟他同臺會不會被波及。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:37:41.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:37:43.087000+08:00","text":"這是第一點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:37:43.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:37:52.137000+08:00","text":"第二點，我是想問你，你到場以後會不會突然宣布什麼新政策，或是說最近都不審預算，什麼津貼發不出來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:37:52.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:37:54.600000+08:00","text":"這種話我也建議你不要講，因為最近講了都會被嘲笑。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:37:55.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:37:55.561000+08:00","text":"你回答我，你會不會講？","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-02T09:37:56.362000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:37:56.682000+08:00","text":"不會啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-02T09:37:57.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:38:10.967000+08:00","text":"我們主要還是做政策的說明，就是我們最近有一些新的政策，其實也都已經公開了，只是不一定所有的人都清楚，所以我們是利用這個機會來跟民眾做宣導。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:38:10.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:38:13.307000+08:00","text":"所以我們大家都可以找你來宣導嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-02T09:38:13.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:38:13.968000+08:00","text":"可以，歡迎。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:38:14.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:38:17.649000+08:00","text":"所以你會宣布最近那18項政策，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:38:18.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:38:19.455000+08:00","text":"我都會看直播喔！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-02T09:38:20.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:38:38.166000+08:00","text":"不會18項，因為不是本部業管的我不會講，我們主要還是提到我們有一些新的政策，比如說我們7月1日開始全面補助新生兒的篩檢，這些要讓大家清楚，另外還有一些我們增加補助產前遺傳諮詢等等。","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:38:38.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:38:42.553000+08:00","text":"好，那我就問你：你的高鐵票是莊競程出的嗎？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:38:42.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:38:48.326000+08:00","text":"因為他以前也造謠說會辦不出護照，外交部還出來澄清說有預算，辦護照沒問題。沒有……","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:38:50.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:38:51.645000+08:00","text":"你的高鐵票是他出的嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-02T09:38:51.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:38:51.785000+08:00","text":"不是、不是。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:38:51.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:38:52.686000+08:00","text":"你自掏腰包？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-02T09:38:54.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:38:54.587000+08:00","text":"對、對、對，是我自己……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:38:54.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:38:56.248000+08:00","text":"有隨行秘書要跟你去嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-02T09:38:56.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:38:56.909000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:38:57.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:39:01.532000+08:00","text":"你的投影片和發言稿是公務員幫你寫的嗎？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-02T09:39:01.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-02T09:39:07.176000+08:00","text":"因為我們平常就有這些宣傳稿，包括一些懶人包等等，就把它拼湊、拼湊，這樣子啦！","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-07-02T09:39:08.27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的分子、分母是什麼？是怎麼計算出來的？"],["石部長崇良：這個要跟委員說明，所謂下架率的概念是說，我們跟數發部有合作在做網路巡查、AI巡查，發現有電子煙等關鍵字，就會進行下架或者是遮蔽，分母是在網路巡查上有通報的、抓到的案子……"],["陳委員菁徽：誰通報？"],["石部長崇良：這是跟數發部合作……"],["陳委員菁徽：要數發部通報哦？"],["石部長崇良：不是，他們會傳訊息給我們，就是他們會去做網路的巡查，巡查之後發現有疑似，因為主管機關是我們，所以對疑似的部分就會先移給我們，我們迅速判斷這是違法的，就需要遮蔽、下架等等。"],["陳委員菁徽：你們這個數據是否方便在一、兩週內給我們參考？因為……"],["石部長崇良：可以、可以，沒問題。"],["陳委員菁徽：因為我想知道99.8%是怎麼算出來的。"],["石部長崇良：好。就是說我們查了大概108萬疑似，然後裁處……"],["陳委員菁徽：108萬？"],["石部長崇良：對，裡面屬於網路的是三萬五千多件，下架的是3萬5,700……詳細數字我們會提供……"],["陳委員菁徽：108萬，最後是……"],["石部長崇良：這是3年的時間啦！"],["陳委員菁徽：3年查108萬，然後下架3萬？"],["石部長崇良：不是，108萬是包含實體稽查和網路……"],["陳委員菁徽：比如說在海關？"],["石部長崇良：對、對。然後網路的部分是……"],["陳委員菁徽：所以3年來你們下架了3萬？"],["石部長崇良：網路的部分我們是從去年才開始進行的，就是114年1月到今年5月，網路監測到的一共是三萬五千多件，然後下架了……"],["陳委員菁徽：99.8%嘛！"],["石部長崇良：對，99.8%指的是這個。"],["陳委員菁徽：那我跟你說，昨天我隨便在網路上……現在我也歡迎在場的人搜尋「電子煙」，隨便都買得到。我昨天就看到各種口味、各種名稱，琳瑯滿目，標榜一些五花八門的，還可以加LINE購買，看起來真的很不像下架率99%，我本來想下單，但是怕拿來這邊質詢被你罵，也擔心被詐騙。你要不要自己查查看？"],["石部長崇良：好，我自己查查看。"],["陳委員菁徽：看看符不符合你說的下架率！"],["石部長崇良：如果有這個情形，我們立刻就會去處理。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，那你等一下搜尋看看。"],["石部長崇良：我們等一下再搜尋看看。"],["陳委員菁徽：我們再等你兩週內交過來的數據。"],["石部長崇良：好。"],["陳委員菁徽：再來，對於持有電子煙最重罰10萬，你們說要設一個月的緩衝期，緩衝期間不會開罰，希望大家把自己的違禁品拿過來回收，主動繳回，避免觸法。我想問一下你們回收桶的設計是什麼樣子，會不會有人回收，結果又有人把它拿出來？"],["石部長崇良：其實這在新加坡有執行的先例，所以我們有參考，現在也在跟環境部討論，因為這裡面有電池的問題，所以會有安全的問題，因此我們的設計一定是只進不出，不會隨便又可以帶回去……"],["陳委員菁徽：第二個問題是，你有沒有問過法務部的意見？關於這些違禁品的回收，他都已經知道手上拿的是違禁品了，按照人性，最簡單的方式不就丟到垃圾桶嗎？你要用什麼誘因讓他們願意回收？"],["石部長崇良：好問題。"],["陳委員菁徽：那你要不要問一下法務部？"],["石部長崇良：應該這麼講……"],["陳委員菁徽：今天如果宣布有個新興毒品，所以我們希望有1個月緩衝期，請大家把這些違禁的新興毒品繳回來，你覺得法務部會告訴你什麼？"],["石部長崇良：當然我們的目的就是希望不要隨便棄置，因為目前在法還沒有通過之前，持有當然是沒有罰則，所以我們希望趕快啟動、鼓勵大家拿來我們的回收桶，不要亂丟。"],["陳委員菁徽：你可能要有鼓勵方案……"],["石部長崇良：鼓勵方案。"],["陳委員菁徽：不然一個小朋友為什麼要冒著風險，讓家長或是老師知道他手上有一個違禁品？"],["石部長崇良：我們來研議看看怎麼樣讓他能夠……"],["陳委員菁徽：你問一下法務部好了，好不好？"],["石部長崇良：好。"],["陳委員菁徽：再來，我週末參加了一個兒童死因研討會，看了非常難過，當然，因為您是急診出身的，所以您一定也知道近5年總共有286位嬰兒猝死，高達八成跟睡眠環境、家庭安全有關，那就是229位，裡面最大宗的就是呼吸道的遮蔽還有睡眠環境不安全，看了是非常的傷心，因為這些家長並不是不愛小朋友，他們只是不知道原來家裡有這麼危險的環境，也不知道應該怎麼做。這個你都很懂，所以我稍微快速講，第一多當然是因為柔軟的棉被遮到他的口鼻，再來是他滾到床邊的這些縫隙，以致於沒有辦法掙脫、翻身，還有是一種是因為一直哭，所以爸媽就把他順勢抱過來，跟大人在床上一起睡，就把他蓋住了，所以這些猝死的風險很多時候都是因為父母不知道哪一些日常照顧其實存在危險，相信你應該也知道。","在芬蘭，政府會發給每一個寶寶一個芬蘭箱，當然裡面會包括一些育兒的用品、物資，或是教育的文件、家庭支持，這就是他們的一個政策，包含工具，兩個combine在一起，這個箱子就變成很簡易的睡眠空間而且不貴，查了一下，現在不到臺幣300塊，很多私人公司已經有在贈送了。你看統計起來，6年有兩百多位寶寶因為這麼無辜的原因猝死，在這邊具體給你建議，第一、你再想想裡面的物資，但是會不會覺得一個家庭送一個芬蘭箱，其實也不會很貴？"],["石部長崇良：我們來評估看看。不過就像委員所提到的，意外確實占新生兒死因一定比例。對於新手爸媽的一些育兒指導，過去我們是從兩個管道，一個是0到3歲有幼兒專責醫師，他可以提供育兒指導跟必要的訪視。這是第一個。"],["陳委員菁徽：對，但現在都是申請。"],["石部長崇良：當然那不是強制的，而是有需要就提出。第二個是我們去年開始也有培育育兒指導員，去年只針對低收入戶跟中低收入戶為對象，今年開始我們把它擴大到從懷孕7個月以上到6歲以下的爸媽，當然以1歲以下優先，再擴大……"],["陳委員菁徽：好，我講一下……"],["石部長崇良：不再受限於低收入戶跟中低收入戶，我們未來會逐步擴大……"],["陳委員菁徽：我給你一些建議，我們研究了一下芬蘭的醫療保健跟兒童福利政策，他們是明確的入法，所以每一個小寶寶出生前就會有育兒指導員帶著芬蘭箱去訪視，包括看他家廚房、浴室或者是睡覺的環境有沒有什麼問題，在出生前就去，出生後再去一次。當然你現在可能覺得育兒指導員還不足，但你幫自己訂的KPI，我也覺得有點低，畢竟少子化，115年到119年從5%到50%，其實有點低。我想建議您，育兒指導員除了脆家、中低收入戶，還要再加上早產兒的家庭以及高風險妊娠，比如妊娠糖尿病、妊娠高血壓等等，最終是希望擴大到所有家庭，1個月內可不可以研擬？"],["石部長崇良：很謝謝委員提醒。當然我們的量能現在還有限，所以是逐步，我們今年編的預算將近九千多萬，明年希望再爭取更高的經費來支持育兒指導員。但是在有限的資源下，我們來訂一些priority，像剛剛您提到的哪一些優先，同時先從新生兒開始，因為現在訂的範圍很大，6歲以下都可以來申請，就先從新生兒開始。"],["陳委員菁徽：其實有個重點，出生前去看一次是非常重要的，所以你應該把育兒訪視員……"],["石部長崇良：對，我們好好來研究一下，包含您提到芬蘭箱的概念，等於第一次訪視有個伴手禮的概念。"],["陳委員菁徽：對，就增加誘因，讓他會願意接待你，也希望你的KPI可以訂高一點，因為現在每年一、兩萬在掉，雖然你訂5%、10%，但人數是越來越少的。"],["石部長崇良：好，我們先針對1歲以下，就是先從新生兒開始，把優先順位再調一下，先聚焦在新手爸媽。"],["陳委員菁徽：謝謝部長。謝謝署長。"],["石部長崇良：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳菁徽委員的發言、謝謝部長的答詢。","下一位請邱慧洳委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":248,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-26-17","speakers":["林月琴","王正旭","王育敏","林倩綺","陳菁徽","邱慧洳","邱鎮軍","林淑芬","黃秀芳","涂權吉","盧縣一","劉建國","蘇清泉","許忠信","張雅琳","傅崐萁","陳冠廷","廖偉翔","楊曜","陳瑩","游顥"],"page_start":161,"meetingDate":["2026-07-02"],"gazette_id":"1155701","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1155701_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"審查一、委員徐巧芯等19人擬具「菸害防制法第二十六條條文修正草案」案、二、委員黃健豪等\n17人擬具「菸害防制法第三十七條條文修正草案」案、三、委員羅智強等17人擬具「菸害防制法\n第二十六條條文修正草案」案、四、委員羅智強等 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