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這個才是重點嘛 對不對電子菸不是停在高中 也不是停留在這個國中已經下層到國小這個部分啊 我想教育部應該要重視所以你們之前的那些宣導啊 那些標語啊完全沒有用嘛就是跟不上這個現場 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當學校發生這種事情是不是我們有專業的團隊可以進入取代老師的工作讓教師的職能能夠回歸讓老師就好好的教書至於這個部分 另組專業的團隊來處理第三個當然由我們要跨部會的來"},{"start":782.018,"end":800.174,"text":"組成這個戰鬥小組啦我希望把這個整個一套用最新的一種方式來遏止我們這個毒品在學校氾濫的情形我這個建議啦你們再回去我再把資料給你們因為時間的關係我也簡單跟委員說明因為未來我們修法之後"},{"start":800.694,"end":825.229,"text":"那麼做法上就會變成這個教師發現的時候他就可以暫時保管他不需要徵得家長同意直接通知我們衛生單位去就會把它沒入然後接著衛生單位就要溯源那因為這個電子菸的製造還有販售現在都列入在刑事責任自然就變成是減掉他就會去溯源到抓到這個製造販賣端"},{"start":826.81,"end":838.845,"text":"雖然我還是建議就是說校園的毒品事件我們一定要零容忍好不好是謝謝好謝謝謝謝邱振軍委員發言宣告待會淑芬"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}