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香氛等關鍵字其實你現在網路去查電子煙"},{"start":622.908,"end":650.047,"text":"用這些關鍵字去查其實出來全部都是電子菸而且都買得到而且甚至他在網路還告訴你你可以用LINE來去購買所以這部分真的要加強一下這個太容易取得那網路上我們現在上網都買得到我相信年輕人對這部分他們要買真的是太容易了"},{"start":651.108,"end":677.43,"text":"對 跟委員說明確實像委員所提到的這樣道高一尺 謀高一丈我們只是單純用電子菸這個keyword不見得找得到因為它現在會改變說法比如說過去叫喵喵叫什麼那這些我們也不斷地在擴充相關的那個關鍵字不會只限於電子菸這幾個字所以這個我們也在努力這個真的是道高一尺 謀高一丈所以就像我剛剛講的其實"},{"start":679.051,"end":693.532,"text":"我們按照這些你去搜尋結果一跳出來一看就知道是電子菸嘛所以這一部分我覺得我們還是要加強一下加強管制好的好 謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝兔千雞委員發言接下來請盧憲義召委發言"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}