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還在請教次長"},{"start":426.756,"end":439.162,"text":"市長接下來要請教您有關這個毒價的案子那因為現在的這個毒價當然這個很猖狂嘛所以說我們也擺一坨米紙這個已經也經過獨省會的審查已經列為一級毒品但現在有一個狀況就是根據刑事局114年11月到115年3月的這個毒價統計檢查出"},{"start":451.068,"end":466.21,"text":"安非他命占70.06%K他命高达21.88%那都超过依托米指的16.73%但请问一下现在的这个K他命在这个毒品危害防治条例的分级下是属于第几级"},{"start":469.269,"end":493.42,"text":"是第三級那其實它的嚴重性比依托彌哲還高目前獨家的比例那它才只是第三級的這種行政罰就是罰還跟講習這會不會讓這個我們真正在緝毒的第一線的這些員警在執行上有陷入很巨大的這個無力感跟這個嚇阻的一個困境那尤其是我們在這個"},{"start":494.921,"end":507.448,"text":"全國在全力防治這個獨駕的時候啊施行率第二高的K他命在法律上還只是行政法那這是不是也在現行的獨駕的制度當中最致命的一個法律漏洞呢"},{"start":511.035,"end":540.158,"text":"毒品危害防治條例的第三條第三條還有這個規定上他毒品的分級的品項是由毒品審議委員會依照他的成癮性濫用性跟對社會的一個危害性所以他不單單是說看那個比例因為他的那個要看肇事的一個真正的一個狀況那我們那個依托彌子在那個嚴重的情況上毒審會這邊已經把他調到第一級那至於說安非他命的部分目前還是在第二級然後那個就是"},{"start":541.438,"end":559.365,"text":"這個凱達蜜是第三級那這個部分上是不是說適用第三級跟第四級的這個再犯是否要入罪的這個部分我們會審慎評估整個刑事政策跟司法醫療的一個配置那請問法務部是不是有曾經正式提請讀審會來檢討凱達蜜分級或再犯的處遇"},{"start":562.717,"end":573.889,"text":"其實那個每次在開會的時候都會整體性的一個討論說有沒有要調整啦那每三個月會調整那所以最近的一次的獨審會有針對K他名的分級或在犯的廚藥有進行這個檢討嗎最近的部分是應該我的理解因為我沒有在開會的那個會議之中"},{"start":582.658,"end":597.743,"text":"我的理解是沒有特別去針對安非他命跟K他命的部分來去做因為現在看起來安非他命跟K他命尤其是K他命因為他只有行政罰而已所以說可能如果是因為獨駕事件而造成的這個人民的損害的話他卻只需要罰還跟獎習這樣子的一個狀況"},{"start":603.405,"end":623.433,"text":"跟委員報告先講安非他命的部分安非他命它類似像是興奮劑然後伊托米子它是屬於大型動物的麻醉劑所以它兩個產生的效果造勢的狀況對社會的危害有點不太一樣安非他命主要吸的是用來提神之用的"},{"start":624.053,"end":646.176,"text":"那當然這個部分上委員提到的第三級KWM是不是要再調整那這個部分上我們也會把委員的意見再帶回我們獨省會這邊請委員們再來評估一下是不是應該這樣子的部分也要予以提高那這部分我們會再請我們的這個參與那個會議的同仁再跟委員們提出討論我想這個部分可能要請法務部來好好的這個"},{"start":647.313,"end":665.246,"text":"提交給這個獨審會來去審查因為既然它是屬於目前的話是屬於第二就是它的這個獨家的統計高達百分之二十一點八八表示它也有相當的一個危害性那當然我們也希望當然我們現在就是也有聽到的就是說法務部一直"},{"start":665.766,"end":687.794,"text":"不敢把K-Thermin升級為第二級的毒品的話因為其實很多基層跟社會各界希望這麼做那法務部一直遲遲不肯升級就是唯一的顧慮就是怕這個監獄人滿為患所以在法務部的考量之下是不是真的有這樣的一個狀況然後不用考量用戶人的安全嗎"},{"start":688.87,"end":711.73,"text":"當然我們一定是會考慮用路人的安全因為事實上那兩個是不同層次的問題第一犯罪該依法執行就該執行至於說我們怎麼樣去幫助我們的矯正署把人員或者是資源的部分再來爭取的話那是另外一個層次的問題那這個部分到時候也會如果真的有這樣的需要我想委員們也都會支持所以這東西倒不是我們考量的主因"},{"start":712.15,"end":740.852,"text":"好 那現在在短期內不曉得到底會不會升級啦所以說我們這邊也接到一些這個第一線員警的澄清喔他們強烈的建議要修正毒品危害防治條例增訂三級毒品使用者在一定的時間內再犯可以行責並引進觀察勒解那法務部的看法呢我們這個部分會配合整體的行政的政策司法醫療配置的部分去做通盤的一個考量啦"},{"start":741.465,"end":762.96,"text":"那您現在請教一下次長針對這個部分您覺得是不是除了當然就是說除了通盤的考量以這樣看起來的話是安非他命的狀況法律上的那個就是修正他有他的一個嚴謹性跟全面性我不敢說在這邊直接說可以或不可以但是這樣的一個思考的部分是我們會帶回去做一個研究的"},{"start":763.51,"end":774.182,"text":"好 那請次長要把這個部分要好好的研究清楚那另外 部長請問另外再請教一下我們的這個法福基金會的董事長"},{"start":781.024,"end":798.278,"text":"董事長這個媒體有披露新北市清水派出所的所長劉中興遭獨駕惡性衝撞殉職一審判處死刑結果案件上訴二審法輔就派了高達三名的律師組成了豪華的律師團為被告辯護"},{"start":800.28,"end":822.88,"text":"那法服在這種大手筆的支援惡性殺人被告時有沒有依據法服的第17條落實審查其資歷及非險無理由我想當然都這種強制辯護案子而且是國民法官案件"},{"start":823.496,"end":837.748,"text":"原本就是法湖一個很重大的案件派出的律師也一定要是非常優秀尤其是國民法官的案子在一省的國民法官案件它本來就是我們"},{"start":838.729,"end":865.211,"text":"高規格去重視的可是你現在幫忙辯護的是這個獨駕撞死我們的這個劉中興所長的這樣子的一個案件那這樣會不會就是法服感覺上就是盲目的就是利用國家的資源不計代價的然後去為這個被害人沒有 應該是為加害人來辯護呢事實上是這樣所以我覺得這個部分一定要好好的來檢討我知道"},{"start":866.432,"end":884.833,"text":"觀感看大家會覺得說為什麼到了二審因為你在一審的時候國民法官案子他本來就是需要我們法湖出律師那到了二審為什麼真正會跑出三名的律師原因是因為這個獨家判處在判處死刑的死刑案件了"},{"start":885.733,"end":911.522,"text":"對這些我們有幾位話 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