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謝謝 請司法院好 感謝委員垂詢那跟委員報告那因為我們的《耕燒法》它的立法的體力其實和《家暴法》不一樣那其實我們在《耕燒法》裡面那書面告誡它這個制度其實就已經跟這個《家暴法》裡面的緊急保護令已經有高度的功能重疊這個部分其實警政署它研究報告裡面也有指出這一點不好意思 長官"},{"start":473.986,"end":501.155,"text":"那個保護令跟書面告誡的功能差異非常大如果拿到保護令我拿到書面告誡只能通知加害人說請你停止這樣的行為可是我拿到保護令是對我來講是對被害人有一個非常強大的保護作用這兩個怎麼會一模一樣勒你們在報告裡面就特別寫說你們要三十四天才能發保護令我們現在是希望說可以加速這樣的讓被害人可以保障自己的行為怎麼會這樣怎麼會一樣勒"},{"start":502.555,"end":513.71,"text":"三十四天的部分其實是這個那個跟騷法他的一般的保護令那依照跟騷法的規定我們必須要先通知加害人來提出對那個被害人他的申請書來提出意見"},{"start":518.015,"end":545.936,"text":"那我們當然就是需要一個通知還有等待他回應的這一段時間所以當然沒有辦法在這麼短的時間內來這個做出那我來請教如果未來我們修法就是說針對緊急危險者法院可不可以在4個小時收到警方的資料類似他把這個我們所說的書面告誡資料沒有給加害人直接給法院用4個小時的時間讓法院在4個小時來核發緊急保護令這點你們同意嗎"},{"start":547.41,"end":559.199,"text":"這個部分可能就是涉及跟SOFA整體制度的規範因為現行的實習記者組合就已經規定說在緊急的狀況之下檢警可以不經書面告誡先行程序直接來申請保護令"},{"start":560.309,"end":577.575,"text":"這也是OK的可以的嗎好這個可能至於這個是看要整體制度怎麼樣設計現在可能沒有辦法回應說一定可以在這個時間之內來核發問題點在哪裡我們要看整體的制度設計是怎麼樣不是我們今天就是要來幫被害人"},{"start":578.075,"end":598.684,"text":"大家看到那麼多的問題所以我們希望說可以來幫被害人來解決一些問題所以拜託會後是不是各單位可以討論一下那用書面回覆我們你們到底可以的原因不行的原因來對我們書面要多久時間可以回覆這部分可能要跟執政署這邊看看"},{"start":602.389,"end":615.666,"text":"可以嗎?一個月可不可以?還是三個月?要看整體的制度設計,我們再來做回應所以現在沒辦法回答?要看主管機關這邊,對於整體制度設計主管機關是內政部好不好?部長是不是有沒有機會針對我剛提的這個問題"},{"start":618.268,"end":633.315,"text":"那這個部分我們再跟那個斯文再來做一個互相協調因為這裡面有個牽涉他們的權責啦他們能不能在跟委員所講的事實上能不能達成這個這個在這裡我也沒辦法替他答應這種事情"},{"start":634.596,"end":647.49,"text":"我要拜託署長、部長跟我們司法院,今天很多委員,十幾個委員都有提出相關的版本希望說各部會再統整一下,讓我們的受害人可以提早得到應該的保護再拜託,好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:29:11.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:29:12.422000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:29:13.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:29:13.904000+08:00","text":"各位委員、各位官員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:29:14.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:29:16.409000+08:00","text":"有請劉世芳部長、警政署張署長。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:29:19.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:29:21.212000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:29:21.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:29:47.006000+08:00","text":"今天討論的是非常重要，有關於跟蹤騷擾防制法的修法，我們都知道跟蹤騷擾防制法已經上路四年了，當然我們當時是希望它成為被害者的保護傘，可是從現行的數據跟各界的檢討，我們擔心因為制度上還是有很多的缺陷，使它淪為看得到、吃不到、用不到的法令。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:29:47.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:30:17.848000+08:00","text":"現行跟騷法的犯案動機，必須要限縮在與性或性別有關，所以現在有非常多沒有辦法使用到的地方，而且它的危險評估表只有針對親密關係暴力來設計，所以許多動機不明的部分……我們最近可以看到許多的單純狂粉追星、財產糾紛、鄰里騷擾，甚至仇恨尾隨的案件，其實都沒有辦法在第一時間證明這樣的行為可以適用。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:30:18.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:30:41.797000+08:00","text":"我們來看一下今天你們專案報告統計的一些數據，我們看到警察同仁非常辛苦，可是第一步，我們要使用跟騷法、要警察先書面告誡加害人，這部分大概要11天的時間，才可以核發書面告誡，這個時間非常長，是否有機會改善？","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:30:42.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:30:50.580000+08:00","text":"第二個，受害人聲請跟騷保護令，平均要34天才能聲請到。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:30:51.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:31:06.668000+08:00","text":"如果一位受害人受到騷擾，拿到保護令加上核發書面告誡，要長達45天的時間，所以，以我剛剛提到的數據來看的話，時間是不是過久？","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:31:07.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:31:13.793000+08:00","text":"是不是可以請署長解釋，書面告誡、跟騷保護令的時間是否可以縮短？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T09:31:15.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:31:36.951000+08:00","text":"剛剛委員所說的部分，目前跟騷案件大概百分之九十在書面告誡完之後就會停止，至於時間上即書面告知是什麼時候書面告知，我們當然要有調查的程序，第一個是被害人的意願，第二個是他會心生畏怖，再來就是反覆的行為。","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T09:31:36.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:31:59.412000+08:00","text":"這裡面會拖比較長時間的就是網路上的案件，因為你要知道他的IP，跟網路業者調資料，時間大概就是花在這個部分，只要確定……其實如果是實體的人，不是透過網路上的，速度都非常快。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T09:31:59.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:32:14.922000+08:00","text":"我們調查完之後，甚至很快就可以核發書面告誡，書面告誡完之後，進入法院，如果這個跟騷行為人還有行為……","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:32:15.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:32:16.142000+08:00","text":"謝謝署長，有沒有辦法時間再縮短？","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:32:16.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:32:16.363000+08:00","text":"因為你剛剛特別講到數位跟騷。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T09:32:20.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:32:20.265000+08:00","text":"我們會精進。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:32:20.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:32:22.127000+08:00","text":"今天NCC有來，是不是可以像剛才委員講的，72小時內把書面告誡書核發出來？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T09:32:22.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:32:24.069000+08:00","text":"如果72個小時內要核發告誡書，我們從發現行為、確定完之後，72小時是沒問題的。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:32:35.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:32:38.144000+08:00","text":"所以未來是有機會在發現事實後72小時內核發？","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T09:32:38.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07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41.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:36:41.565000+08:00","text":"請司法院代表。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"楊法官舒嵐","start":"2026-07-06T09:36:42.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:36:43.767000+08:00","text":"感謝委員垂詢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊法官舒嵐","start":"2026-07-06T09:36:43.907000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:37:02.424000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為跟騷法的立法體例和家暴法不一樣，跟騷法的書面告誡制度其實跟家暴法裡面的緊急保護令有高度的功能重疊，警政署的研究報告裡面也有指出這一點。","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:37:02.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:37:22.011000+08:00","text":"不好意思，長官，保護令跟書面告誡的功能差異非常大，拿到書面告誡，只能通知加害人說請你停止這樣的行為，可是如果是拿到保護令，對被害人有非常強大的保護作用，這兩個怎麼會一模一樣呢？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:37:22.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:37:32.135000+08:00","text":"你們在報告裡面就特別寫你們要34天才能發保護令，我們現在是希望可以加速，讓被害人可以保障自己，這怎麼會一樣呢？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"楊法官舒嵐","start":"2026-07-06T09:37:34.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:37:56.340000+08:00","text":"34天其實是跟騷法的一般保護令，依照跟騷法的規定，我們必須要先通知加害人就被害人之聲請書提出意見，因此我們需要通知還有等待回應的這一段時間，當然沒有辦法在這麼短的時間內做出保護令。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:37:56.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:38:16.936000+08:00","text":"我請教一下，如果未來修法針對緊急危險者，收到警方的資料，類似把我們所說的書面告誡資料沒有給加害人而是直接給法院，用4個小時的時間，讓法院在4個小時內核發緊急保護令，這點你們同意嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"楊法官舒嵐","start":"2026-07-06T09:38:18.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:38:21.032000+08:00","text":"這個部分可能涉及跟騷法整體制度的規範……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:38:21.032000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T09:38:22.032000+08:00","text":"所以是可行的，對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊法官舒嵐","start":"2026-07-06T09:38:21.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:38:30.179000+08:00","text":"因為現行的施行細則第十五條就已經規定在緊急狀況之下，檢警可以不經書面告誡先行程序，直接來聲請保護令。","quality":0.809},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:38:31.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:38:32.369000+08:00","text":"所以是OK的、可以的？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"楊法官舒嵐","start":"2026-07-06T09:38:35.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:38:42.513000+08:00","text":"至於這部分是要看整體制度怎麼樣設計，現在可能沒有辦法回應說一律可以在這個時間之內核發。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:38:42.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:38:43.833000+08:00","text":"問題點在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊法官舒嵐","start":"2026-07-06T09:38:43.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:38:46.694000+08:00","text":"我們要看整體的制度設計是怎麼樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:38:46.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:39:02.181000+08:00","text":"不是啊，我們今天就是要來幫被害人，大家看到那麼多的問題，我們希望可以幫被害人解決一些問題，所以拜託會後是不是各單位可以討論一下，用書面回復你們可以的原因、不行的原因？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:39:04.442000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:39:05.142000+08:00","text":"多久時間可以回復？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"楊法官舒嵐","start":"2026-07-06T09:39:07.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:39:09.664000+08:00","text":"這部分可能要跟警政署這邊討論看看。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-07-06T09:39:09.664000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T09:39:11.696500+08:00","text":"你回答你的部分就好了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T09:39:11.696500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T09:39:13.729000+08:00","text":"你的部分就好了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:39:13.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:39:14.410000+08:00","text":"一個月可不可以？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:39:15.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:39:15.632000+08:00","text":"還是三個月？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊法官舒嵐","start":"2026-07-06T09:39:15.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:39:18.816000+08:00","text":"我們還是要看整體的制度設計再來做回應。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:39:18.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:39:19.677000+08:00","text":"所以現在沒辦法回答？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊法官舒嵐","start":"2026-07-06T09:39:19.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:39:22.240000+08:00","text":"要看主管機關對於整體制度設計未來會怎麼規劃。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:39:22.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:39:24.283000+08:00","text":"主管機關是內政部。是的。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:39:24.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:39:26.385000+08:00","text":"部長，有沒有機會？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:39:26.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:39:26.666000+08:00","text":"針對我剛剛提的這個問題。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T09:39:29.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:39:45.596000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們再跟司法院互相協調，因為這裡面有牽涉到他們的權責，他們能不能在委員所講的4小時達成，在這裡我沒辦法替他答應這種事情，我們再來協調。","quality":0.831},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-07-06T09:39:45.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:39:58.490000+08:00","text":"我要拜託署長、部長跟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人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第十二條條文修正草案」案；\n七、審查委員蘇清泉等29人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第十二條條文修正草案」案；八、審查委員廖\n先翔等22人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第三條、第四條及第九條條文修正草案」案；九、審查台灣民\n眾黨黨團擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第二條、第五條及第十二條條文修正草案」案；十、審查委員林\n宜瑾等18 人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第五條條文修正草案」案；十一、審查委員陳瑩等 19 人擬具\n「跟蹤騷擾防制法第五條條文修正草案」案（詢答）","agenda_id":"1155801_00001"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}