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因為我們的董事公司在剛才署長說的網路真的不好找每次發生在網路的時候說實在我們要找的實在不簡單啊 啊很辛苦啦來 那個我們 揚華館 來"},{"start":359.844,"end":386.514,"text":"在這裡剛才有董事問過說我們的被害人可以去到保護鏈最緊要三十五天啦在這個過程你也有說要再去查 要再去做啦但是我先要跟你說一件事人家如果抓狂你知道抓狂的意思嗎抓狂的意思你知道啦"},{"start":387.914,"end":390.456,"text":"你說的時候,有時候每天在櫻桃外面等了一年所以這35天,對被害者來說,真的很害怕像剛才"},{"start":403.479,"end":409.663,"text":"人家說我們要再查、要再做,還有很多單位我相信能夠改善還要多的時間因為他之前都知道,他都在他們家在搜、在走等比海淪出來的時候"},{"start":424.861,"end":432.407,"text":"處理不應該的工序所以我要跟你請教,可以再縮短一點嗎?35天說實在的,35天就變化很多了"},{"start":440.794,"end":462.849,"text":"要如何看待這35天當然你們的辦公室,你們說我又愛三明治,我又愛三明治因為這個保護令,不能亂發就是要面面之道,都有他的資料,有他的政績才可以把這個保護令,希望來"},{"start":464.21,"end":488.742,"text":"理會大姐感謝委員吹詢那我們對於委員對於保護被害人的這個理念真的是非常的感佩那這邊也要跟委員報告我們的跟騷法其實除了保護令之外還有其他的可以保護被害人的機制可以達到更有效而且強力的保護機制那我們本法跟家暴法不一樣的是本法是直接規定說跟蹤騷擾行為他直接已經入罪了"},{"start":489.222,"end":518.161,"text":"所以如果類似剛才委員所說的這一種有急迫危險的情況它其實就是一種犯罪行為那如果是犯罪行為警察機關、檢察機關得知了這種行為之後其實可以立即採取刑事訴訟法上面規定的強制處分的那些作為比如說現行犯的逮捕啊那或者是本法也有規定預防性羈押這種方式其實可以非常立即而且有效的把加害人和被害人加以隔離它的效果可能比保護令更加的強大"},{"start":519.182,"end":534.053,"text":"那由於本法的這個跟騷的行為他要入罪是採取告訴乃論所以這個部分如果被害人他一旦到警局有提起這個跟騷跟騷罪的告訴的話相信檢警機關應該會立即採取這種強力的強制處分的作為因為我們自己探討的就是說有的公司的被害人很怕的"},{"start":544,"end":548.683,"text":"在這個過程當中有時候他會覺得他要去申請保護令的時候,那個時間會覺得太久了因為有時候沒有明顯的時候,你要再查檔查曬"},{"start":560.35,"end":568.914,"text":"本學是要跟你們說,如果有時間要收修的時間,要收修,不可以發生事情,到來報報房說,這裡要怎麼處理,這裡要怎麼處理,這樣就不好了,本學是跟你們的意見"},{"start":579.358,"end":590.787,"text":"我相信事情說實在,大家都不喜歡,但是剛才本席說的,一定是暗的,比海淋是激昂的,所以這個過程當中,我也希望,洋華觀念學院可以提供一些探討,讓這個時間縮小,如何可以到處去保護這些受害者,"},{"start":606.378,"end":629.108,"text":"謝謝委員這個部分其實我們已經有發函提醒各個法院如果處理這類的保護令事件的時候一定要投訴審理對啦,我們覺得看到更少法務,我們的政府在這裡也是希望做好事做好事的時候就是每一個單位要提出法律才可以趕快去保護被害者以上謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-06T09:40:16.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:40:16.210000+08:00","text":"主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-06T09:40:16.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:40:16.834000+08:00","text":"我請署長跟部長。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T09:40:26.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:40:26.513000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-06T09:40:27.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:40:28.915000+08:00","text":"署長早，部長早。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-06T09:40:29.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:40:46.306000+08:00","text":"剛剛我們有同事說到跟騷，對摩托車坐墊多次撫摸，過程中第一審的時候判無罪，後來才改判跟騷法成立。","quality":0.395},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-06T09:40:51.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:41:02.901000+08:00","text":"部長，跟騷法到現在已經四年了，像這個問題出現的時候，你認為要怎麼做可以更好？","quality":0.794},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-06T09:41:04.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:41:06.141000+08:00","text":"是署長要回答還是部長要回答？","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T09:41:07.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:41:39.896000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，警察單位受理任何被害人的報案，所有案件都會受理，不管是一般案件或是其他等等，我們會根據被害人描述的內容，像剛才那個案例就是觸摸女子機車坐墊多次、反覆為之，被害人認為這個跟性有關、可能要跟蹤他，只要提出他的意願，他心裡又畏懼，我們初判就是跟騷了，就是被害者說我被人跟蹤，他對我有什麼樣的行為，一定是被害人……","quality":0.58},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-06T09:41:40.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:41:41.157000+08:00","text":"因為他會害怕，所以如果他去報案，你們就會受理？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T09:41:41.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:42:07.985000+08:00","text":"要受理，他說這個人可能愛慕我、對我做了什麼行為，這個初判我們就會用跟騷法，在第一時間確定身分之後就會書面告誡，告誡完之後，如果那個人再繼續摸的話，那就要用保護令，要向法官聲請保護令。","quality":0.549},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-06T09:42:09.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:42:20.603000+08:00","text":"署長，你們的業務報告裡面有提及書面告誡的部分，剛才好幾位同仁也有跟你說，好像要等很久，要等將近……","quality":0.326},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T09:42:20.603000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T09:42:42.252000+08:00","text":"沒有啦，委員，第一時間知道之後，如果當天知道了，當天就可以核發，如果第一天都處理好，第一天就會核發，但是有一些就是身分查不到，比方說他是透過網路的，會有IP，就是匿名的。","quality":0.027},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-06T09:42:42.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:42:43.593000+08:00","text":"所以你說的是在報案之後，知道是什麼人、知道他的身分……","quality":0.304},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T09:42:43.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:42:44.753000+08:00","text":"知道身分、構成要件，我們確定了之後……","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-06T09:42:44.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:42:45.013000+08:00","text":"構成要件，有時候當天就會核發書面告誡？","quality":0.529},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T09:42:45.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:42:46.574000+08:00","text":"對，當天，差不多有25%，這一萬多件裡面有25%是當天就核發了。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-06T09:42:46.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:42:46.694000+08:00","text":"當天就核發了？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T09:42:46.694000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T09:42:47.694000+08:00","text":"是，確定身分了，當天就核發了。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-06T09:42:47.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T09:43:16.445000+08:00","text":"說實在的，這種跟騷行為讓被害者很煩惱、很害怕，他有時候要出去也不敢出去，因為我們還不知道對方是什麼人，他是在暗處，被跟蹤的人是在明處，所以他在這個過程當中會很害怕。","quality":0.73},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T09:43:26.140000+08:0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的人的身分、只要是有反覆的話，所謂的反覆，我的認定是要兩次以上。"],["王委員美惠：要兩次以上？"],["張署長榮興：他做了一次，如果做第二次我們就會做這樣的書面告誡。"],["王委員美惠：第一次的時候可能還沒有那麼明顯？"],["張署長榮興：可能被跟的只有第一次的時候他知道可能是第一次，之前有沒有被跟他也不知道，但是我們問被害者：「已經跟你幾次了？」他說：「這是第一次」，如果是第一次，可能就要再查證一下，看是不是誤判或是怎麼樣。"],["王委員美惠：如果是第一次，經查證如果是他的話，你們會受理嗎？"],["張署長榮興：受理啊！"],["王委員美惠：會受理嘛。"],["張署長榮興：也是會受理、我們也會受理。"],["王委員美惠：不是兩次……署長，本席要跟你探討的是，剛才你說如果確定這個人的身分之後就可以趕快核發書面告誡。"],["張署長榮興：因為我們這個……"],["王委員美惠：如果不知道這個人的身分，在網路上會比較難找到，是不是……"],["張署長榮興：在網路上要找這個人的身分需要一段時間，因為要跟網路公司調資料，調資料的話怎麼可能一、兩天就可以拿到資料，應該是拿不到。"],["王委員美惠：對啦，署長，在這個部分，我覺得將近要12天、11天左右的時間，應該是一些案件要經過網路、經過你們去確定……"],["張署長榮興：要再通知……"],["王委員美惠：我們可以通知嘛。"],["張署長榮興：是。"],["王委員美惠：在這個過程當中，我要跟署長說，署長，你們的同事很認真，所以他們在查案的時候，我們也要鼓勵他們。"],["張署長榮興：是。"],["王委員美惠：因為就像你說的，不是每一件都將近要12天才核發。"],["張署長榮興：沒有、沒有，我剛才有說過，不是這樣。"],["王委員美惠：你剛才有說過了。"],["張署長榮興：我有說過不是這樣。"],["王委員美惠：所以如果確定知道這個人的身分，在確定之後，有時候當天就會發出來了，是不是這樣？"],["張署長榮興：我們當天就核發了。"],["王委員美惠：好，這樣很讚！"],["張署長榮興：謝謝。"],["王委員美惠：記得要鼓勵一下你們的同事。"],["張署長榮興：是，謝謝。"],["王委員美惠：說實在的，剛才署長也說了，在網路上真的不好找，如果事件是發生在網路，說實在的，我們要去找，真的不簡單，很辛苦啦！"],["張署長榮興：是，謝謝。"],["王委員美惠：接下來要請教楊法官，剛才我們同仁有詢問過，被害人拿到保護令將近要35天，在這個過程中，你也有說要再去查、要再去做什麼，不過我要跟你說一件事情，人如果抓狂的話……你知道抓狂的意思嗎？"],["楊法官舒嵐：是。"],["王委員美惠：抓狂的意思你知道吧！"],["楊法官舒嵐：知道。"],["王委員美惠：當他抓狂的時候，有時候每天在他家外面等，所以這35天對被害者來說真的很可怕。剛才楊法官有說你們要再查、要再做什麼，然後還有很多單位，我相信應該可以有所改進，讓這個時間再縮短一點，因為已經有證據了，畢竟也都在他家附近走動、活動，等到被害人出來的時候，可能就會做一些不應該做的事。所以我要請教你，可以再縮短一點時間嗎？35天，說實在的，光5天可能就有很多變化了，更不用說35天，你如何看待這35天？當然你們在辦公的時候會說還需要誰核准等等，因為這個保護令不能隨便核發，就是要面面俱到，要有他的資料、有相關的證據才可以核發這個保護令嗎？請你回答一下。"],["楊法官舒嵐：感謝委員垂詢，我們對於委員想要保護被害人的理念真的非常感佩。這邊也要跟委員報告，我們的跟騷法除了保護令之外，還有其他可以保護被害人的機制、可以達到更有效而且強力的保護機制。本法跟家暴法不一樣的是，本法是直接規定了，跟蹤騷擾行為直接已經入罪了，所以如果類似剛才委員所說的這種有急迫危險的情況，這其實就是一種犯罪行為，如果是犯罪行為，警察機關、檢察機關得知這種行為之後，其實可以立即採取刑事訴訟法上面規定的強制處分的那些作為，比如說現行犯的逮捕，或者是本法也有規定預防性羈押，這種方式其實可以非常立即而且有效的把加害人和被害人加以隔離，它的效果可能比保護令更加的強大。由於本法的跟騷行為要入罪是採取告訴乃論，所以這個部分如果被害人一旦到警局有提起跟騷罪的告訴的話，相信檢警機關應該會立即採取這種強力的強制處分作為。"],["王委員美惠：本席要跟你探討的是，說實在的，被害人真的很害怕，在這個過程當中，有時候他會覺得他去聲請保護令，核發的時間怎麼會這麼久？因為有時候狀況不明顯的話，你們還要查東查西。本席是要跟你們說，如果可以縮短時間的時候就要縮短，不要發生事情之後再來補破網，說這裡要怎麼處理、那裡要怎麼處理，這樣就不好了，這是本席給你們的建議。說實在的，大家都不希望發生事情，不過剛剛本席也說過，他是在暗處，被害人是在明處，所以在這個過程當中，我也希望楊法官可以針對這個部分回去探討一下，把這個時間縮短，以保護這些受害者，請楊法官。"],["楊法官舒嵐：謝謝委員。這個部分其實我們已經有發函提醒各個法院，如果處理這類的保護令事件的時候，一定要妥速審理，謝謝委員。"],["王委員美惠：對啦！關於跟騷法，我們政府也是希望能再做得更好一點，要做得更好一點就是每個單位要拿出魄力，才能夠儘速保護被害者。以上。"],["主席：請王委員育敏詢答。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":66,"meet_id":"聯席會議-11-5-15,26-1","speakers":["李柏毅","林月琴","王育敏","張智倫","王美惠","張宏陸","黃捷","廖先翔","王鴻薇","黃秀芳","劉建國","吳琪銘","徐欣瑩","蘇巧慧","高金素梅","許忠信","陳菁徽","張雅琳","王正旭","廖偉翔","林淑芬"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2026-07-06"],"gazette_id":"1155801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1155801_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期內政、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議紀錄","content":"一、審查委員林月琴等21人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法部分條文修正草案」案；二、審查委員王育敏\n等16人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法部分條文修正草案」案；三、審查委員莊瑞雄等16人擬具「跟蹤騷\n擾防制法第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案；四、審查委員羅明才等18人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法\n第十二條條文修正草案」案；五、審查委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第十二條條文修\n正草案」案；六、審查委員翁曉玲等23 人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第十二條條文修正草案」案；\n七、審查委員蘇清泉等29人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第十二條條文修正草案」案；八、審查委員廖\n先翔等22人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第三條、第四條及第九條條文修正草案」案；九、審查台灣民\n眾黨黨團擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第二條、第五條及第十二條條文修正草案」案；十、審查委員林\n宜瑾等18 人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第五條條文修正草案」案；十一、審查委員陳瑩等 19 人擬具\n「跟蹤騷擾防制法第五條條文修正草案」案（詢答）","agenda_id":"1155801_00001"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}