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這個多了一層"},{"start":374.215,"end":393.088,"text":"那當然很多其實警察要調查的這個工作當然是都出眾複雜一定會釐清他所有的涉案的各種要件所以說我們常常要認定是不是在性上面有關的當然職官上面會認定說所以我們第一個第一時間出辦被愛人來講的這個是跟他的性與性別有關心我們大概出辦就會認定啦"},{"start":394.549,"end":415.327,"text":"只要是這個被跟的人主觀的對於姓北我們都會做這樣的一個出判然後呢再加上他是不是會是不是這個行為是反覆的狀況再來就是他的心聲是不是有未卜的所以我們原則上在行政作業上面最主要的還是依據"},{"start":417.148,"end":436.879,"text":"報案人他的心理感受當然心理的感受是最重要啊他的確定性不然這個性與性培沒辦法去做確定也不能我們跟他說你這個就是性與性培一定是被案人心理的感受他心理來報案的意向最重要啊這個才能是一個出版嘛"},{"start":437.359,"end":449.193,"text":"當然如果是以這個申報人來當作這個員警判斷的依據的話那當然條文上面要不要有性或者是要不要擴大範圍那我就認為維持原條文大概可以現在是已經有八大類的樣態未來如果說是不是有"},{"start":456.081,"end":484.988,"text":"更嚴密的方式那未來還可以再做解決為什麼當初會有這樣的一個其他或者是其他委員有這樣子的一個草案的一個修法草案那就是怕當然啦我們直觀上認為那只要跟性有關就好因為它法的一個精神就在這邊嘛但是就像我剛剛講的可能在加害人上面他或許會用一些其他方式來規避這樣子的法律那就涉及到個案的一個判斷那如果說涉及個案判斷的方面我們如果說在行政指導上面都是支持同仁來"},{"start":486.248,"end":494.759,"text":"協助報案人的話而不是單純就法令面的逐字逐字去探討的話那我覺得這樣子的一個方式是我目前還可以接受的"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:22:13.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:22:13.992000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:22:17.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:22:23.515000+08:00","text":"請部長、署長以及司法院，我有幾個客觀的統計數據先請教一下。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:22:25.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:22:48.645000+08:00","text":"首先，我還是覺得警察辛苦了，在跟騷法通過之後，這對警察同仁都是新的業務要去熟悉，每個同仁可能在執法上面的認知有時候每個人也都不一樣，那就可能造成執法上面的落差，有時候會跟大家所期待的不一樣，但既然法令出了，大家就一起精進，讓它變得更好。","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:22:49.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:22:57.110000+08:00","text":"第一個，民眾報案跟警方發出告誡函的比例，你們有沒有大概統計過？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T10:23:03.471000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:23:09.692000+08:00","text":"有，大概90%書面告誡完之後，他就會停止這些跟騷了。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:23:09.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:23:19.954000+08:00","text":"不是，我是說報案，就是剛剛有講到的，適不適用跟騷法不是檢舉人說了算，也不是被檢舉人說了算嘛，對不對？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T10:23:19.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:23:21.254000+08:00","text":"沒有，這個部分倒沒有這樣，從這個法開始之後到現在，跟騷案件有1萬1,703件。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:23:27.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:23:31.559000+08:00","text":"對，我的意思是，會有一個報案總數嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:23:32.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:23:37.906000+08:00","text":"報案總數中，有多少對警方來說是成案的，有沒有類似的統計？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T10:23:39.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:23:42.509000+08:00","text":"關於這個部分，我們可能很難會做這樣的統計……","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:23:44.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:23:46.252000+08:00","text":"所以沒有辦法統計成案的比例是多少？對。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:23:47.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:23:47.773000+08:00","text":"沒關係。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:23:47.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:23:51.776000+08:00","text":"那你們成案之後，比如說告誡了之後，如果還有相關的行為，那就是移請……","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T10:23:53.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:23:56.280000+08:00","text":"違反告誡書的話，會進入到保護令的狀況。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:23:56.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:23:56.820000+08:00","text":"會進到司法這邊嘛？對。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:23:57.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:24:04.767000+08:00","text":"我想確認一下，你們或司法院有沒有統計過你們移送跟騷保護令的成案比例？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:24:05.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:24:07.289000+08:00","text":"這應該就會有確切的比例數字了吧！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T10:24:07.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:24:13.318000+08:00","text":"有，違反保護令有663件，就是書面告誡之後，違反保護令的有663件，其中依照職權聲請的有80件，就是緊急保護令的部分有80件。","quality":0.766},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:24:13.338000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:24:30.449000+08:00","text":"所以你們移送了六百多件，663件？對，663。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:24:30.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:24:35.955000+08:00","text":"移送663件，這663件司法院或法官都有發出保護令嗎？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:24:36.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:24:37.056000+08:00","text":"全數都有發嗎？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T10:24:38.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:24:39.198000+08:00","text":"對，這個是有保護令的部分。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:24:39.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:24:40.779000+08:00","text":"對，我想跟司法院確認一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T10:24:43.742000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:24:48.997000+08:00","text":"現在違反保護令有448件……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:24:50.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:24:51.198000+08:00","text":"448件是違反的。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T10:24:51.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:24:52.098000+08:00","text":"對，違反的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:24:52.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:24:54.859000+08:00","text":"然後你們統統都移送了嗎？","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T10:24:54.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:25:11.267000+08:00","text":"移送就是跟騷行為罪的有6,261件，就是有跟騷行為的，我們就是發書面告誡，而發書面告誡的有1萬1,703件，其中6,261件是再度違反的，就是有跟騷行為的有6,261件。","quality":0.677},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:25:11.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:25:13.790000+08:00","text":"是，然後違反了之後，不就是應該要移送到司法機關嗎？對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:25:13.790000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T10:25:28.405000+08:00","text":"那剛剛您說四百多件……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T10:25:28.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:25:38.074000+08:00","text":"如果違反跟騷罪的部分會移送司法機關，要聲請保護令的就直接跟法官聲請，就不用跟地檢署聲請了，我們就是被害人……","quality":0.612},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:25:41.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:25:45.922000+08:00","text":"跟法官聲請保護令的有多少比例成案？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:25:46.883000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:25:47.224000+08:00","text":"這部分有沒有統計？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:25:47.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:25:47.584000+08:00","text":"司法院有嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:25:51.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:26:01.056000+08:00","text":"就是民眾被發了書面告誡，再違反後，由警方再送給法官，法官裁定跟騷保護令的比例……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T10:26:01.056000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T10:26:02.056000+08:00","text":"我知道委員的意思，這部分我們是不是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:26:01.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:26:02.498000+08:00","text":"不曉得司法院有沒有統計？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:26:07.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:26:23.389000+08:00","text":"我先說一下，因為過去有很長一段時間，大家在討論毒駕這件事情，常常警方函送了之後，法院的裁判常常不符合民眾的期待，所以我不確定在跟騷法保護令這上面的發放情況。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"楊法官舒嵐","start":"2026-07-06T10:26:24.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:26:29.414000+08:00","text":"關於這個部分，我們逐年、逐月都有統計的數據，然後相關的裁判可以公開的，也有公開在……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:26:29.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:26:31.075000+08:00","text":"那你手邊有資料嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊法官舒嵐","start":"2026-07-06T10:26:31.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:26:31.475000+08:00","text":"目前沒有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:26:34.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:26:35.538000+08:00","text":"可不可以會後提供？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊法官舒嵐","start":"2026-07-06T10:26:36.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:26:36.338000+08:00","text":"會後提供。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:26:37.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:26:51.209000+08:00","text":"我想這些客觀的數據就分階段，一部分是警方，一部分是法官，希望讓大家看到一些背景的統計數據，才會知道這個法有沒有一些調整空間或者需要再加強的地方。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:26:52.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:27:10.117000+08:00","text":"另外，回到法的本身，我想確認一下，因為今天，包括我本人有一個修法的提案，就是要不要限定在「與性或性別有關」這件事情，當然目前部這一邊是認為維持原條文，對不對？是。","quality":0.814},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:27:11.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:27:17.280000+08:00","text":"問一種特殊的情況，如果是委託徵信社這樣的行為呢？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:27:17.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:27:50.718000+08:00","text":"委託徵信社來進行……就是我可能是對他有不良的目的，但是不是我本人來做這樣的行為，而是委託徵信社來做，但是徵信社並不會知道我的目的是什麼，或許我只是跟徵信社說，我只要他的一些行蹤或生活作息等等，針對這部分，如果陳情人要對徵信社來進行剛剛說的書面告誡的申請或報案的話，你們大概會怎麼判定？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T10:27:52.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:28:10.286000+08:00","text":"第一個判定當然是被跟蹤人的情境、意願，他的感知狀況是怎麼樣，他可能認為被跟的狀況是被愛慕，跟性有關係，我們也是會用這個案件來做調查……","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:28:10.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:28:12.829000+08:00","text":"對，調查之後，徵信社說：不是啊！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:28:13.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:28:14.692000+08:00","text":"我只是單純受理……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T10:28:15.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:28:15.914000+08:00","text":"我們會追啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-06T10:28:16.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T10:28:23.967000+08:00","text":"我們會追他的上游是不是真正有教唆他去做這樣的行為，這個要根據調查。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-06T10:28:2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人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第十二條條文修正草案」案；\n七、審查委員蘇清泉等29人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第十二條條文修正草案」案；八、審查委員廖\n先翔等22人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第三條、第四條及第九條條文修正草案」案；九、審查台灣民\n眾黨黨團擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第二條、第五條及第十二條條文修正草案」案；十、審查委員林\n宜瑾等18 人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第五條條文修正草案」案；十一、審查委員陳瑩等 19 人擬具\n「跟蹤騷擾防制法第五條條文修正草案」案（詢答）","agenda_id":"1155801_00001"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}