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誠如剛才警政署也有跟那個其他委員報告過就是目前我們的治療性處於計畫它有一些困難就是在於"},{"start":585.938,"end":604.309,"text":"這個部分首先必須要加害人配合前往鑑定再來就是鑑定的費用依照現行法制的話是被害人必須要負擔那所以這個部分警政署剛剛有回應說這邊他們會做修法的行為那至於這個認知教育輔導的部分這個部分其實也已經有法院裁定合法這一類的保護令了"},{"start":605.39,"end":628.541,"text":"那這一部分是因為他在執行的層面這個部分到底是屬於警政署或者是衛福部的職權他們可能彼此之間有一些稍微不同的想法可能必須要在這部分可能就是要讓主管機關這邊再來處理那如果這一個部分的問題得到解決之後相信法院這邊是樂於配合的對我認為啊就讓他們要去上上課看看他的這個心理啊"},{"start":630.128,"end":639.069,"text":"那個這樣子的話才會慢慢慢慢可不可以就是不是只是就是應該從根本去解決他的問題好不好好謝謝謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}