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橫平性請問現在真的很平嗎更讓人民難以接受的就是剛剛我剛剛徐玉珍委員也特別諮詢過土城獨駕案撞死劉姓所長的案件"},{"start":341.314,"end":364.354,"text":"二審時法服核准三位律師來去幫被告來辯護其中還有律師公開表示願意接案是因為支持廢除死刑我尊重每一位律師他的理念他的理想但是人民一定會問全民納稅前是不是變成在幫加害人爭取免死"},{"start":365.609,"end":370.979,"text":"那老實說 因公殉職的警察家屬呢請問誰站在他們旁邊誰來替他們承擔訴訟的壓力"},{"start":376.428,"end":401.789,"text":"我想這一個被害人呢他是檢察官就是代表被害人在控訴被告所以檢察官就是他最後最強的一個後盾不管調查或這方面檢察官就站在被害人身邊的包括環保協會都是在關懷著被害人的不是他沒有國家並沒有提供說這個部分全部由法府來處理讓法府"},{"start":403.01,"end":421.397,"text":"他對於這個為什麼派出三位律師我這邊要回來請教司法院也順便請教法輔基金會法輔在審理重大刑案的時候到底有沒有討論過有沒有檢討過公共資源的配置有沒有評估過是否符合設立的宗旨我想這個配置上來講我們既然是"},{"start":432.611,"end":443.452,"text":"法輔他為被告來辯護是我們的主要的這個業務那國民法官案子我們必須講的是說都一定要是三個律師才有辦法升任"},{"start":445.275,"end":468.323,"text":"兩個以上是最少要兩個因為一個律師沒有辦法在一個國民法官參審的法庭上能夠做到他所應該的事我其實不是講國民法官的事我只是單純的問我單純的講說檢討公共我們也不是講個案而是說重大型案的時候有沒有檢討過公共資源的配置有沒有評估過是否設立是否符合設立宗旨"},{"start":469.503,"end":478.207,"text":"我想我們不是討論個案吧是 合理好 謝謝 那我想再來對不起 本席時間比較有限那再來我想請教法務部好我想請教法務部"},{"start":490.883,"end":505.6,"text":"犯罪被害人權益保障法已經實施三年了法務部曾經說過要打造溫暖而有感的柔性司法可是很多被害人真實的感受是很溫暖的口號很冰冷的程序"},{"start":506.681,"end":523.488,"text":"可以參與但是意見不一定會被採納可以表示但量刑不一定會參考很多重大詐欺重大財產犯罪網路犯罪甚至少年刑事案件被害人的程序保障仍然非常有限尤其少年案件更是如此"},{"start":524.028,"end":542.942,"text":"很多被害人家屬最後收到的不是一份說明而只是一張通知司法好像有通知但是從來沒有真正溝通所以我在這邊請教法務部順便請教司法院少年事件處理法修法的進度目前是如何呢"},{"start":543.82,"end":560.076,"text":"那未來會不會把被害人及家屬的意見真正納入假釋保護管束等重要程序如果沒有採納如果沒有採納能不能要求主管機關具體說明理由而不是一句依法辦理就結束"},{"start":562.864,"end":586.161,"text":"有關於少年事件處理法的部分 這個部分我們已經有關於65條相關的包括訴訟參與 還有緩刑 還有前科的塗銷這個部分假釋的部分 還有前科塗銷的部分 我們的相關的修法都已經送到行政院去做彙顯了對於假釋被害人陳述意見的機會這個部分我們基本上立場是肯定的"},{"start":591.124,"end":617.58,"text":"那有跟委員報告其實因為到送到行政院審議就是基本上因為他的這個範圍其實是蠻大他不是針對其中的一點所以他的這個範圍像是蠻寬廣的所以說在這個討論時間上需要比較長的一個時間所以說我們也會針對委員提到的這個部分上去注意那跟委員另外報告的是說委員剛剛有提到的事實上我們的犯罪被害的一個這樣的一個輔助的部分其實我們有啟動"},{"start":618.92,"end":646.977,"text":"這個所謂的這個一路相伴的法律訴訟服務啦那委員之其中關心的就是說我們會未來可以更加強做的就是有關於說這個就各端的一個告知那比方說檢察機關還有飯堡協會還有警察機關都應該要讓我們的這些犯罪被害人知道他們遇到犯罪被害的時候他們有什麼樣的一個權益可以去做申請這未來我們也會針對這個方做精進本期今天不是要求說司法偏向被害人"},{"start":647.737,"end":668.263,"text":"本席要求的是司法不要只偏向程序而忘了人民對公平正義的期待如果國家一年願意投入15億保障加害人的辯護或是大部分的15億保護加害人的辯護是不是也應該投入相應對的資源來保障犯罪被害人的法律協助"},{"start":668.903,"end":695.263,"text":"如果司法願意一次又一次討論加害人的權利是不是更應該正視被害人的生命權財產權跟人格尊嚴在這邊我提出三點建議第一全面檢討犯罪被害人的訴訟參與制度讓被害人的意見在量刑假釋及相關程序中真正具有實質影響力而不是只來法院打卡走程序"},{"start":696.069,"end":724.23,"text":"第二 擴大訴訟參與制度適用範圍將重大詐欺、重大財產犯罪、網路犯罪及相關重大案件納入保障第三 全面檢討法扶基金會的資源配置建立被害人跟刑事被告的法律輔助的合理比例及審查標準讓公共資源真正兼顧公平而不是讓人民感覺起來司法"},{"start":724.75,"end":746.808,"text":"永遠都只站在加害人那一邊真正進步的司法不是只有保障加害人的權利而是讓犯罪被害人的權利尊嚴跟聲音都能被同等的重視唯有這樣子人民才會相信司法追求的是公平正義而不是讓被害人一次又一次變成被遺忘的人"},{"start":750.463,"end":771.678,"text":"謝謝委員那個犯罪被害的這個保護的部分我們的這個資源確實是有些感覺我們已經非常努力做但那個資源下一年是3.6億那我們會盡量的就是說希望在我們給我們的錢裡面我們盡量做好我們該做的事情我們期待說資源的配置還有實質上不要讓大家不要讓一般民眾覺得"},{"start":773.699,"end":784.587,"text":"活著的人加害人也比較有人權而如果不幸上身的人從被害人就變成被遺忘的人以上 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:23:43.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:23:43.348000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:23:44.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:23:49.807000+08:00","text":"主席、各位列席官員及在場的委員，大家好。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:23:51.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:24:04.391000+08:00","text":"根據統計，我國每年有數十萬件的刑事案件發生，但真正能獲得完整法律協助的犯罪被害人比例卻遠低於想像。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:24:05.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:24:18.938000+08:00","text":"以近年發生的重大刑案為例，不少被害人及家屬在案件發生之後，第一時間面對的不是制度的支持，而是資訊不足、程序陌生與經濟壓力的三重打擊！","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:24:20.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:24:32.702000+08:00","text":"有些家屬甚至必須變賣家產、發起募款，才能聘請律師參與訴訟；而同一時間，加害人卻已經在制度保障下，迅速獲得辯護資源。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:24:33.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:24:39.464000+08:00","text":"這樣的落差不只是制度問題，更是對公平正義的最直接衝擊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:24:39.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:25:13.325000+08:00","text":"今天我們談的是犯罪被害人訴訟參與制度，老實說，每次談到這個題目，本席的心情都相當沉重，因為司法存在的目的是為了維護公平正義，但很多犯罪被害人真實感受到的卻是，案子一發生，加害人很快就有律師、有制度、有程序保障，而被害人跟家屬卻往往缺乏及時且完整的支持，這難道不是一件最諷刺的事情嗎？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:25:14.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:25:28.746000+08:00","text":"本席要先說，本席不是反對保障被告的人權，程序正義本來就是民主法治國家的核心價值，但是當資源跟制度長期傾斜時，正義就會失去平衡！","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:25:29.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:25:35.933000+08:00","text":"所以第一，我要請教司法院跟法扶基金會。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-06T11:25:36.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:25:40.437000+08:00","text":"有請副秘書長及法扶基金會董事長。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"李副秘書長釱任","start":"2026-07-06T11:25:40.437000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T11:25:42.960000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:25:42.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:25:54.846000+08:00","text":"法扶基金會一年拿政府將近十五億的預算，這都是人民的納稅錢，其中，真正用在犯罪被害人及家屬身上的法律扶助到底有多少？","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:25:55.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:25:59.588000+08:00","text":"又有多少是用在刑事被告、加害人的辯護身上？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:26:00.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:26:00.629000+08:00","text":"請回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊董事長秋桃","start":"2026-07-06T11:26:04.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:26:12.904000+08:00","text":"法扶基金會在保障被害人方面，看起來好像跟被告比例差很多，主要是因為……","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:26:12.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:26:18.568000+08:00","text":"我們想知道到底兩邊的金額跟比例是多少？金額？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊董事長秋桃","start":"2026-07-06T11:26:18.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:26:22.270000+08:00","text":"就是扶助被害人的金額？對。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"莊董事長秋桃","start":"2026-07-06T11:26:22.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:26:47.821000+08:00","text":"應該沒有所謂金額，是比例、是案件數而已，准予扶助的刑事案件是三萬兩千多件，這是114年。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:26:48.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:26:49.243000+08:00","text":"那加害人的部分呢？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"莊董事長秋桃","start":"2026-07-06T11:26:50.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:27:03.614000+08:00","text":"在扶助被害人的案件數裡，包括少年、程序跟刑事偵查審判及相關救濟程序是3,035件。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:27:05.658000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:27:09.087000+08:00","text":"所以說被害人跟加害人是一比十？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:27:11.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:27:23.416000+08:00","text":"並不是說不能幫被告、幫加害人辯護，因為辯護權本來就是憲法的保障，我要問的是，資源的配置是不是已經失衡了？不是……","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:27:24.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:27:35.804000+08:00","text":"如果絕大多數的資源都往加害者身上去，而真正需要被協助的被害人及家屬只能自己花錢請律師，甚至要募款打官司！","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:27:36.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:28:04.578000+08:00","text":"本席記憶最深刻就是高雄師鐸獎得主被加害人惡意性侵傷害致死後，家屬不只一次自己請律師，我記得是請了三到四次以上；至於加害人，每一次都是法扶基金會請律師幫他辯護，這符合所謂的比例原則嗎？","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"莊董事長秋桃","start":"2026-07-06T11:28:04.578000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:28:31.045000+08:00","text":"我理解，我懂大家的看法，但我們國家的被害人並不是只有法扶可以幫他，還有檢察系統，且犯保協會也是站在被害人這邊；不僅如此，衛福部還有社會局，很多都是在幫助被害人，所以有多重的管道及網絡。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"莊董事長秋桃","start":"2026-07-06T11:28:31.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:28:47.768000+08:00","text":"由於我們有制度上的規定，即我們對於被害人必須審查其資力，也就是必須是無資力的，我們也可以協助做訴訟代理，所以這個部分……","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:28:48.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:28:49.508000+08:00","text":"您說的是加害人，還是被害人？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"莊董事長秋桃","start":"2026-07-06T11:28:49.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:28:51.609000+08:00","text":"不是，是被害人。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"莊董事長秋桃","start":"2026-07-06T11:28:51.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:28:55.890000+08:00","text":"我們有這個制度，也就是無資力，我們也可以去……","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:28:56.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:28:56.430000+08:00","text":"謝謝董事長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:28:56.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:29:04.452000+08:00","text":"行政法上常常講的三個原則，即適當性、必要性及衡平性，請問現在真的衡平嗎？","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:29:04.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:29:25.324000+08:00","text":"更讓人民難以接受的，也就是剛才許宇甄委員質詢時特別提到的，土城毒駕撞死劉姓所長的案件，二審時法扶核准三位律師幫被告辯護；其中還有律師公開表示，願意接案是因為支持廢除死刑。","quality":0.835},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:29:26.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:29:36.334000+08:00","text":"我尊重每一位律師的理念與理想，但人民一定會問，全民的納稅錢是不是變成在幫加害人爭取免死？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:29:39.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:29:40.815000+08:00","text":"請問因公殉職的警察家屬呢？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:29:41.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:29:42.959000+08:00","text":"請問誰站在他們旁邊、誰來替他們承擔訴訟壓力？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊董事長秋桃","start":"2026-07-06T11:29:48.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:30:13.549000+08:00","text":"我想檢察官就是代表被害人來控訴被告，所以檢察官就是他最強的後盾，不管在調查或這方面，檢察官就是站在被害人身邊的，包括犯保協會都是在關懷被害人，而且國家並沒有說這部分全部由法扶來處理。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"莊董事長秋桃","start":"2026-07-06T11:30:13.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:30:17.851000+08:00","text":"至於法扶為什麼派出三位律師？我想……謝謝。","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:30:19.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:30:28.415000+08:00","text":"我想請教司法院，也順便請教法扶基金會，法扶在審理重大刑案的法律扶助時，到底有沒有討論過、有沒有檢討過公共資源的配置？","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:30:28.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:30:32.797000+08:00","text":"有沒有評估過是否符合設立的宗旨？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊董事長秋桃","start":"2026-07-06T11:30:32.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:30:49.460000+08:00","text":"就配置來講，法扶為被告辯護是我們的主要業務。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"莊董事長秋桃","start":"2026-07-06T11:30:50.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:31:06.098000+08:00","text":"還有我們必須講的是，國民法官的案子一定要三個律師才有辦法勝任，最少也要兩個，因為一個律師沒有辦法在有國民法官參審的法庭上做到他所應該做的事……","quality":0.803},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:31:06.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:31:09.519000+08:00","text":"我講的不是國民法官，我只是單純問……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"莊董事長秋桃","start":"2026-07-06T11:31:09.519000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T11:31:10.519000+08:00","text":"可是毒駕這個案子……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:31:09.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:31:12.340000+08:00","text":"我只是單純在檢討公共資源配置，不是講個案。","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:31:12.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:31:16.281000+08:00","text":"也就是面對重大刑案時，有沒有檢討過公共資源的配置？","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:31:16.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:31:20.303000+08:00","text":"有沒有評估過是否符合設立宗旨？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:31:21.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:31:25.125000+08:00","text":"我想我們不是在討論個案，謝謝。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:31:26.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:31:29.586000+08:00","text":"對不起，本席時間比較有限，再來我想請教法務部。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-07-06T11:31:29.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:31:29.627000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:31:29.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:32:04.183000+08:00","text":"我想請教法務部，犯罪被害人權益保障法已經實施三年了，法務部曾經說過要打造溫暖而有感的柔性司法，可是很多被害人及家屬的真實感受是：很溫暖的口號，很冰冷的程序；可以參與，但意見不一定會被採納；可以表示，但量刑不一定會參考！","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:32:04.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:32:25.655000+08:00","text":"很多重大詐欺、重大財產犯罪、網路犯罪，甚至少年刑事案件的被害人程序保障仍然非常有限，尤其少年案件更是如此，很多被害人及家屬最後收到的不是一份說明，而只是一張通知，司法有通知，卻從來沒有真正溝通。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:32:26.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:32:34.762000+08:00","text":"所以我在這邊請教法務部，也順便請教司法院，少年事件處理法的修法進度目前如何？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:32:36.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:32:42.927000+08:00","text":"未來會不會把被害人及家屬的意見真正納入假釋、保護管束等重要程序中？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:32:45.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:32:52.056000+08:00","text":"如果沒有採納，能不能要求主管機關具體說明理由，而不是一句依法辦理就結束？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李副秘書長釱任","start":"2026-07-06T11:32:54.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:33:11.596000+08:00","text":"有關於少年事件處理法的部分，即與第六十五條相關的，包括訴訟參與、緩刑，還有前科塗銷、假釋部分之相關修法已經送到行政院會銜。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"李副秘書長釱任","start":"2026-07-06T11:33:13.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:33:18.141000+08:00","text":"而有關對於假釋，被害人陳述意見的機會，我們的立場基本上是肯定的。","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-07-06T11:33:23.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:33:41.555000+08:00","text":"也跟委員報告，案子已經送到行政院審議，但基本上它的範圍蠻大的，並非針對其中一點，也因為範圍算是蠻寬廣的，所以在討論上需要比較長的時間，我們也會針對委員提到的部分予以注意。","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-07-06T11:33:42.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:33:53.682000+08:00","text":"另外向委員報告，有關委員剛剛提到對犯罪被害人的扶助部分，其實我們有啟動所謂一路相伴的法律訴訟服務。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-07-06T11:33:54.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:34:15.695000+08:00","text":"至於委員所關心的，也就是未來我們可以更加強去做的有關各端的告知，比方說檢察機關、犯保協會及警察機關都應該要讓犯罪被害人知道他們遇到犯罪被害的時候有什麼樣的權益可以申請，未來我們也會針對這個部分去精進。","quality":0.863},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:34:15.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:34:25.859000+08:00","text":"本席今天不是要求司法偏向被害人，本席要求的是司法不要只偏向程序，而忘了人民對公平正義的期待。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:34:26.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:34:40.243000+08:00","text":"如果國家一年願意投入15億保障加害人的辯護，或是15億中的大部分去保護加害人的辯護，是不是也應該投入相對應的資源來保障犯罪被害人的法律協助？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:34:40.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:34:52.091000+08:00","text":"如果司法願意一次又一次討論加害人的權利，是不是更應該正視被害人的生命權、財產權跟人格尊嚴？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:34:53.933000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:35:07.243000+08:00","text":"第一，全面檢討犯罪被害人的訴訟參與制度，讓被害人的意見在量刑、假釋及相關程序中，真正具有實質影響力，而不是只來法院打卡、走程序。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:35:08.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:35:19.798000+08:00","text":"第二，擴大訴訟參與制度適用範圍，將重大詐欺、重大財產犯罪、網路犯罪及相關重大案件納入保障。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:35:20.658000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:35:39.692000+08:00","text":"第三，全面檢討法扶基金會的資源配置，建立被害人跟刑事被告在法律扶助的合理比例及審查標準，讓公共資源真正兼顧公平，而不是讓人民感覺司法永遠都只站在加害人的那一邊。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:35:39.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:35:58.788000+08:00","text":"真正進步的司法不是只有保障加害人的權利，而是讓犯罪被害人的權利、尊嚴跟聲音都能被同等的重視，唯有這樣，人民才會相信司法追求的是公平正義，而不是讓被害人一次又一次變成被遺忘的人。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-07-06T11:36:02.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:36:18.494000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，犯罪被害保護的部分，我們的資源確實是有些……感覺我們已經非常努力做，但那個資源現在一年是3.6億，我們會儘量地在給我們的錢裡面來做好我們該做的事情。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:36:18.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:36:35.646000+08:00","text":"我們期待資源配置在實質上不要讓一般民眾覺得活著的人、加害人比較有人權，而如果不幸喪生的人就從被害人變成被遺忘的人。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-07-06T11:36:36.487000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-06T11:36:36.587000+08:00","text":"以上，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-06T11:36:37.087000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T11:36:39.372714+08:00","text":"好，謝謝林沛祥委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-06T11:36:39.672714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T11:36:45.672714+08:00","text":"接下來請鄭天財委員，鄭天財委員，鄭天財委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-06T11:36:45.972714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-06T11:36:49.401286+08:00","text":"接下來有請張雅琳委員發言。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":775,"blocks":[["林委員沛祥：（11時23分）謝謝主席。主席、各位列席官員及在場的委員，大家好。根據統計，我國每年有數十萬件的刑事案件發生，但真正能獲得完整法律協助的犯罪被害人比例卻遠低於想像。以近年發生的重大刑案為例，不少被害人及家屬在案件發生之後，第一時間面對的不是制度的支持，而是資訊不足、程序陌生與經濟壓力的三重打擊！有些家屬甚至必須變賣家產、發起募款，才能聘請律師參與訴訟；而同一時間，加害人卻已經在制度保障下，迅速獲得辯護資源。這樣的落差不只是制度問題，更是對公平正義的最直接衝擊！","今天我們談的是犯罪被害人訴訟參與制度，老實說，每次談到這個題目，本席的心情都相當沉重，因為司法存在的目的是為了維護公平正義，但很多犯罪被害人真實感受到的卻是，案子一發生，加害人很快就有律師、有制度、有程序保障，而被害人跟家屬卻往往缺乏及時且完整的支持，這難道不是一件最諷刺的事情嗎？","本席要先說，本席不是反對保障被告的人權，程序正義本來就是民主法治國家的核心價值，但是當資源跟制度長期傾斜時，正義就會失去平衡！所以第一，我要請教司法院跟法扶基金會。"],["主席：有請副秘書長及法扶基金會董事長。"],["李副秘書長釱任：委員好。"],["林委員沛祥：法扶基金會一年拿政府將近十五億的預算，這都是人民的納稅錢，其中，真正用在犯罪被害人及家屬身上的法律扶助到底有多少？又有多少是用在刑事被告、加害人的辯護身上？請回答。"],["莊董事長秋桃：法扶基金會在保障被害人方面，看起來好像跟被告比例差很多，主要是因為……"],["林委員沛祥：我們想知道到底兩邊的金額跟比例是多少？"],["莊董事長秋桃：金額？就是扶助被害人的金額？"],["林委員沛祥：對。"],["莊董事長秋桃：應該沒有所謂金額，是比例、是案件數而已，准予扶助的刑事案件是三萬兩千多件，這是114年。"],["林委員沛祥：那加害人的部分呢？"],["莊董事長秋桃：在扶助被害人的案件數裡，包括少年、程序跟刑事偵查審判及相關救濟程序是3,035件。"],["林委員沛祥：所以說被害人跟加害人是一比十？並不是說不能幫被告、幫加害人辯護，因為辯護權本來就是憲法的保障，我要問的是，資源的配置是不是已經失衡了？"],["莊董事長秋桃：不是……"],["林委員沛祥：如果絕大多數的資源都往加害者身上去，而真正需要被協助的被害人及家屬只能自己花錢請律師，甚至要募款打官司！本席記憶最深刻就是高雄師鐸獎得主被加害人惡意性侵傷害致死後，家屬不只一次自己請律師，我記得是請了三到四次以上；至於加害人，每一次都是法扶基金會請律師幫他辯護，這符合所謂的比例原則嗎？"],["莊董事長秋桃：我理解，我懂大家的看法，但我們國家的被害人並不是只有法扶可以幫他，還有檢察系統，且犯保協會也是站在被害人這邊；不僅如此，衛福部還有社會局，很多都是在幫助被害人，所以有多重的管道及網絡。由於我們有制度上的規定，即我們對於被害人必須審查其資力，也就是必須是無資力的，我們也可以協助做訴訟代理，所以這個部分……"],["林委員沛祥：您說的是加害人，還是被害人？"],["莊董事長秋桃：不是，是被害人。我們有這個制度，也就是無資力，我們也可以去……"],["林委員沛祥：謝謝董事長。行政法上常常講的三個原則，即適當性、必要性及衡平性，請問現在真的衡平嗎？更讓人民難以接受的，也就是剛才許宇甄委員質詢時特別提到的，土城毒駕撞死劉姓所長的案件，二審時法扶核准三位律師幫被告辯護；其中還有律師公開表示，願意接案是因為支持廢除死刑。我尊重每一位律師的理念與理想，但人民一定會問，全民的納稅錢是不是變成在幫加害人爭取免死？請問因公殉職的警察家屬呢？請問誰站在他們旁邊、誰來替他們承擔訴訟壓力？"],["莊董事長秋桃：我想檢察官就是代表被害人來控訴被告，所以檢察官就是他最強的後盾，不管在調查或這方面，檢察官就是站在被害人身邊的，包括犯保協會都是在關懷被害人，而且國家並沒有說這部分全部由法扶來處理。至於法扶為什麼派出三位律師？我想……"],["林委員沛祥：謝謝。我想請教司法院，也順便請教法扶基金會，法扶在審理重大刑案的法律扶助時，到底有沒有討論過、有沒有檢討過公共資源的配置？有沒有評估過是否符合設立的宗旨？"],["莊董事長秋桃：就配置來講，法扶為被告辯護是我們的主要業務。還有我們必須講的是，國民法官的案子一定要三個律師才有辦法勝任，最少也要兩個，因為一個律師沒有辦法在有國民法官參審的法庭上做到他所應該做的事……"],["林委員沛祥：我講的不是國民法官，我只是單純問……"],["莊董事長秋桃：可是毒駕這個案子……"],["林委員沛祥：我只是單純在檢討公共資源配置，不是講個案。也就是面對重大刑案時，有沒有檢討過公共資源的配置？有沒有評估過是否符合設立宗旨？我想我們不是在討論個案，謝謝。","對不起，本席時間比較有限，再來我想請教法務部。"],["馮次長成：委員好。"],["林委員沛祥：我想請教法務部，犯罪被害人權益保障法已經實施三年了，法務部曾經說過要打造溫暖而有感的柔性司法，可是很多被害人及家屬的真實感受是：很溫暖的口號，很冰冷的程序；可以參與，但意見不一定會被採納；可以表示，但量刑不一定會參考！","很多重大詐欺、重大財產犯罪、網路犯罪，甚至少年刑事案件的被害人程序保障仍然非常有限，尤其少年案件更是如此，很多被害人及家屬最後收到的不是一份說明，而只是一張通知，司法有通知，卻從來沒有真正溝通。","所以我在這邊請教法務部，也順便請教司法院，少年事件處理法的修法進度目前如何？未來會不會把被害人及家屬的意見真正納入假釋、保護管束等重要程序中？如果沒有採納，能不能要求主管機關具體說明理由，而不是一句依法辦理就結束？"],["李副秘書長釱任：有關於少年事件處理法的部分，即與第六十五條相關的，包括訴訟參與、緩刑，還有前科塗銷、假釋部分之相關修法已經送到行政院會銜。而有關對於假釋，被害人陳述意見的機會，我們的立場基本上是肯定的。"],["馮次長成：也跟委員報告，案子已經送到行政院審議，但基本上它的範圍蠻大的，並非針對其中一點，也因為範圍算是蠻寬廣的，所以在討論上需要比較長的時間，我們也會針對委員提到的部分予以注意。","另外向委員報告，有關委員剛剛提到對犯罪被害人的扶助部分，其實我們有啟動所謂一路相伴的法律訴訟服務。至於委員所關心的，也就是未來我們可以更加強去做的有關各端的告知，比方說檢察機關、犯保協會及警察機關都應該要讓犯罪被害人知道他們遇到犯罪被害的時候有什麼樣的權益可以申請，未來我們也會針對這個部分去精進。"],["林委員沛祥：本席今天不是要求司法偏向被害人，本席要求的是司法不要只偏向程序，而忘了人民對公平正義的期待。如果國家一年願意投入15億保障加害人的辯護，或是15億中的大部分去保護加害人的辯護，是不是也應該投入相對應的資源來保障犯罪被害人的法律協助？如果司法願意一次又一次討論加害人的權利，是不是更應該正視被害人的生命權、財產權跟人格尊嚴？","在這邊我提出三點建議：第一，全面檢討犯罪被害人的訴訟參與制度，讓被害人的意見在量刑、假釋及相關程序中，真正具有實質影響力，而不是只來法院打卡、走程序。第二，擴大訴訟參與制度適用範圍，將重大詐欺、重大財產犯罪、網路犯罪及相關重大案件納入保障。第三，全面檢討法扶基金會的資源配置，建立被害人跟刑事被告在法律扶助的合理比例及審查標準，讓公共資源真正兼顧公平，而不是讓人民感覺司法永遠都只站在加害人的那一邊。","真正進步的司法不是只有保障加害人的權利，而是讓犯罪被害人的權利、尊嚴跟聲音都能被同等的重視，唯有這樣，人民才會相信司法追求的是公平正義，而不是讓被害人一次又一次變成被遺忘的人。"],["馮次長成：謝謝委員，犯罪被害保護的部分，我們的資源確實是有些……感覺我們已經非常努力做，但那個資源現在一年是3.6億，我們會儘量地在給我們的錢裡面來做好我們該做的事情。"],["林委員沛祥：我們期待資源配置在實質上不要讓一般民眾覺得活著的人、加害人比較有人權，而如果不幸喪生的人就從被害人變成被遺忘的人。以上，謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝林沛祥委員。","接下來請鄭天財委員，鄭天財委員，鄭天財委員不在。","接下來有請張雅琳委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":128,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-36-23","speakers":["翁曉玲","陳昭姿","吳宗憲","沈發惠","賴士葆","陳冠廷","林倩綺","許宇甄","林沛祥","張雅琳","莊瑞雄","范雲","蔡其昌","傅崐萁"],"page_start":57,"meetingDate":["2026-07-06"],"gazette_id":"1155901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1155901_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第23次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請司法院秘書長、法務部部長、財團法人法律扶助基金會、財團法人犯罪被害人保護協會針對\n「犯罪被害人訴訟參與制度之現況、檢討與精進」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1155901_00002"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}