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因為我們覺得說這個確實如果讓兒童有知的權利被尊重這也是一個我們應該去做的事情就以我剛剛所給你看到的衛福部的統計就是2021年到2025年就超過上萬個未成年他是受害人"},{"start":480.474,"end":505.319,"text":"所以數字並不是很少最近有一個很好的例子剛剛講到少家家事涉嫌法已經開始逐步實踐了因為兒少當事人的知情及參與是被保障的我覺得有一個正面的例子高雄少家院判決一對夫妻離婚法官就特別寫信向孩子說明判決的結果"},{"start":506.559,"end":522.896,"text":"扶養權的分配會面的交往而且很明確的告訴他這是法院的判決如果他對判決結果不同意不喜歡的話他其實是一個權益的主體他有最終的決定權這是一個很好的例子"},{"start":523.456,"end":542.404,"text":"那這部分所以司法院這邊是不是可以以這樣的例子我想不是每個法院法官都會做這樣的事情但是已經有法官能夠細緻這樣處理了是不是能夠把這樣的例子好好的推廣呢這個司法院代表可以回應一下嗎"},{"start":543.044,"end":561.222,"text":"是有關於易讀版的一些權利告知的通知書這個部分那這部分我們回去找業務廳來做研議把這相關的讓小朋友看得懂的文字包括注音符號把它上上去讓他了解他的權利在哪裡怎麼去行使他的權利"},{"start":561.963,"end":585.228,"text":"事實上在兒少法的36條之一已經有把相關的權利告知書送資訊獲知的相關權利都已經講得很清楚我們在開庭也都有一些相關的權利告知書的送達但是易讀版的部分的確是我們應該在做精進的像這個法官這麼努力的人比例有多少不知道那個副秘書長知道嗎"},{"start":586.972,"end":612.146,"text":"我真的不知道但是我覺得我非常佩服這位法官的用心這的確是我們應該要努力的方向因為所有的判決尤其這個孩子也是相關當事人有關於他的就是跟爸爸會面交往的時間比例各方面我想這也是他的基本權益那我希望就是希望能夠每個法官都能夠做到這樣不過這個需要制度的鼓勵"},{"start":614.666,"end":633.551,"text":"最後看起來兩位都認同兒少被害人更需要代理人協助現行的法規講到法服是法務部管對不對法服是司法院司法院有沒有特別保障未成年被害人禁用法服資源呢"},{"start":635.538,"end":659.273,"text":"我們是不是請法輔董事長有來請法輔董事長好未成年的被害人今天大家都聚焦被害人那我特別要提出未成年被害人我非常認同這個換委員剛才提到的未成年的被害人在這個法律輔助這方面也是我們的目"},{"start":660.168,"end":688.532,"text":"我們的對象那要怎麼樣能夠真正的了解孩子然後知道他的需求你剛剛提到的在20年前20 30年前美國就有被害兒童的法院那他們的所謂的剛剛就是要讓他能夠理解的一讀版的其實就是用繪本用繪本去顯示你到了法院你會遇到什麼事情"},{"start":689.059,"end":712.837,"text":"你會看到誰他有個繪本然後包括你的權利告知可能他也是會用繪本去講然後他都有一個專門的陪伴他身邊的一個心理諮商或者是相當的輔導員社工員然後會從孩子進入到法院沿途幾乎法院讓孩子走過的走到"},{"start":713.918,"end":741.035,"text":"還都是充滿了孩子喜歡的謝謝你分享這些例子那髮符再來可以怎麼做然後讓這一塊可以做好我想這個部分呢這個繪圖板這方面的一讀版我們髮符本身應該都可以做到那也可以放在網站上嗎對如果是我們可以的話我們就把它放在網站上那這個部分是可以去努力的就是說如果我們可以在"},{"start":742.128,"end":758.396,"text":"陪同孩子如果沒有法務律師去接手的話時間到了謝謝您的肯定跟承諾就法服的部分你們多久可以給本席一個報告呢就你們要怎麼做這些怎麼做的報告多久可以給本席兩年吧"},{"start":760.547,"end":781.069,"text":"兩個禮拜那個法輔董事長請回那再來我就想請問這是司法院跟法務部的部分我想第二點剛剛法輔已經承諾了那第一點跟第三點的部分兩位可以就你們各自的單位承諾多久可以給我一個初步的報告呢所以你們計畫怎麼做"},{"start":782.37,"end":801.204,"text":"跟委員報告一下有關於兒童繪本的部分事實上我們在司法院在去年還有今年透過未來少年的出版社幫我們出了兩本繪本有關於兒少友善法庭的繪本還有另外一個就是少年修復司法的內容的主題的繪本這兩個繪本都已經發佈了"},{"start":802.865,"end":806.268,"text":"那我想我們就去朝這個方向做前進用兒童繪本的方式來把他們的權利他們知道他們的權利在哪裡這部分我們在這一兩個禮拜之內我們把相關我們的計畫來跟委做說明有繪本很好但是我們想要的是普及性的他很簡單就可以知道可以參考聯合國的那個就是標準嗎"},{"start":826.503,"end":838.595,"text":"跟委員說明一下我們已經出了這兩個繪本在各學校的讀書館還有各法院都有讀書館大家也不一定有人真的就會進讀書館找到我是說一讀的然後可盡用很容易找到的盡快來做處理"},{"start":845.822,"end":865,"text":"也就是說有繪本是一個很好的基礎可是我們現在講的是都能夠使用到看到的要不然他不知道他有什麼權益那這個部分你剛講兩個禮拜可以給我一個初步的報告是不是好那法務部的次長呢是不是也可以跟委員報告其實我們的那個辦法協會他也有繪本"},{"start":865.7,"end":888.957,"text":"那當然關於說這樣的一個就是讓兒少有一個淺顯的一個異動的部分是不是給我們多一點時間一個月好嗎因為我們希望能夠周延一點那請你們先看一下聯合國那個兒少受害人他應該知道的然後怎麼做好不好那就是兩個禮拜跟一個月那我們就是下次一起繼續努力謝謝好 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