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他當然就可以在支領第一或第二類型的戰鬥部隊加級"},{"start":237.797,"end":261.132,"text":"所以他的薪水會更高那七月份以後軍公教一起調薪那個就是專業家級的部分調整為兩萬元所以這就是等於高中畢業生他進來當最低階的志願二兵他的薪水有四萬四那我們今年其實我們今年其實的招募都有一直有都有達到我們的招募目標我知道我知道就講了這些條件他為什麼還是不來"},{"start":263.052,"end":269.812,"text":"可是以我們的統計資料近年來我們的招募社的目標數我們的確都有達到那就設目標數太低啊"},{"start":272.878,"end":298.266,"text":"應該是有很多人想要來啊如果條件很好我的意思是說如果條件很好你們應該是很多人想要來啊部長我想幾個部分第一個剛剛委員提到的待遇當然是其中重要的之一那就待遇的部分我想我們在報告裡面也提到了我們現在大家都理解就是我們的這個"},{"start":300.487,"end":318.616,"text":"主戰部隊它的邊線比較低所以因此我們會在這個主戰部隊裡面要來調高它的加級那這個在去年去年我們調高了這個戰鬥加級那大幅的調高之後我想這個可以看到報告裡面顯示這個"},{"start":320.737,"end":349.796,"text":"招募的這個成效就不錯那因此我們會現在已經在進一步跟任總在那邊進行演繹也就是說有關於如何擴大這個戰鬥部隊加入一些勤領的對象然後還有戰鬥部隊的這個不同的類別那這些我們會根據他們的任務繁重程度還有他們的專業程度來做那現在必須跟委員報告確實有一部分會比較困難譬如說他具有高度專業的比如說"},{"start":350.616,"end":368.849,"text":"我們必須講說自動電軍或者是說我們一些我們還是要做一些軟體開發的一些工作那這個部分確實在跟社會上在比較這個的心智的部分我們也許並沒有那麼的容易那因此我們在這個部分要如何跟"},{"start":370.31,"end":396.006,"text":"這些學生我們能夠鎖定一些目標的這個對象然後我們讓這些對象能夠理解國軍在各方面不只待遇在各項的福利措施上面也不錯那我們甚至對這些高專我們的金管的歷練我們也可以做一些檢討那我們盡量來吸取我們認為這個需要的一些比較跟需要跟外界高度競爭的這樣子的一個專業人才"},{"start":398.267,"end":419.754,"text":"這些我們都要努力另外當然必須要再講一點,因為剛剛有報告有提到,我們的可真亦然的人數也是在下降可真亦然人數下降,我們還是會定一個目標值,也就是說按照我們可真亦然全部的人數"},{"start":421.014,"end":448.011,"text":"我們還是會訂一個目標值,這個目標值是不太會變的但是因為隨著這個可證依然人數,現在因為出生率下降嘛那可證依然比例不變,那絕對值的人數會稍微減少但不管他怎麼減少,我們還是會希望能夠達到這個目標這是我們現在要做到的好,謝謝就是繼續加油啦,不然我看你們條件越開越好然後呢這個"},{"start":449.175,"end":465.937,"text":"也希望更多人來參與,我再請教另外一個問題,有沒有一種可能就是說他去當志願,大學畢業,這個過程當中他順便就練完研究所了,就是說他其實是在當兵"},{"start":466.918,"end":494.953,"text":"當志願役,那這是他大學畢業然後他就在部隊裡頭他就在部隊裡頭,譬如說每天的晚上或者是什麼六日之類就是跟外面的大學合作,那就研究所的課那對這大學畢業生來說反正他大學畢業去讀一般的研究所跟我來從軍,我還領一個月領四五萬那其實我在部隊裡頭,我還在練研究所"},{"start":496.131,"end":521.903,"text":"就是有一些這個性質的這些單位啦,就是說他不要剛剛講這個資通電軍,他也在裡面練研究所,他也在領薪水,其實這個會不會對他們更有吸引力?對,委員講得很好,這兩個部分,一個是如何增加他的專業,如何讓提供他在不影響戰備任務的情況之下,能夠繼續提高他的學養。"},{"start":522.603,"end":545.841,"text":"那這個部分的研究所關於相關的這些補助,我想我們都有這個詳細的可以...報告委員,跟你報一下,我們在不影響戰備任務下,我們可以鼓勵官兵參與空域進修那可以甚至透過營區設置教學點,跟學校交流合作,讓官兵利用晚上時間可以修讀學士或是碩士都可以"},{"start":546.281,"end":569.654,"text":"這個現在有在做嗎?有有有,現在就是說各部隊會跟他附近的這些大學會進行交流那在利用這個夜間,或者在不影響戰略任務的情況之下他甚至可以派老師到營區裡面來教課,然後可以讓他取得這樣的一個碩士資格我是看到非常多的人在從事這方面那這個現在執行狀況怎麼樣?"},{"start":574.978,"end":583.767,"text":"我到每個營區去都有看到很多人都不斷的在接受這個所以有很多就因為這樣而可以轉"},{"start":587.2,"end":608.689,"text":"轉士官轉軍官這樣子他們只要有努力就可以拿到這些學位的話因此可以轉那另外就是有一些高專的能力我們也會像中電軍有一些課程我們就會安排他到也都是由我們提供相關的經費來安排他去再去繼續來取得這些專業的這些能力跟證照這樣子"},{"start":609.309,"end":619.223,"text":"好這個很好啦就是說他他大學畢業嘛那他出去工作其實也不好找那他來從軍薪水比較高那其實在裡面"},{"start":620.131,"end":648.61,"text":"也練完研究所他會跟他的同採同期的同學大學畢業同學比嗎我在這邊一個月可能你四五萬我還軍中還讓我練研究所一樣兩年兩年半三年我也拿到碩士學位那我的同學他可能直接去練研究所他也沒錢啊或者是他去工作他也沒有練研究所啊我在軍中我就在這個區域裡頭在這間教室我在做當兵的事情我也在練研究所這個聽起來我個人認為這個聽起來有吸引力"},{"start":651.312,"end":670.786,"text":"所以這部分可能比較多元一點,讓這些來重建,包括家長家長有時候也會影響,說你找不到錢,去做阿兵哥一個月,四、五萬也不錯,實在是老闆求素,不然你賺多少都流利,這些家長也許就會鼓勵他"},{"start":671.546,"end":693.218,"text":"去當這個志願力是是 這委員說的很好我們確實 這個是我們的一個很重要的一個政策讓他跟在地的這些鄰近的這些大學或者怎麼樣來進行合作然後取得碩士這個說真的我看到很多營區的好 那這個部分是不是請這個相關的單位就目前執行的這些狀況在簡單的幾頁的這個圖表給我參考好不好好 好 謝謝謝謝 謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:17:12.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:17:16.230000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請藍司長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-08T09:17:16.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:17:21.972000+08:00","text":"請藍司長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"藍司長靜婷","start":"2026-07-08T09:17:21.972000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T09:17:22.972000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:17:21.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:17:23.312000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝你們，辛苦了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:17:24.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:17:28.774000+08:00","text":"招募志願役，你們現在的設定，你剛剛有提到目標嘛！","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:17:29.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:17:30.194000+08:00","text":"目標族群。是。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:17:30.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:17:33.335000+08:00","text":"你們現在設定的目標族群在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:17:37.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:17:39.657000+08:00","text":"你們不是要招募志願役嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:17:40.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:17:40.037000+08:00","text":"對不對？對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:17:41.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:17:44.211000+08:00","text":"族群在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王次長智輝","start":"2026-07-08T09:17:44.211000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T09:17:45.211000+08:00","text":"委員好，我是人事參謀次長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王次長智輝","start":"2026-07-08T09:17:44.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:17:55.457000+08:00","text":"我們的族群主要是兩個對象，一個是在學的、學校的學生青年，就是高中職應屆畢業生或大學畢業生，另外一個就是社會青年。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:17:58.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:17:58.779000+08:00","text":"這不叫目標啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:18:00.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:18:02.081000+08:00","text":"這個是在茫茫人海中找。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:18:03.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:18:07.634000+08:00","text":"有沒有要找哪一種特質的人，他可能出現在什麼地方？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:18:07.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:18:15.696000+08:00","text":"不然你們辦那個大學博覽會，跟一堆大學弄在一起，看不到你們的特色，所以你們招不贏人家。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:18:17.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:18:25.119000+08:00","text":"有沒有想過用什麼方法找到你們想要的人來當志願役士兵？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王次長智輝","start":"2026-07-08T09:18:27.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:18:42.213000+08:00","text":"報告委員，跟你報告一下，我舉個例子，在高中職學校我們都有設置招募站，會透過教官和老師，針對軍種需求還有學生本身的適性發展，去找適合我們的……","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:18:42.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:19:01.922000+08:00","text":"那個我都知道，如果你們剛好有退伍軍官回到學校當校安人員，然後學長、學弟……就請他拜託幫忙招一下，在這個校安人員的辦公室外面就貼了一堆海報，然後看有沒有人會進來問，就這樣嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:19:02.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:19:03.643000+08:00","text":"這很被動啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:19:04.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:19:06.245000+08:00","text":"這是相當被動。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:19:09.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:19:18.200000+08:00","text":"為什麼大家不去當職業軍官、軍人，這個關鍵的事情我覺得你們要去了解。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:19:19.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:19:35.117000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有分析過，現在大學畢業生的薪水跟來當阿兵哥、職業的，職業軍官或者士兵，就薪水上是不是他們最在乎的，有沒有做過這種調查？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王次長智輝","start":"2026-07-08T09:19:40.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:19:42.394000+08:00","text":"這部分目前我們是沒有在做……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:19:42.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:19:45.536000+08:00","text":"你們都搞不清楚對手嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:19:46.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:19:59.245000+08:00","text":"你們在找大學生、大學畢業以後能夠志願從軍，而這些人可能就跑去民間公司，可能每天在家待業中，也可能在準備考高普考，對不對？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:19:59.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:20:06.090000+08:00","text":"考國營事業，大家有不同的規劃，有些想要繼續念研究所，你們是他們的其中一個選擇。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:20:08.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:20:13.524000+08:00","text":"跟你們一起在找這些人、搶這些人的過程當中，對手開的條件你們清楚嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王次長智輝","start":"2026-07-08T09:20:13.524000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:20:14.945000+08:00","text":"這部分我們還是需要……我們都有在研究，但是沒有像委員說的可能分得那麼細。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:20:15.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:20:15.185000+08:00","text":"不是這樣……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王次長智輝","start":"2026-07-08T09:20:15.185000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T09:20:16.185000+08:00","text":"對，類似……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:20:15.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:20:15.365000+08:00","text":"這樣怎麼招啦！唉唷！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:20:31.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:20:36.610000+08:00","text":"你們現在不是要招大學畢業生或高中畢業生從軍？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:20:36.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:20:37.651000+08:00","text":"對不對？是。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:20:37.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:20:37.971000+08:00","text":"志願役。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:20:38.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:20:41.835000+08:00","text":"那你總要搞清楚他們為什麼不來，以及一些人為什麼來？好啦！","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:20:41.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:20:42.176000+08:00","text":"請你們去做一些了解。","quality":1},{"speaker":"藍司長靜婷","start":"2026-07-08T09:20:47.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:20:54.726000+08:00","text":"報告委員，以我的了解，以志願役士兵為例，我們就是招募高中畢業生。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"藍司長靜婷","start":"2026-07-08T09:20:55.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:21:10.138000+08:00","text":"他進來了以後，目前在我們志願役二兵的話，他的薪水大概是四萬二左右；他如果能夠到戰鬥部隊服務的話，當然就可以再支領第一或第二類型的戰鬥部隊加給，所以他的薪水會更高。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"藍司長靜婷","start":"2026-07-08T09:21:11.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:21:22.606000+08:00","text":"7月份以後軍公教一起調薪，就是專業加給的部分調增2……等於高中畢業生進來當最低階的志願役二兵，他的薪水有四萬四。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"藍司長靜婷","start":"2026-07-08T09:21:24.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:21:28.709000+08:00","text":"近年的招募，一直都有達到我們的招募目標。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:21:28.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:21:32.132000+08:00","text":"我知道，你講了這些條件，他為什麼還是不來？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"藍司長靜婷","start":"2026-07-08T09:21:34.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:21:39.267000+08:00","text":"可是以我們的統計資料，近年來招募設的目標數，我們的確都有達到。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:21:39.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:21:44.898000+08:00","text":"那就是設的目標數太低，應該是很多人想要來啊！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:21:45.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:21:46.599000+08:00","text":"如果條件很好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王次長智輝","start":"2026-07-08T09:21:46.599000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T09:21:47.599000+08:00","text":"我跟你報告一下……","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:21:47.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:21:54.061000+08:00","text":"我的意思是如果條件很好，應該是很多人想要來。部長。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T09:21:54.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:22:01.844000+08:00","text":"我想就幾個部分，第一個，剛剛委員提到的待遇當然是其中重要的……之一？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T09:22:01.844000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T09:22:02.844000+08:00","text":"是，之一。","quality":0},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T09:22:02.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:22:33.738000+08:00","text":"就待遇的部分，我們在報告裡面也提到了，現在大家都理解，就是我們的主戰部隊編現比比較低，因此我們會在主戰部隊裡面調高他們的加給，去年我們調高了戰鬥加給，大幅調高之後，可以看到報告裡面顯示招募的成效就不錯。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T09:22:34.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:22:54.151000+08:00","text":"所以我們現在已經在進一步跟人總進行研議，就是有關如何擴大戰鬥部隊加給請領對象，還有戰鬥部隊不同的類別，這些我們會根據他們的任務繁重程度和專業程度來做。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T09:22:54.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:23:51.288000+08:00","text":"現在必須跟委員報告，確實有一部分會比較困難，比如說具有高度專業的資通電軍或者我們還是要做一些軟體開發的工作，這些部分和社會上比較，我們的薪資也許並沒有那麼容易，因此我們要如何跟這些學生鎖定一些目標對象，讓這些對象能夠理解國軍不只待遇，各項福利措施也不錯，甚至對高專方面的經管歷練也可以做一些檢討，儘量吸引比較需要跟外界高度競爭的專業人才，這些我們都要努力。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T09:23:54.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:24:02.671000+08:00","text":"另外必須再講一點，因為剛剛說有報導提到，我們可徵役男的人數也是……","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:24:03.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:24:03.752000+08:00","text":"在下降？","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T09:24:04.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:24:32.987000+08:00","text":"可徵役男人數在下降，可是我們還是會訂一個目標值，也就是按照可徵役男的全部人數，我們還是會訂一個目標值，這個目標值是不太會變的，但是隨著出生率下降，可徵役男人數……比例不變，絕對值的人數會稍微減少，但是不管怎麼減少，我們還是希望能夠達到這個目標，這是我們現在要做到的。","quality":0.858},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:24:33.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:24:35.488000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，繼續加油！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:24:36.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T09:24:41.797000+08:00","text":"不然我看你們條件越開越好，也希望更多人來參與。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-07-08T09:24:41.797000+08:00",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報告一下……"],["王委員義川：我的意思是如果條件很好，應該是很多人想要來。部長。"],["顧部長立雄：我想就幾個部分，第一個，剛剛委員提到的待遇當然是其中重要的……"],["王委員義川：之一？"],["顧部長立雄：是，之一。就待遇的部分，我們在報告裡面也提到了，現在大家都理解，就是我們的主戰部隊編現比比較低，因此我們會在主戰部隊裡面調高他們的加給，去年我們調高了戰鬥加給，大幅調高之後，可以看到報告裡面顯示招募的成效就不錯。所以我們現在已經在進一步跟人總進行研議，就是有關如何擴大戰鬥部隊加給請領對象，還有戰鬥部隊不同的類別，這些我們會根據他們的任務繁重程度和專業程度來做。","現在必須跟委員報告，確實有一部分會比較困難，比如說具有高度專業的資通電軍或者我們還是要做一些軟體開發的工作，這些部分和社會上比較，我們的薪資也許並沒有那麼容易，因此我們要如何跟這些學生鎖定一些目標對象，讓這些對象能夠理解國軍不只待遇，各項福利措施也不錯，甚至對高專方面的經管歷練也可以做一些檢討，儘量吸引比較需要跟外界高度競爭的專業人才，這些我們都要努力。","另外必須再講一點，因為剛剛說有報導提到，我們可徵役男的人數也是……"],["王委員義川：在下降？"],["顧部長立雄：可徵役男人數在下降，可是我們還是會訂一個目標值，也就是按照可徵役男的全部人數，我們還是會訂一個目標值，這個目標值是不太會變的，但是隨著出生率下降，可徵役男人數……比例不變，絕對值的人數會稍微減少，但是不管怎麼減少，我們還是希望能夠達到這個目標，這是我們現在要做到的。"],["王委員義川：好，謝謝，繼續加油！不然我看你們條件越開越好，也希望更多人來參與。","我再請教另外一個問題，有沒有一種可能，就是他大學畢業，然後去當志願役，在這個過程當中，他就順便念完研究所？也就是說，他其實是在當兵、服志願役，他大學畢業，然後就在部隊裡頭，譬如說每天晚上或是禮拜六、日，和外面的大學合作，上研究所的課？這對大學畢業生來說，和畢業後去讀一般的研究所相比，從軍的話，一個月可以領四、五萬元，其實在部隊裡頭還在念研究所。所以某些性質的單位，譬如剛剛講的資通電軍，他剛好可以在裡面念研究所，同時也在領薪水，這樣會不會對他們更有吸引力？"],["顧部長立雄：對，委員講得很好，就是兩個部分，一個是如何增加他的專業，一個是在不影響戰備任務的情況之下，讓他繼續提高學養，針對研究所的相關補助，我們都有，詳細情形請次長說明。"],["王次長智輝：報告委員，在不影響戰備任務之下，我們可以鼓勵官兵參與公餘進修，甚至透過營區設置教學點，跟學校交流合作，讓官兵利用晚上的時間修讀學士或碩士，都可以。"],["王委員義川：這個現在有在做？"],["顧部長立雄：有，現在就是各部隊會跟它附近的大學進行交流，利用夜間或者在不影響戰備任務的情況之下，甚至可以派老師到營區裡面來教課，讓他們取得碩士資格，我看到非常多人在從事這方面……"],["王委員義川：現在的執行狀況怎麼樣？"],["顧部長立雄：我看很多人都有……我到每個營區去，都看到很多人不斷在接受這個……所以有很多就因此而可以轉士官、轉軍官，他們只要努力，就可以拿到學位，也因此就可以轉。另外就是有些高專人力，像資通電軍，有些課程也都是由我們提供相關經費，安排他繼續取得專業能力和證照。"],["王委員義川：這樣很好，因為他大學畢業，工作其實並不好找，從軍薪水比較高，在裡面也可以念完研究所，他會跟他的同儕、大學畢業的同學比，我在軍中一個月領四、五萬元，部隊還讓我念研究所，一樣兩年、兩年半、三年，我也拿到碩士學位，直接去念研究所的同學沒薪水，直接去工作的同學就沒有念研究所，可是我在軍中，反正我就在這個區域裡頭，在這間教室做當兵的事情，可是我也在拿研究所學位，我個人認為這個聽起來有吸引力。所以這個部分可能比較多元一點，讓這些從軍的人，包括家長，家長有時候也會有影響，就是認為自己的孩子找不到工作，去當職業軍人一個月四、五萬也不錯，還可以順便念研究所，不然在外面也是無所事事；家長也許就會鼓勵自己的子弟去服志願役。"],["顧部長立雄：是。委員說得很好，這確實是我們很重要的一個政策，跟在地的、鄰近的大學合作，讓他取得碩士資格，說真的，我看到很多營區……"],["王委員義川：那這個部分是不是請相關單位就目前的執行狀況，提出簡單幾頁的圖表給我參考，好不好？"],["顧部長立雄：好。"],["王委員義川：好，謝謝。"],["顧部長立雄：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝。接下來請陳俊宇委員上台質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":222,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-35-26","speakers":["馬文君","王義川","陳俊宇","羅美玲","陳永康","黃建賓","王定宇","王安祥","沈伯洋","徐巧芯","牛煦庭","鍾佳濱","賴士葆","楊瓊瓔","陳冠廷","葉元之","黃仁","林楚茵"],"page_start":165,"meetingDate":["2026-07-08"],"gazette_id":"1155901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1155901_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第26次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「少子化衝擊下國軍人力資源政策與未來因應規劃」，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1155901_00004"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}