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剛剛柯立委有說到就是比較特殊的不過我其實講一個更大的就是說希望部長能夠是不是可以讓他這個兵線筆下滑的速度可以支持止住讓他那個曲線能夠比較不要繼續往下掉"},{"start":157.672,"end":178.679,"text":"這當然是我們現在要努力的一個方向所以必須也坦承跟委員報告就是說我們在報告裡面有提到因為我們現在一年級的151人數會逐年增加因為大部分的人都在念大學所以明年會有比較多的151人數進來"},{"start":180.407,"end":206.646,"text":"那這一位人數進來之後他是經過一年的一個比較完整的訓練那這些訓練的這個人力如果他能夠符合我們各部隊的一個要求的需求的話我們就會要導入各部隊所以我們會提到就是說現在大家都在講那個戰鬥部隊的這個編線所以我們會有提到我們會跟人總規劃就是說"},{"start":208.482,"end":224.302,"text":"EVE如果他願意去戰鬥部隊的話,他也是可以領戰鬥部隊的假期,那一方面第一個,他人數多,他有這樣子的意願的人數可能也會多,那第二個我們再增加這樣的誘因,"},{"start":227.226,"end":246.841,"text":"我們自願意的招募還是要持續的加強讓我們有一個完整的義務役的訓練然後讓他取得一個高專的能力然後讓我們納入貨幣的邊管然後來持續維持他的能力然後這樣子我想這個是我們現在如果"},{"start":247.841,"end":273.931,"text":"換換的來講就是我們整套的一個政策規劃所以部長剛剛比較著重在這個就是意義它會增加嘛那還有基層的官司兵因為現在很多可能是四個月的那它兵很多但是它可能不具有這個特殊的訓練那我們需要還有足夠的士官足夠的軍官這樣所以部長選訓練有的很重要啦那我一看到你們的報告裡面那個那個選的部分徵選的部分看到有放寬部分的一些條件"},{"start":274.991,"end":275.832,"text":"第三頁的部分,志願事關甄選的部分"},{"start":290.803,"end":307.908,"text":"士兵,這邊是士兵甄選的部分,還有放官部分的那個宣告是是是,這個是有關那個放官甄選的部分,就是說身高的限制啊身高的限制就取消了,因為過去是多少是直接沒有那個身高的限制,還是說"},{"start":309.684,"end":323.39,"text":"就是高沒有限制了是是是那個部長應該知道我們在學這個這個這個倡議很久了覺得現在科這個科技化的部隊嗎其實這個這個比較以前的想法應該可以可以把它拿掉對對"},{"start":325.291,"end":353.004,"text":"身高最高一部分這個限制已經拿掉了那最低身高是降到150那另外一個就是沒有不是因為品德因素而提前退伍的話可以放寬再錄影所以我覺得這個部分可能部長可以考慮一下我覺得因為現在科技漸進也許是坐在週刊機前面這個過去的很多想法可能不大一樣這個可以提供部長參考那當然另外一個就是有關於我們現在看起來這個"},{"start":354.244,"end":380.06,"text":"女性的這個人力運用非常重要那我也看到這個好像布裡面有關於這個相關跟我們那邊要性供要對齊的部分好像我們也送進來了我們那個職業的那個市民的那個條例不管是六條之一或是六條我看到都已經對齊了你說我們那個以前叫育嬰育嬰流體現在已經改成育兒流體已經改到六歲了對不對好像剛剛已經送進來了"},{"start":381.021,"end":409.204,"text":"那我不曉得這個過去啊 你們評估如果這個變成六歲啊 這個過去和現在啊那個我們的女性的 我們的官兵 他們可以請到這個育嬰留庭的狀況怎麼樣市長這個可能要 我們回去我們去再統計一下好好 再給我們一些資料那這一次可以看到啊 這個不論是我們的倡議啊 或是賴總統的那個大禮包啊其實真的這個事情都有正面的回應了 包括這個產價已經拉到 希望拉到12週啦"},{"start":410.365,"end":439.89,"text":"我們當然希望因為部隊的女性的身分當然比較特別我們還是希望她能夠真的享受到這些我們嬰嬰嫂子女化給她的一些不同的一些組織我另外一個問題就是我們現在其實在性供或者是救護服務法救保保險法我們都有考慮到那種所謂的家庭照顧現在叫育兒假我們現在這邊軍方這邊有沒有考慮到那個部分"},{"start":442.852,"end":460.287,"text":"我們現在家庭照顧價是7日,這個有規範?我知道,這個是現行的啦,不過我們那邊現在都已經拉高了有一種說法是要跟義和流挺要來合併計算,不曉得軍方這邊也沒有這種想法我想我們軍的部分都跟公教會對齊"},{"start":461.408,"end":483.354,"text":"所以相關他們那個性別公共平衡法或者是就業保險法他們有相關的修正或是這邊也都相對應的就已經修正了對 因為我們現在那邊其實希望這個爸爸媽媽都能夠請所以他們現在還有就有規劃這種所謂的爸媽都有請的時候可以可以對我們軍的部分都會 應該都會對齊對齊 對齊好好"},{"start":486.98,"end":502.878,"text":"那當然啦 我剛剛說了就是說軍方這邊我們得到的訊息啦是大家要請這種東西是不是因為有一些特殊的任務啦比較困難不曉得這個部長對於這個事情的話在軍方這邊在推動上有沒有什麼困難或者是覺得應該要還有什麼需要協助的部分"},{"start":503.823,"end":519.835,"text":"以前叫育嬰留庭,以前是三歲嘛,我剛剛說已經改到六歲了我們現在都配合政府現在的人口新戰略所以我們修法的部分也都已經行政院院會我們都有提出去"},{"start":531.162,"end":556.232,"text":"我好幾次都一直在呼籲這個事情除了這個托育這個托嬰的部分其實我們在外面就兩歲以下的部分其實是非常需要我上次不管在預算或質詢的時候有特別提到這個好像這邊的回答是好像已經在規劃北中南好幾個有四處的部分嗎是 這個部分也確實是在規劃當中是不是可以跟大家說一下大概軍方現在規劃的一個狀況"},{"start":557.645,"end":577.109,"text":"委員好,我是政戰局的副局長。我們現在目前規劃托育中心兩歲以下的,我們總共選擇四處,地點都已經挑好了。其中我們高雄左營醫院,它現在在整建當中,大概預計會在年底到明年年初就可以招生了。"},{"start":577.429,"end":597.944,"text":"是 是 好 好 那我想今天我就做個結論啦我覺得小心理的話 真正我們這個大方向整個比較上位的政策上一定要到位啦不管從選啊 訓啊 這個學習任務的部分都要跟上啦那因為我們其他那邊 不管是公 或者是私部門那邊都有做一些處理我也希望軍方能夠跟他們對齊"},{"start":598.644,"end":609.542,"text":"不過我也了解啦我知道軍方的很多任務是比較特殊的所以我們也可以再來規劃看看怎麼樣因應我們那邊做的一些倡議的部分以上 謝謝部長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:32:12.834000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:32:14.184000+08:00","text":"感謝主席，有請顧部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-08T10:32:14.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:32:14.205000+08:00","text":"請顧部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T10:32:14.205000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T10:32:23.583000+08:00","text":"王委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:32:23.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:32:23.783000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:32:25.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:32:44.519000+08:00","text":"今天排這個專報其實非常重要，因為現在不論是在公部門或私部門都在謹慎因應少子女化這件事情，而且我常常在提醒，現在面對這個問題要比過去更嚴肅地面對，而且反應的速度要更快，因為我們人口數真的下降非常多。","quality":0.924},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:32:45.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:33:35.535000+08:00","text":"在今天的報告裡面，我看到有很多很不錯的資訊，這幾天媒體也充分地在做運用，像是115年6月份志願留營增加了大概5,000人左右，我覺得這是一個相當好的指標，不過還是要提醒部長可能要注意一些數字：第一個是志願役比率的狀況，我們可以看到減少的人數在減少，這是一個好現象，不過剛剛定宇委員也在問這件事情，也就是編現比的部分，大家可以看到相關數字還在繼續往下滑落。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:33:37.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:33:50.139000+08:00","text":"我們比較關心的是，剛剛定宇委員也提到有一些比較重要的特殊部隊，它的編現比現在是不是已經低於某一個程度，我們都非常關切這個議題，不曉得部長怎麼看所謂編現比的部分？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T10:33:52.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:34:33.778000+08:00","text":"有關編現比的部分，剛剛王委員提到的就是要維持一定的戰力，我們現在就是要去分析每一個部隊所能夠具備的戰力，根據他的程度加以分析並統計出一個結果，然後根據這樣的分析結果，我們再來具體強化他的戰力，在一旦有事的時候就能夠立即作戰，然後……","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:34:33.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:34:48.209000+08:00","text":"剛剛定宇委員有說到就是比較特殊的部隊，不過我其實要講一個更大的問題，就是部長是不是能夠讓編現比下滑的速度止住，讓它的曲線不要繼續往下掉？","quality":0.766},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T10:34:49.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:35:29.199000+08:00","text":"這當然是我們現在要努力的方向，我也必須坦白跟委員報告，我們在報告裡面有提到現在一年期的義務役人數會逐年增加，因為目前大部分的人都在念大學，所以明年會有比較多的義務役人數進來，這些義務役人數進來之後，他是經過一年比較完整的訓練，這些訓練的人力如果能夠符合各部隊需求的話，我們就會導入各部隊。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T10:35:31.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:36:21.802000+08:00","text":"現在大家都在講戰鬥部隊的編現比，所以我們提到我們會跟人總規劃，如果義務役願意去戰鬥部隊的話，他也是可以領戰鬥部隊的加給，一方面他的人數多，有這樣子意願的人數可能也會多，第二個我們再增加誘因，然後志願役的招募還是要持續加強，讓我們有一個完整的義務役訓練，讓他取得高專的能力並納入後備的編管，持續來維持他的能力，這就是我們整套的政策規劃。","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:36:21.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:36:25.703000+08:00","text":"所以部長剛剛比較著重在義務役會增加，不過在……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T10:36:27.444000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:36:38.528000+08:00","text":"還有基層的官士兵，因為現在很多可能是4個月役期的，雖然這樣的兵很多，但是他可能不具有特殊的技能，我們還需要有足夠的士官和足夠的軍官。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:36:39.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:36:45.911000+08:00","text":"所以選、訓、用、留都很重要，我也看到你們的報告裡面提到在甄選方面有放寬部分的條件，其中特別提到身高，不曉得現在放寬的狀況是怎麼樣？","quality":0.448},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:36:45.911000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T10:36:46.911000+08:00","text":"增加了多少……","quality":0},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T10:36:46.911000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T10:36:47.911000+08:00","text":"您是指……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:36:47.911000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T10:36:48.911000+08:00","text":"第3頁的部分，也就是志願士兵甄選有放寬部分的身高限制。","quality":0.292},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T10:36:47.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:37:15.527000+08:00","text":"是的，有關放寬甄選的部分是把身高的限制取消了，因為過去是……","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:37:17.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:37:19.888000+08:00","text":"是直接沒有身高的限制還是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T10:37:21.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:37:23.765000+08:00","text":"就是身高沒有限制了……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:37:26.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:37:35.370000+08:00","text":"部長應該知道我們在學界倡議了很久，因為現在已經是科技化的部隊，像這種比較以前的想法應該可以把它拿掉。","quality":0.809},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T10:37:35.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:37:41.233000+08:00","text":"對，最高身高的限制已經拿掉了，最低身高是降到150公分。","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T10:37:45.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:37:49.477000+08:00","text":"另外，不是因為品德因素而提前退伍的話，可以放寬再入營。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:37:51.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:38:02.162000+08:00","text":"我覺得這個部分部長可能可以考慮一下，因為現在是科技建軍，他也許是坐在終端機前面，過去的很多想法可能不大一樣，這部分提供給部長參考。","quality":0.817},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:38:03.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:38:31.060000+08:00","text":"另外，現在看起來女性的人力運用也非常重要，我也看到有關於性工要對齊的部分，你們好像也把法案送進來了，也就是志願士兵服役條例，不管第十六條之一或第十六條，我看到都已經對齊了，過去叫「育嬰留停」，現在已經改成「育兒留停」，而且已經改為6歲對不對？","quality":0.726},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:38:31.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:38:32.040000+08:00","text":"這個法案應該已經送進來了。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:38:35.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:38:46.332000+08:00","text":"依照你們的評估，如果改成6歲，以過去和現在來比較，女性官兵可以請育嬰留停的狀況是怎麼樣？","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T10:38:46.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:38:49.995000+08:00","text":"這部分我們可能要回去再統計一下。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:38:50.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:38:51.476000+08:00","text":"好，請再給我們一些資料。是。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:38:52.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:39:15.127000+08:00","text":"從這次可以看到不論是我們的倡議或是賴總統的大禮包，其實針對這件事情都有正面的回應，包括產假已經拉高到12週，因為部隊女性士官兵比較特別，當然我們還是希望他們能夠真正享受因應少子女化所給的一些不同處置。","quality":0.785},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:39:17.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:39:31.870000+08:00","text":"另外一個問題是現在不論在性工法或就業保險法，我們都有考慮到所謂的家庭照顧假，現在叫做育兒假，我不知道軍方這邊有沒有考慮到那個部分？","quality":0.82},{"speaker":"王次長智輝","start":"2026-07-08T10:39:34.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:39:37.575000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們現在家庭照顧假是7日，這個有規範。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:39:37.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:39:49.765000+08:00","text":"我知道，但這是現行的規定，現在那邊都已經拉高了，有一種說法是要跟育兒留停合併計算，不曉得軍方這邊有沒有這樣的打算？","quality":0.731},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T10:39:51.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:40:03.551000+08:00","text":"軍的部分都會跟公教對齊，所以不論是性別工作平等法或者是就業保險法，如果他們有相關的修正，我們這邊也都相對應的已經修正了。","quality":0.804},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:40:03.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:40:13.414000+08:00","text":"因為現在那邊希望爸爸媽媽都能夠請假，所以他們現在還有規劃當爸爸媽媽雙方都請假的時候，可以……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T10:40:14.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:40:15.054000+08:00","text":"軍的部分都會……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:40:15.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:40:15.194000+08:00","text":"應該都會對齊。","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T10:40:15.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:40:15.194000+08:00","text":"是，會對齊。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:40:21.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:40:34.858000+08:00","text":"依據我們得到的訊息，如果大家要請這種假的話，因為軍方這邊有一些特殊的任務，所以可能會比較困難，不曉得軍方在推動上有沒有什麼困難或者是還有什麼需要協助的部分？","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:40:35.823000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:40:42.368000+08:00","text":"以前叫育嬰留停，以前的規定是3歲，但我剛剛說現在已經改到6歲了。","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T10:40:42.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:40:48.712000+08:00","text":"我們現在都配合政府的人口性戰略。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:40:48.712000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T10:40:49.712000+08:00","text":"是，所以我覺得也很重要，因為我剛剛說……","quality":0.188},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T10:40:49.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:40:51.815000+08:00","text":"人口性戰略我們都配合，所以修法的部分也都已經送到行政院院會，我們都有提出去。","quality":0.629},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:41:03.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:41:21.969000+08:00","text":"部長應該知道我好幾次都一直在呼籲這件事情，也就是有關托育、托嬰的部分，其實2歲以下是非常需要的，不管是在審查預算或質詢的時候，我都有特別提到這個問題，當時你們的回答好像是已經在北、中、南規劃了四處對不對？","quality":0.663},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T10:41:22.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:41:25.090000+08:00","text":"是，這部分確實是在規劃當中。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:41:25.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:41:28.232000+08:00","text":"是不是可以跟大家說一下軍方現在規劃的狀況？","quality":1},{"speaker":"胡副局長瑞訓","start":"2026-07-08T10:41:29.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:41:32.148000+08:00","text":"委員好，我是政戰局副局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"胡副局長瑞訓","start":"2026-07-08T10:41:32.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:41:49.089000+08:00","text":"目前我們規劃2歲以下的托育中心總共選擇四處，地點都已經挑好了，其中高雄左營醫院正在整建當中，預計在今年年底到明年年初就可以招生了。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:41:51.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:42:20.740000+08:00","text":"今天我就做個結論，我覺得少子女化真正的大方向、整個比較上位的政策上一定要到位，選、訓、用、留的部分都要跟上，因為其他不管是公或者是私部門都有做處理，我也希望軍方能夠跟他們對齊，不過我也了解，我知道軍方很多任務是比較特殊的，所以我們也可以再來規劃看看怎麼樣因應我們做的一些倡議。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-07-08T10:42:21.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:42:21.542000+08:00","text":"以上，謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-08T10:42:22.042000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T10:42:23.756286+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-08T10:42:24.056286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T10:42:27.770571+08:00","text":"接下來請沈伯洋委員上臺質詢。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":35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