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謀高一丈你知道詐騙的這些車手他一定會改變他的策略既然你供股的有這些防範的這些遮掩物的這樣子的一些防止這些東西所以車手就會大量的轉移到民營銀行的這些體管機ATM去做提領"},{"start":594.795,"end":612.093,"text":"那如果說這樣子的情況那這些民營的他有沒有跟上他有沒有調隊民營的銀行啊他輸量會比公營的多所以會變成說所有的這些詐騙的車手都跑去民營的提款機去取款這個部分那他們"},{"start":613.214,"end":642.13,"text":"跟我們公營公股銀行的體管機這樣子有沒有同步我們要達到30%那他們到底幾%這是第二個問題那如果說我們財政部是不是可以跟金管會這些跨部會跨體系的聯防機制避免說這些防照的效果會有一個排擠作用因為都公股在做都政府機關在做所以民營也跟不上那這樣子所有的詐騙車手都跑去民營的"},{"start":643.539,"end":658.309,"text":"這樣子會變成另外一個大漏洞所以這個問題就是說部長在這邊就因為時間的關係希望部長可以來很重視這個問題跟我們金管會跟我們公股銀行將這一些聯防機制把它做好可以嗎"},{"start":659.482,"end":676.465,"text":"跟委員報告有關ATM導入臉部遮蔽的市井功能那我想金管會是鼓勵各銀行設置這樣的一個功能那在財政部來說當然我們會督導我們的公股行貨儘快去做這個普遍性要給一個標準要求我們要求他們儘快去做這樣的一個市井功能然後能夠打造普遍性"},{"start":688.668,"end":689.133,"text":"好的 謝謝部長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-07-08T10:44:40+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T10:44:44.197000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-07-08T10:44:44.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:44:49.822000+08:00","text":"主席，有請財政部莊部長，還有菸酒公司湯董事長。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-08T10:44:49.822000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T10:44:50.822000+08:00","text":"請莊部長及湯董事長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-08T10:44:50.822000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T10:44:51.822000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-07-08T10:44:51.822000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T10:44:52.822000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-07-08T10:44:49.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:45:23.020000+08:00","text":"我先請教莊部長，臺酒台北啤酒工場產能利用率高達96%，高居所有啤酒廠之冠，但是面臨做得越多、虧得越多這種現象，連續5年陷入營運虧損。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-07-08T10:45:25.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:45:36.567000+08:00","text":"請問財政部做為大股東，針對台北啤酒工場資產活化跟轉型觀光，何時才能夠實質的改善？","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-07-08T10:45:38.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:45:40.529000+08:00","text":"虧損是不是因為單價成本過高的問題？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-07-08T10:45:41.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:45:45.031000+08:00","text":"並且如何讓這座百年古蹟的廠房能夠轉虧為盈？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-07-08T10:45:45.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:45:45.851000+08:00","text":"請部長說明。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-08T10:45:46.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:46:05.657000+08:00","text":"有關台北啤酒工場，我們先講資產活化的部分，因為裡面有關製酒設備的活保存，這是古蹟，所以在這一塊園區範圍內，對於古蹟的保存維護，這是最重要的。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-08T10:46:05.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:46:08.359000+08:00","text":"另外，這一塊土地如何做最好的利用？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-08T10:46:09.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:46:18.924000+08:00","text":"其中一部分已經提供給臺北科技大學作為校地使用，其餘是由菸酒公司未來開發作為營運總部。","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-08T10:46:21.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:46:33.541000+08:00","text":"當然對於古蹟的維護保存是非常重要的，也會持續再做更好的運用，至於它生產的一些成本等等，我想是不是由菸酒公司董事長來為您做說明？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-07-08T10:46:34.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:46:35.724000+08:00","text":"好，請湯董說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"湯董事長期安","start":"2026-07-08T10:46:36.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:46:36.865000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"湯董事長期安","start":"2026-07-08T10:46:37.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:47:13.715000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，建國啤酒廠是一個超過百年的工廠，我們最大的生產價值不是生產啤酒，而是生產臺灣品牌的故事，那裡也是一個很有意義的地方，但因為現在周邊都已經是商業區，也是高級住宅區，所以我們在今年的第一季，已經把我們西側的7,000坪土地，跟另外600坪的倉庫全數都活化，也會在今年底全部開幕增加我們的收益，降低現在保留啤酒工廠的成本，以上。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-07-08T10:47:16.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:47:22.986000+08:00","text":"當然主要原因是因為銷售量下滑，投料與……","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"湯董事長期安","start":"2026-07-08T10:47:25.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:47:33.909000+08:00","text":"最主要是台北建國啤酒工場的產能是屬於比較小的，不適合在那裡做大量的生產。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-07-08T10:47:33.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:47:50.238000+08:00","text":"對，我知道，但不只台北啤酒工場，菸酒公司的9個酒廠裡面有6個酒廠都陷入虧損，像屏東、花蓮、埔里的虧損持續擴大，而嘉義、宜蘭是直接由盈轉虧。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-07-08T10:47:51.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:48:14.849000+08:00","text":"很多廠長反映因為設備老舊，所以必須要頻繁的停產、搶修，導致產能利用率低下，所以不只是虧損的廠在虧，連原本賺錢的也萎縮了，像我們烏日廠就是這樣子，烏日、善化、竹南啤酒廠這5年的固定資產報酬率幾乎都是腰斬。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-07-08T10:48:15.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:48:40.196000+08:00","text":"我想銷售量下滑導致投料跟生產量同步的減少，原因除了市場結構的改變之外，最主要就是面臨國際大廠的挑戰，他們在臺灣做了很多、投入一些大型的廣告宣傳，這些年輕的客戶群紛紛都被這些吸引了，是不是？","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-07-08T10:48:43.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:49:05.964000+08:00","text":"我知道近期菸酒公司一直在研發新口味的產品，對於其中受到很多年輕人喜歡的部分，我是給予肯定的，然後也有跟動漫做結合，這個確實能吸引一些年輕族群、有一些效果，這個我要給予肯定。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-07-08T10:49:06.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:49:20.494000+08:00","text":"董事長，但是對於未來我們的通路、創新的策略，如何打入年輕人最喜歡的場所，你們預計做什麼樣的配置跟布置？","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"湯董事長期安","start":"2026-07-08T10:49:22.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:49:54.424000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，因為我們是國營企業，接下來最重要的第一目標是降低我們的製造成本，至於產能利用率偏低是因為設備很多都是二十年以上，過去公賣的時代因為專賣，所以產能都特別大，回應一下剛剛委員的說法，其實我們9個酒廠在去年有3個酒廠，宜蘭、花蓮跟屏東產能利用率都有持續提升，烏日啤酒廠今年也會獲利。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"湯董事長期安","start":"2026-07-08T10:49:56.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T10:50:03.972000+08:00","text":"至於品牌的部分，年輕化跟創新，還有年輕人喜歡淡口味啤酒的部分，我們會持續來加強。","quality":1},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","star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