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要怎麼去協助去把這些該下架的下架對不對就以教育部來講跟委員這邊報告我們特別是在7月6號我現在要讓教育部你要很清楚的"},{"start":512.062,"end":535.177,"text":"我們現在學生已經遲到了對不對但是我一開始媒體的報導是什麼你們的說明是說還好已經還好已經什麼樣暑假了暑假沒有學校營養午餐了事實上你看4月就開始了所以這個部分是這樣的一個"},{"start":537.318,"end":562.328,"text":"食藥署的資料為何不得是要能夠完整的話相關的這些資訊各方面的這些後續的去了解或者是他要拿著這個產品他沒有沒有發票啊沒有拿這個產品就去退貨也要也要被接受類似像這樣就是資訊要要特別非常非常的明確啊好不好啊這個食藥署加油"},{"start":565.46,"end":566.288,"text":"好,謝謝鄭天才為了諮詢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-07-08T15:06:10.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T15:06:17.087000+08:00","text":"有請食藥署署長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-08T15:06:17.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-08T15:06:18.448000+08:00","text":"請姜署長。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-07-08T15:06:18.448000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-08T15:06:19.448000+08:00","text":"食藥署署長就好，部長不用。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra 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