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謝謝委員我們新聞稿已經發了那相關的這個跟平台聯繫的部分我們今天下午會立刻處理我們也呼籲所有的國人安心沒有毒蘋果這件事沒有放寬分譜尼六倍標準這件事沒有政府為了跟美國的關稅談判ART的順利結果而犧牲了國人的健康"},{"start":274.557,"end":294.634,"text":"都没有这些事大家要能够分辨这些错假的讯息大家也彼此的提醒那我请署长彭署长是洗手间不好意思有请署长自然你可能也稍后一下下署长辛苦了下一页"},{"start":295.819,"end":314.219,"text":"我非常仔細的針對這一次的校園食安我們的整個管理我去就法規面制度面再去重盤檢視了一次在法規面我們可以依據的法律有食品安全衛生管理法"},{"start":315.08,"end":336.091,"text":"在校園端我們有學校衛生法可以來落實校園食品安全的管理責任我們另外還有相關的執法學校餐廳廚房原生消費合作社衛生管理辦法進一步針對衛生管理制度來下手我們同樣可以"},{"start":336.531,"end":358.316,"text":"经由现在的学校午餐食物内容营养基准还有校园饮品点心贩售范围等等行政规范所以在法制面我可以说面对任何可能冲击学生安全的食安在法制面校园目前是非常完备的"},{"start":359.176,"end":380.923,"text":"也在這些法律的授權之下看看這個最左手邊就是這一次的教育部校園食材登錄平台它確實是發揮了作用我們可以一筆一筆快速的透過食材登錄的制度去追蹤流向所以這個系統是2020年上路到現在"},{"start":381.903,"end":405.18,"text":"我想法规的完备制度还有这个平台的运作有没有顺利尤其在应变的过程这是我最关切的而我这次发现你们另外还新设了一个line的通报小尖兵是吗是的这个作用是补什么之不足"},{"start":408.374,"end":428.35,"text":"這個我們希望我們除了剛剛講的一些機制包含email還有我們跟縣市的直接的人工通報怕漏掉之外我們另外又做了一軌所以說這一次在新的作為現有的食材登錄平台裡頭我們又快速的訂定一個方便學校發聲"},{"start":429.591,"end":455.816,"text":"任何可疑的状况可以快速主动的透过这个LINE的通报小兼兵的系统可以回溯也可以回报给各地的县市政府包括教育部这个部分我在制度面我是要给予肯定你们的反应够快但是呢这就要有教育我们有行政院的消保处的同仁在这里吗这一次来副处长"},{"start":456.896,"end":470.604,"text":"這一次的食安的事件跨部會都要動起來第一時間徹查下架所有有離綠的油品第二步嚴格的罰辦重罰不罰的廠商"},{"start":471.664,"end":497.922,"text":"而第三關也就是依據我們食安法有所授權我們可以啟動食安基金協助廣大的消費者除了退換貨之外要可以經由一個集體的訴訟來求償我不曉得現在行政院的規劃尤其在校園可能就是替各級學校一併來集體求償的一個有效的作為請問行政院目前的做法"},{"start":498.842,"end":522.438,"text":"这个跟委员报告在这个提起消费团体诉讼这个区块我们已经协调了国内两个优良的消保团体也跟他们做过相关的一些协调协商他们都愿意积极来做将来的团体诉讼的相关后续的一个处理将来是多久的将来"},{"start":523.805,"end":544.553,"text":"目前来讲的话其实还是在目前来讲因为有30件的一个申诉案件所以那部件我们还是在持续的收集这些申诉的案件那将来的话会有一些相关的一些规划比如说在104年的时候其实那是发生石米油的相关的事件所以我们会协调这个优良的消保团体那我们会定出相关的一些规范"},{"start":545.013,"end":559.828,"text":"比如说我们会写请我们的教育部我们的国教署来跟校园的这些受害的这些师生做一些这个询问说明会之类的然后收集相关的资料我知道你们动作也很快"},{"start":560.388,"end":584.456,"text":"已经有两家优良的消保团体愿意来承接那在这里就把讯息请彭处长还有我们部长这里协助未来可能学生跟教职员员工在内的校园的集体诉讼的球场可能会是一个重要必须要去进行的法律的行动我想我们横向联系请行政院来快速来协助我们好吗好下一页"},{"start":585.656,"end":602.582,"text":"剛剛武力華委員有針對食安法的修法我想我基本上是同意我歸納出未來修法我們要補強這一次三級評管確實讓大家很疑惑四月發生但是我們中央政府到6月30號才明確的接獲到通報"},{"start":607.083,"end":635.158,"text":"换言之三级的平款的制度我们确实要在法规面去强化所以我提出了这四点归纳也提供给你们未来在修法要做参照当然强化源头的控管我想卫福部已经看到问题了第二个在制程端的严格审查有效的进行试验抽验如果有重大的制程或原料的来源变更的话我想就你们会纳入嘛"},{"start":635.718,"end":665.007,"text":"第三个我也会要求提高业者自主检验的频率而且强制的通报上传当然第三方的通报义务我们引进第三方检验机构的资格认证就可以来杜绝厂商隐匿的这些疑虑我想我归纳出四大的食安修法的方向卫福部是不是都纳入参照快速的启动谢谢我们会相关一起来演绎好"},{"start":665.347,"end":677.916,"text":"谢谢那辛苦大家我想明天立法院还有一整天的专报谢谢不好意思部长你辛苦我也请政部长我后边这个问题今天呢来部长辛苦"},{"start":679.921,"end":699.611,"text":"我今天赫然發現 招委有另外一個議案今天也排了審查 對不起 巡打就是教育經費編列與管理法那也有在野黨的委員明確的入法修正要求各級政府教育經費的預算合計"},{"start":701.952,"end":712.258,"text":"不應低於該年度預算籌編時前三年決算稅入淨額平均值的24%從現有的23%的法規提升1%24%問題這1%在中央的預算支出就非常的龐大部長大概是將近400億吧是"},{"start":728.98,"end":754.435,"text":"當然我不需要再贅述對於財政紀律法第五條第七條立法委員不能片面增加政府支出更不得增訂固定的經費額度或比例的保障我都不需要再贅述只是這些立委一而再再而三的要違法來修法下一頁部長這是我們的警訊喔這個表呢"},{"start":757.837,"end":782.074,"text":"上一週的質詢我只做到ABCD啦現在又加了一個1了 朝偉在拍照很好請記錄喔我們的大學法 高級中等教育法專科學校法 也就是學代三法強制透過立委的修法片面增加而且中央全負擔一年增加國庫100到400億"},{"start":784.761,"end":793.06,"text":"B就是營養午餐專法下午可能會逐條每年強制要求中央買單又要增加國庫138億"},{"start":795.504,"end":819.523,"text":"C幼兒教育及照顧法又要求中央地方負擔的額度呢又強制的來入法中央又大施寫每年要增加400到600億D呢國教向下延伸而且是中央買單一次性的硬體增加至少80億而每年常態會增加國庫100億"},{"start":821.585,"end":843.256,"text":"到1ABCDE今天最新的教育經費編列與管理法又因為這個1%的修改每年國庫又要增加400億所以ABCDE加起來教育部每年要增加1138億到1638億plus固定的硬體"},{"start":851.02,"end":871.227,"text":"80億一次每年國家又要有1138到1638億教育部有錢嗎部長我們才化法我們一年教育部少了多少錢教育部少了900多億"},{"start":874.093,"end":882.8,"text":"我們有不挺教育嗎 夏業當我們的國家財政有餘裕我們來看看我從2017年"},{"start":885.529,"end":909.854,"text":"我们所编列的教育预算到2026年我来看这10年间我们total的教育的投入是增加1731亿成长的比例是79.4%换言之成长了80%这是当我们国家有余裕"},{"start":910.834,"end":934.047,"text":"我們一定大力投資在教育上而這個權利是誰的就是行政權行政權可以合理的去分配我對於國家預算的投入這就是具體的數字所以從2017到2025我們每一年都提升8年間增加1731億"},{"start":937.182,"end":945.708,"text":"比起剛剛委員他修改1%每年強制的400我們其實能做的我們絕對大幅的超車啊"},{"start":947.045,"end":972.692,"text":"而这当中唯一的一年我们的教育经费不减反增是哪一年呢部长就是我们受到才化法冲击中央4165亿被搬走的那一年所以我们从2025国家的教育投资来到3910亿的史上新高被迫因为才化法钱搬到地方去了我们往下修变成3410亿"},{"start":975.478,"end":997.498,"text":"即便如此我們還是大幅成長了56.4%的教育投資所以我要說的是我們重視教育我們加碼教育國家的裁員合理分配教育部絕對拼了命的去爭取預算這每一筆不就是你們爭取來的嗎我們要大聲的告訴社會啊"},{"start":1003.203,"end":1028.969,"text":"我們要告訴所有負責任的這些立法委員修法不是那麼簡單你寫了一個數字多一趴少一趴可是對於整個預算權限就是行政權我們難道有虧待預算嗎我們有虧待教育嗎部長我時間到了我就停留在這一個頁面"},{"start":1030.749,"end":1052.672,"text":"你們好好去論述吧我們這10年間努力的成長了80%的教育預算這是我們的用心陳主委員所提如果把這個財化法以後這個教育部跟行政院的一般補助用在補助地方的這一個整個我們今年事實上的預算事實上是4300億"},{"start":1054.033,"end":1077.159,"text":"又史上新高了嘛如果沒有硬因為等於切出去了將近900億這個地方所以我們才會看到這個只有3400好我回到財化法最後一頁要修這個法下一頁可以我們請在野黨委員不要持續冷凍丟包了行政院版的財化法"},{"start":1078.18,"end":1102.316,"text":"行政院版的才化法216天216天216天被冷冻了我们替国家人民孩童争取教育预算但是中央地方一起来全责相扶一起来协助教育做得更好而根本就是回到才化法"},{"start":1103.297,"end":1126.6,"text":"今天委員們片面提出這個教育經費編列的這個管理法片面的在修法卻無視於財政的根本大法才化法還躺在那裡如果如委員今天所提的這個法案連水費電費這些依據地方制度法都應當地方分擔的還有營養午餐強制要中央買單"},{"start":1128.308,"end":1147.934,"text":"我覺得這才是真正的教育的災難這真的才是教育的災難我剛剛整理了部長就這個會期教育委員會提出來的錢坑肉桶違反行政分立的法案一年教育部製多又要再支出1638億"},{"start":1151.328,"end":1161.527,"text":"我们真的很难维持教育的品质我们要大方大声的来说出事实的真相好吗我们辛苦了一起加油谢谢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:20:49.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:20:53.499000+08:00","text":"我先請衛福部林次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-13T13:20:53.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:20:53.619000+08:00","text":"有請次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T13:20:53.619000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T13:21:04.354000+08:00","text":"委員午安。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:21:04.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:21:05.034000+08:00","text":"次長辛苦了！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:21:05.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:21:51.446000+08:00","text":"從上午到下午，明天立法院還有一整天的會議，卓院長會負責任的到立法院的大會接受各黨派關於食安專報的質詢，我想我們都理性的監督，但是我感到非常遺憾，當致癌油、問題油的事情還在釐清、還在應變，今天赫然又出現了鋪天蓋地的錯假訊息說毒蘋果來了，我覺得這些錯假訊息的傳送者非常的其心可議，不斷的興風作浪，在整個社會對於食安議題高度關切的當下，居然又惡意的在社群上散播。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:21:52.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:22:11.353000+08:00","text":"我想請您說明社群上散播的所謂食藥署將蘋果農藥芬普尼殘留標準放寬了六倍，也就是政府要讓人民從美國進口吃到毒蘋果是事實嗎？不是。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:22:12.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:22:16.531000+08:00","text":"所以「芬普尼」跟「芬普寧」有什麼不同？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:22:17.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:22:18.273000+08:00","text":"請你簡要跟大家科普一下。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T13:22:18.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:22:22.596000+08:00","text":"這兩個用在不一樣的地方，我是不是請副署長針對這件事情加以說明？","quality":0.655},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:22:22.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:22:26.559000+08:00","text":"好，快速的跟大家講，我看到社群上已經傳成一片。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"蔡副署長淑貞","start":"2026-07-13T13:22:27.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:22:33.505000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們這次定的是「芬普寧」，這個是在國內本來就……","quality":0.652},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:22:33.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:22:34.546000+08:00","text":"而不是芬普尼。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"蔡副署長淑貞","start":"2026-07-13T13:22:35.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:22:48.157000+08:00","text":"對，芬普尼這種藥在國內的水懸劑是禁止使用的，它只有准許使用粒劑，所以它有一部分是被禁掉的。","quality":0.732},{"speaker":"蔡副署長淑貞","start":"2026-07-13T13:22:48.157000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T13:22:51.119000+08:00","text":"這兩種藥是不一樣的，適用的對象也不一樣。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:22:51.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:22:53.701000+08:00","text":"完全不一樣的東西。對。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:22:53.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:23:11.512000+08:00","text":"是完全不一樣的東西，而且政府是基於科學把關，而不是因為美國與臺灣的關稅協定而被迫放寬，也就是疑美論現在又被操作了。","quality":0.698},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:23:12.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:23:17.655000+08:00","text":"所以品項不同，「芬普寧」和「芬普尼」兩者大不同。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T13:23:17.655000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T13:23:18.655000+08:00","text":"是，不一樣的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:23:18.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:23:25.759000+08:00","text":"而且也沒有放寬標準六倍，我們一切都是基於科學的把關、依據科學的標準。","quality":0.548},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T13:23:27.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:23:53.407000+08:00","text":"對，跟委員補充，因為臺灣有各式各樣的蔬果、食品在跟全世界做貿易，有的是我們要出口，有的是別人要進口，進口及出口依據不同的國家、不同的食用模式、相關風險，以及不同國家在種植物時所用到的藥品不同等等，所以我們針對農藥殘留標準的檢驗都是定期在檢驗的，而不是針對某些國家。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:23:56.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:24:13.068000+08:00","text":"那我想請問目前社群上這些惡意的傳播，你們依一級法規食安法可以蒐證、可以要求查處、可以嚴格法辦，而且可以要求平臺下架，目前進行得如何？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T13:24:13.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:24:28.798000+08:00","text":"目前食藥署針對這些錯誤的資訊或者是蓄意散播謠言的部分，我們會發文給相關平臺業者，如果大家明確發現有蓄意要造謠的話，也可以讓我們知道，我們可以進行相關查處。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:24:29.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:24:48.494000+08:00","text":"Meta到目前為止似乎還沒有被強制下架相關的文章，但我們依法有授權，你們應該要求平臺業者要負起他的社會責任，不要讓這些錯假訊息不斷藉由平臺這種無遠弗屆的傳播力散播出來。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:24:49.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:24:59.722000+08:00","text":"我今天早上等了一個上午一直在刷文，已經轉傳到非常離譜的狀況，所以我被迫在今天的質詢請你們再一次的以正視聽好嗎？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T13:24:59.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:25:06.247000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員，我們的新聞稿已經發了，跟平臺聯繫的相關部分我們今天下午會立刻處理。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:25:06.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:25:23.758000+08:00","text":"我們也呼籲所有的國人安心，沒有毒蘋果這件事，沒有放寬芬普尼六倍標準這件事，也沒有政府為了跟美國的關稅談判、ART的順利結果而犧牲了國人的健康，都沒有這些事！","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:25:24.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:25:29.123000+08:00","text":"大家要能夠分辨這些錯假的訊息，也請大家要彼此提醒。","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:25:31.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:25:38.311000+08:00","text":"接下來請彭署長，次長也請稍候一下。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-13T13:25:38.311000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T13:25:40.973000+08:00","text":"有請署長。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:25:40.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:25:41.353000+08:00","text":"署長辛苦了！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-07-13T13:25:41.353000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T13:25:46.842000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:25:46.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:26:32.593000+08:00","text":"針對這一次校園食安的整個管理，我就法規面、制度面非常仔細的重新盤點檢視一次，在法規面我們可以依據的法律有「食品安全衛生管理法」，在校園端我們有「學校衛生法」可以落實校園食品安全的管理責任，我們另外還有相關的子法「學校餐廳廚房員生消費合作社衛生管理辦法」，進一步針對衛生管理制度下手，我們同樣可以經由現在的「學校午餐食物內容營養基準」以及「校園飲品及點心販售範圍」等等行政規範來處理。","quality":0.827},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:26:33.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:27:30.398000+08:00","text":"所以我可以說面對任何可能衝擊學生安全的食安，在法制面校園目前是非常完備的，也在這些法律的授權之下，我們可以看看最左手邊就是這一次的教育部校園食材登錄平臺，它確實發揮了作用，我們可以快速透過食材登錄制度一筆一筆追蹤流向，這個系統是2020年上路到現在，包括法規的完備、制度以及這個平臺的運作有沒有順利，尤其是應變的過程，這是我最關切的，而我這一次發現你們另外還新設了一個LINE的通報小尖兵是嗎？是的。","quality":0.749},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:27:31.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:27:33.160000+08:00","text":"這個作用是補什麼之不足？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-07-13T13:27:38.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:27:46.482000+08:00","text":"除了剛剛講的一些機制，包含email以及我們跟縣市直接的人工通報怕漏掉之外，我們也希望……","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:27:46.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:27:49.024000+08:00","text":"你們另外又做了一軌嘛！是。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:27:49.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:28:14.074000+08:00","text":"所以這一次有新的作為，在現有的食材登錄平臺裡頭，你們又快速訂定一個方便學校發生任何可疑狀況時，可以快速、主動透過LINE通報小尖兵系統來回溯，也可以回報給各地的縣市政府，包括教育部，這個部分在制度面我是要給予肯定，你們的反應夠快。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:28:19.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:28:32.660000+08:00","text":"目前行政院消保處的同仁也在現場，我想請教副處長，針對這一次的食安事件，跨部會都要動起來，第一時間徹查、下架所有有疑慮的油品。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:28:33.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:28:38.583000+08:00","text":"第二步要嚴格法辦、重罰不法廠商。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:28:39.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:28:55.094000+08:00","text":"第三關則是依據食安法有所授權，你們可以啟動食安基金協助廣大的消費者，除了退換貨之外，還要可以經由集體訴訟來求償。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:28:55.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:29:05.902000+08:00","text":"按照現在行政院的規劃，尤其在校園，可能就是替各級學校一併集體求償的有效作為，請問行政院目前的做法是什麼？","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"陳副處長星宏","start":"2026-07-13T13:29:07.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:29:27.696000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，在提起消費團體訴訟這個區塊，我們已經協調了國內兩個優良的消保團體，也跟他們做過相關的協調及協商，他們都願意積極來做將來團體訴訟相關後續的處理。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:29:29.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:29:30.037000+08:00","text":"將來是多久的將來？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳副處長星宏","start":"2026-07-13T13:29:31.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:30:06.466000+08:00","text":"以目前來講，因為有30件的申訴案件，所以目前我們還是在持續蒐集這些申訴的案件，將來會有一些相關的規劃，譬如在104年的時候也發生過食品油的相關事件，所以我們會協調優良的消保團體並訂定相關規範，譬如我們會協請教育部國教署來跟校園受害的這些師生做一些詢問、舉辦說明會之類的，然後蒐集相關的資料。","quality":0.519},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:30:06.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:30:31.255000+08:00","text":"我知道你們動作也很快，已經有兩家優良的消保團體願意承接，請彭署長及部長協助提供相關訊息，未來包括學生、教職員、員工在內的校園集體訴訟，可能會是一個重要、必須要去進行的法律行動，我想我們橫向聯繫，請行政院快速來協助我們，好嗎？是。","quality":0.441},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:30:32.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:31:22.938000+08:00","text":"請看下一頁，剛剛伍麗華委員有提到食安法的修法，我想我基本上是同意，我歸納出未來修法我們要補強的四點，因為這一次三級品管確實讓大家很疑惑，在4月發生，但是中央政府到6月30號才明確的接獲到通報，換言之，對三級品管的制度我們確實要在法規面去強化，所以我歸納出這四點，也提供給你們未來在修法時參照，當然，關於第一個強化源頭的控管，我想衛福部已經看到問題了；第二個是在製程端的嚴格審查，如果有重大的製程或原料來源變更的話，必須有效地進行試驗、抽驗，我想這個你們也會納入。是。","quality":0.656},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:31:23.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:31:42.464000+08:00","text":"第三個，我也要求提高業者自主檢驗的頻率，而且強制通報上傳；當然第四個是第三方的通報義務，我們引進第三方檢驗機構的資格認證，就可以來杜絕廠商隱匿的這些疑慮。","quality":0.563},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:31:43.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:31:49.886000+08:00","text":"我歸納出食安修法的四大方向，衛福部是不是都納入參照、快速的啟動？","quality":0.69},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T13:31:49.886000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T13:31:52.987000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，我們會就相關部分一起來研議。","quality":0.235},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:31:52.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:31:54.408000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，辛苦大家了！","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:31:54.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:31:56.729000+08:00","text":"我想明天立法院還有一整天的專報，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:31:58.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:32:01.273000+08:00","text":"不好意思，部長辛苦了，我要請鄭部長，我還要問一個問題。","quality":0.435},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T13:32:01.273000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T13:32:05.415000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:32:05.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:32:40.238000+08:00","text":"部長，我今天赫然發現召委今天也排了另外一個議案的詢答，就是「教育經費編列與管理法」，也有在野黨的委員提出明確的入法修正，要求各級政府教育經費的預算合計不應低於該年度預算籌編時前三年決算歲入淨額平均值的百分之二十四，從現有法規的百分之二十三，提升百分之一，變成百分之二十四，問題是這百分之一在中央的預算支出就非常的龐大，部長，大概是將近400億吧？是。","quality":0.728},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:32:56.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:33:18.812000+08:00","text":"當然，我不需要再贅述，根據財政紀律法第五條、第七條規定，立法委員不能片面增加政府支出，更不得增訂固定的經費額度或比率的保障，我都不需要再贅述，只是這些立委一而再、再而三的要違法來修法。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:33:19.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:33:33.582000+08:00","text":"請看下一頁這個表，部長，這是我們的警訊，在上一週質詢時我只做了A、B、C、D，現在又加了E，召委在拍照，很好，請記錄下來。","quality":0.74},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:33:35.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:34:42.892000+08:00","text":"A是我們的大學法、高級中等教育法、專科學校法也就是學貸三法，透過立委的修法強制片面增加，而且中央全負擔，一年增加國庫100到400億；B就是營養午餐專法，今天下午可能會進行逐條討論，每年強制要求中央買單，又要增加國庫138億的支出；C是幼兒教育及照顧法，又要求中央、地方負擔的額度，又強制的來入法，中央又大失血，每年要增加400到600億支出；D是國教向下延伸，而且是中央買單，一次性的硬體增加至少80億，而每年常態會增加國庫100億的支出；E是今天最新的「教育經費編列與管理法」，又因為這個增加百分之一的修改，每年國庫又要增加400億的支出。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:34:42.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:35:11.984000+08:00","text":"所以A、B、C、D、E加起來，教育部每年要增加1,138億到1,638億的支出，plus固定的硬體80億一次，每年國家又增加支出1,138億到1,638億，教育部有錢嗎？","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:35:11.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:35:18.166000+08:00","text":"部長，受到財劃法的影響，教育部一年少了多少錢？","quality":0.55},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:35:18.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:35:24.175000+08:00","text":"教育部少了九百多億，我們有不挺教育嗎？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:35:25.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:36:03.397000+08:00","text":"當我們的國家財政有餘裕，我們來看看從2017年到2026年我們所編列的教育預算，在這10年間，我們對教育total的投入增加了1,731億，成長了79.4%，換言之，成長了近80%，就是當我們國家有餘裕，我們一定大力投資在教育上，而這個權力是誰的？","quality":0.726},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:36:03.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:36:33.688000+08:00","text":"就是行政權，行政權可以合理的去分配國家預算的投入，這就是具體的數字，所以從2017年到2025年我們每一年都提升，在8年間增加1,731億，比起剛剛有委員版本修改提高了百分之一，結果每年強制多400億，其實只要我們能做，我們絕對是大幅的超車啊！","quality":0.763},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:36:35.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:36:40.046000+08:00","text":"在這8年當中唯一一年我們的教育經費不減反增，部長，是在哪一年呢？","quality":0.607},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:36:41.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:37:08.463000+08:00","text":"就是我們受到財劃法的衝擊所以中央4,165億被搬走的那一年，我們從2025年國家的教育投資來到3,910億的史上新高，因為財劃法所以被迫把錢搬到地方去了，我們往下修變成3,410億，即便如此，我們的教育投資還是大幅成長了56.4%。","quality":0.604},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:37:10.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:37:24.657000+08:00","text":"所以我要說的是，我們重視教育，我們加碼教育，國家的財源要合理分配，教育部絕對拚了命的去爭取預算，這每一筆不就是你們爭取來的嗎？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-07-13T13:37:24.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T13:37:25.478000+08:00","text":"我們要大聲的告訴社會啊！","quality":1},{"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，你們又快速訂定一個方便學校發生任何可疑狀況時，可以快速、主動透過LINE通報小尖兵系統來回溯，也可以回報給各地的縣市政府，包括教育部，這個部分在制度面我是要給予肯定，你們的反應夠快。","目前行政院消保處的同仁也在現場，我想請教副處長，針對這一次的食安事件，跨部會都要動起來，第一時間徹查、下架所有有疑慮的油品。第二步要嚴格法辦、重罰不法廠商。第三關則是依據食安法有所授權，你們可以啟動食安基金協助廣大的消費者，除了退換貨之外，還要可以經由集體訴訟來求償。按照現在行政院的規劃，尤其在校園，可能就是替各級學校一併集體求償的有效作為，請問行政院目前的做法是什麼？"],["陳副處長星宏：跟委員報告，在提起消費團體訴訟這個區塊，我們已經協調了國內兩個優良的消保團體，也跟他們做過相關的協調及協商，他們都願意積極來做將來團體訴訟相關後續的處理。"],["吳委員思瑤：將來是多久的將來？"],["陳副處長星宏：以目前來講，因為有30件的申訴案件，所以目前我們還是在持續蒐集這些申訴的案件，將來會有一些相關的規劃，譬如在104年的時候也發生過食品油的相關事件，所以我們會協調優良的消保團體並訂定相關規範，譬如我們會協請教育部國教署來跟校園受害的這些師生做一些詢問、舉辦說明會之類的，然後蒐集相關的資料。"],["吳委員思瑤：我知道你們動作也很快，已經有兩家優良的消保團體願意承接，請彭署長及部長協助提供相關訊息，未來包括學生、教職員、員工在內的校園集體訴訟，可能會是一個重要、必須要去進行的法律行動，我想我們橫向聯繫，請行政院快速來協助我們，好嗎？"],["陳副處長星宏：是。"],["吳委員思瑤：請看下一頁，剛剛伍麗華委員有提到食安法的修法，我想我基本上是同意，我歸納出未來修法我們要補強的四點，因為這一次三級品管確實讓大家很疑惑，在4月發生，但是中央政府到6月30號才明確的接獲到通報，換言之，對三級品管的制度我們確實要在法規面去強化，所以我歸納出這四點，也提供給你們未來在修法時參照，當然，關於第一個強化源頭的控管，我想衛福部已經看到問題了；第二個是在製程端的嚴格審查，如果有重大的製程或原料來源變更的話，必須有效地進行試驗、抽驗，我想這個你們也會納入。"],["林次長靜儀：是。"],["吳委員思瑤：第三個，我也要求提高業者自主檢驗的頻率，而且強制通報上傳；當然第四個是第三方的通報義務，我們引進第三方檢驗機構的資格認證，就可以來杜絕廠商隱匿的這些疑慮。我歸納出食安修法的四大方向，衛福部是不是都納入參照、快速的啟動？"],["林次長靜儀：謝謝委員，我們會就相關部分一起來研議。"],["吳委員思瑤：好，謝謝，辛苦大家了！我想明天立法院還有一整天的專報，謝謝。"],["林次長靜儀：謝謝。"],["吳委員思瑤：不好意思，部長辛苦了，我要請鄭部長，我還要問一個問題。"],["鄭部長英耀：委員好。"],["吳委員思瑤：部長，我今天赫然發現召委今天也排了另外一個議案的詢答，就是「教育經費編列與管理法」，也有在野黨的委員提出明確的入法修正，要求各級政府教育經費的預算合計不應低於該年度預算籌編時前三年決算歲入淨額平均值的百分之二十四，從現有法規的百分之二十三，提升百分之一，變成百分之二十四，問題是這百分之一在中央的預算支出就非常的龐大，部長，大概是將近400億吧？"],["鄭部長英耀：是。"],["吳委員思瑤：當然，我不需要再贅述，根據財政紀律法第五條、第七條規定，立法委員不能片面增加政府支出，更不得增訂固定的經費額度或比率的保障，我都不需要再贅述，只是這些立委一而再、再而三的要違法來修法。","請看下一頁這個表，部長，這是我們的警訊，在上一週質詢時我只做了A、B、C、D，現在又加了E，召委在拍照，很好，請記錄下來。A是我們的大學法、高級中等教育法、專科學校法也就是學貸三法，透過立委的修法強制片面增加，而且中央全負擔，一年增加國庫100到400億；B就是營養午餐專法，今天下午可能會進行逐條討論，每年強制要求中央買單，又要增加國庫138億的支出；C是幼兒教育及照顧法，又要求中央、地方負擔的額度，又強制的來入法，中央又大失血，每年要增加400到600億支出；D是國教向下延伸，而且是中央買單，一次性的硬體增加至少80億，而每年常態會增加國庫100億的支出；E是今天最新的「教育經費編列與管理法」，又因為這個增加百分之一的修改，每年國庫又要增加400億的支出。所以A、B、C、D、E加起來，教育部每年要增加1,138億到1,638億的支出，plus固定的硬體80億一次，每年國家又增加支出1,138億到1,638億，教育部有錢嗎？部長，受到財劃法的影響，教育部一年少了多少錢？教育部少了九百多億，我們有不挺教育嗎？","當我們的國家財政有餘裕，我們來看看從2017年到2026年我們所編列的教育預算，在這10年間，我們對教育total的投入增加了1,731億，成長了79.4%，換言之，成長了近80%，就是當我們國家有餘裕，我們一定大力投資在教育上，而這個權力是誰的？就是行政權，行政權可以合理的去分配國家預算的投入，這就是具體的數字，所以從2017年到2025年我們每一年都提升，在8年間增加1,731億，比起剛剛有委員版本修改提高了百分之一，結果每年強制多400億，其實只要我們能做，我們絕對是大幅的超車啊！在這8年當中唯一一年我們的教育經費不減反增，部長，是在哪一年呢？就是我們受到財劃法的衝擊所以中央4,165億被搬走的那一年，我們從2025年國家的教育投資來到3,910億的史上新高，因為財劃法所以被迫把錢搬到地方去了，我們往下修變成3,410億，即便如此，我們的教育投資還是大幅成長了56.4%。","所以我要說的是，我們重視教育，我們加碼教育，國家的財源要合理分配，教育部絕對拚了命的去爭取預算，這每一筆不就是你們爭取來的嗎？我們要大聲的告訴社會啊！我們要告訴所有負責任的立法委員，修法不是那麼簡單，你寫了一個數字，多百分之一、少百分之一，可是會影響整個預算權限，就是行政權。我們難道有虧待預算嗎？我們有虧待教育嗎？部長，我的時間到了，我就停留在這一個頁面，你們好好去論述吧！我們這10年間努力的讓教育預算成長了80%，這是我們的用心。"],["鄭部長英耀：誠如委員所提，如果不是因為財劃法修正以後把教育部跟行政院的一般補助用在補助地方，我們今年的預算事實上是4,300億。"],["吳委員思瑤：又創史上新高了嘛！"],["鄭部長英耀：是，因為等於切出去了將近900億給地方，所以我們才會看到只有三千四百多億。"],["吳委員思瑤：好，我回到最後一頁的財劃法，要修這個法可以，我們請在野黨委員不要持續冷凍丟包行政院版的財劃法，行政院版的財劃法被冷凍了216天、216天、216天！我們替國家、人民、孩童爭取教育預算，但是中央、地方要權責相符，一起來協助教育做得更好，而根本就是回到財劃法。今天委員們片面提出要修正「教育經費編列管理法」，片面的在修法，卻無視於財政的根本大法──財劃法還躺在那裡，如果如委員今天所提的這個法案，連水費、電費還有營養午餐這些依據地方制度法都應當地方分擔的，卻強制要中央買單，我覺得這才是教育真正的災難，這真的才是教育的災難。部長，我剛剛整理了這個會期在教育及文化委員會提出來的「錢坑」、「肉桶」且違反行政分立的法案，一年教育部至多又要再支出1,638億，我們真的很難維持教育的品質，我們要大方且大聲的來說出事實的真相，好嗎？我們辛苦了！一起加油，謝謝。"],["主席：好，請坐。","下一位請許忠信委員，辛苦了。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":470,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-22-19","speakers":["羅廷瑋","羅智強","柯志恩","陳培瑜","葉元之","陳秀寳","郭昱晴","蔡春綢","林宜瑾","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","吳思瑤","許忠信","吳沛憶","洪孟楷","張雅琳","傅崐萁","吳宗憲","徐欣瑩","林倩綺","葛如鈞"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2026-07-13"],"gazette_id":"1156102","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1156102_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第19次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部政務次長林靜儀、行政院食品安全辦公室主任許輔列席\n就「校園食品安全把關機制及致癌油事件因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢；二、邀請教育部\n部長鄭英耀列席就「學生出缺勤管理及校園秩序維護政策亂象檢討與改善措施」進行專題報告，\n並備質詢；三、審查教育部函為修正「高級中等以下學校教師解聘不續聘停聘或資遣辦法」部分\n條文及「公立高級中等以下學校教師成績考核辦法」第五條、第六條之一條文案；四、審查(一)\n國民黨黨團擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第三條條文修正草案」案、(二)委員林德福等25人擬具\n「教育經費編列與管理法增訂第三條之二條文草案」案、(三)委員邱鎮軍等28人擬具「教育經費\n編列與管理法第三條條文修正草案」案、(四)委員徐欣瑩等29人擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第\n三條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員葉元之等21人擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第三條條文修正草\n案」案、(六)委員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第三條條文修正草案」案、(七)委\n員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第三條條文修正草案」案、(八)委員王鴻薇等18人\n擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第三條條文修正草案」案、(九)委員陳超明等17人擬具「教育經費\n編列與管理法第三條條文修正草案」案、(十)委員洪孟楷等16人擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第\n三條條文修正草案」案、(十一)委員萬美玲等17人擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第三條條文修正\n草案」案、( 十二) 委員翁曉玲等18 人擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第三條條文修正草案」案、\n(十三)委員馬文君等20人擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第三條條文修正草案」案、(十四)委員柯\n志恩等21人擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第三條、第十條及第十三條條文修正草案」案；五、審\n查委員葉元之等19人擬具「國民轉介教育條例草案」案；六、繼續審查(一)委員范雲等16人擬具\n「學校供餐法草案」案、(二)委員馬文君等17人擬具「學校供餐法草案」案、(三)委員魯明哲等\n24人擬具「學校供餐法草案」案、(四)委員王育敏等17人擬具「學校供餐法草案」案、(五)委員\n洪孟楷等20人擬具「學校供餐法草案」案、(六)委員黃健豪等20人擬具「學校供餐法草案」案、\n(七)委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「學校供餐條例草案」案、(八)委員林倩綺等21人擬具「學校午餐及\n營養促進條例草案」案、(九)委員鍾佳濱等17人擬具「學校午餐法草案」案、(十)委員郭昱晴等\n16人擬具「學校午餐及飲食教育法草案」案、(十一)委員張雅琳等17人擬具「學校午餐及飲食教\n育法草案」案、(十二)委員柯志恩等21人擬具「學校午餐及飲食教育條例草案」案、(十三)委員\n陳培瑜等26人擬具「學校午餐及飲食教育條例草案」案、(十四)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「高級中等\n以下學校及幼兒園午餐供餐法草案」案、(十五)委員王鴻薇等20人擬具「學校飲食健康促進法草\n案」案、(十六)委員葉元之等20人擬具「學校飲食健康促進法草案」案、(十七)委員陳秀寳等20\n人擬具「學校飲食法草案」案、(十八)委員林宜瑾等33人擬具「學校飲食法草案」案、(十九)委\n員劉建國等17人擬具「學校飲食教育法草案」案、(二十)委員徐巧芯等19人擬具「學校營養飲食\n供餐法草案」案、( 二十一) 委員邱鎮軍等25 人擬具「高級中等以下學校供餐及飲食教育條例草\n案」案、( 二十二) 委員羅廷瑋等20 人擬具「高級中等以下學校午餐及飲食教育條例草案」案、\n( 二十三) 委員萬美玲等19人擬具「學校營養午餐法草案」案、( 二十四) 委員葛如鈞等17 人擬具\n「學校供餐法草案」案、 ( 二十五) 委員吳沛憶等20人擬具「學校午餐及飲食教育促進法草案」\n案、( 二十六) 委員陳亭妃等16 人擬具「學校飲食法草案」案、( 二十七) 委員王美惠等19 人擬具\n「學校飲食法草案」案、(二十八)委員陳菁徽等22人擬具「學校營養午餐法草案」案、(二十九)\n委員許宇甄等23人擬具「學校營養午餐法草案」案、(三十)委員張嘉郡等19人擬具「學校營養午\n餐法草案」案、(三十一)委員李彥秀等16人擬具「學校營養午餐及飲食教育條例草案」案、 (三\n十二)委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw 等17人擬具「高級中等以下學校午餐及飲食教育條例草案」案、(三\n十三)委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等18人擬具「學校供餐及飲食教育條例草案」案、(三十\n四 ) 委員林月琴等 29 人擬具「學校供餐及飲食教育法草案」案、 ( 三十五 ) 委員游顥等 17 人擬具\n「學校營養午餐及食品安全衛生管理法草案」案、(三十六)委員顏寬恒等18人擬具「校園飲食均\n衡及健康促進法草案」案、( 三十七) 委員吳思瑤等17 人擬具「學校午餐及飲食教育條例草案」\n案、(三十八)委員張智倫等17人擬具「高級中等以下學校午餐及飲食教育條例草案」案、(三十\n九)委員蔡易餘等16人擬具「學校飲食法草案」案；七、審查委員羅智強等 20人擬具「學校營養\n飲食供餐法草案」案（第四、五案詢答）","agenda_id":"1156102_00001"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}