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謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:01:00.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:01:03.070000+08:00","text":"（14時）沒問題，不用。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-13T14:01:04.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:01:05.851000+08:00","text":"好，OK。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:01:11.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:01:15.615000+08:00","text":"請教育部鄭部長跟衛福部次長。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-13T14:01:17.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:01:20.998000+08:00","text":"請林靜儀政務次長以及教育部鄭部長。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:01:23.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:01:34.314000+08:00","text":"我先請教一下衛福部次長，我們現在看到這兩天又爆發的，到底中聯4月到6月生產多少噸的食用油，你們有沒有掌握？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:01:34.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:01:48.486000+08:00","text":"有，中聯我們總共29個批次，它每一個槽是1,300噸，目前全部是預防性下架，如果全部算起來的話是2萬7,532.7公噸。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:02:00.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:02:02.885000+08:00","text":"兩萬多公噸？對！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:02:02.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:02:03.105000+08:00","text":"4月到6月有幾個批次？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:02:06.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:02:06.607000+08:00","text":"29個批次。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:02:07.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:02:18.093000+08:00","text":"我們看到新聞有報導，昨天石崇良部長還說現在是預防性下架13個批次，所以到底現在是預防下架13個批次，還是29個批次？","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:02:21.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:02:28.899000+08:00","text":"目前這29批次全部都是預防性下架，其中到現在查到有問題的是5個批次。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:02:30.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:02:30.340000+08:00","text":"5個批次？對！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:02:30.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:02:37.665000+08:00","text":"所以其實從一開始的1個批次、2個批次，到現在5個批次，未來會不會再增加？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:02:37.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:02:49.354000+08:00","text":"不知道，但是現在所影響的致癌食用油，已經高達了不是1,300噸，以最壞的打算來看，現在有可能是兩萬多噸。","quality":0.791},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:02:49.354000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:02:50.354000+08:00","text":"不是，那是預防性下架，但是我們後面……","quality":0.067},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:02:49.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:02:51.256000+08:00","text":"現在幾個批次是有問題的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:02:51.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:02:51.536000+08:00","text":"目前5個批次。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:02:52.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:02:52.737000+08:00","text":"5個批次，總量是多少？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:02:52.737000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:02:58.781000+08:00","text":"一桶是1,300公噸，所以現在這5個批次是5,756.7公噸。","quality":0.105},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:02:58.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:03:01.923000+08:00","text":"至少現在衛福部食藥署確認的五千多公噸是有問題的，是不是？對！","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:03:01.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:03:03.724000+08:00","text":"這五千多公噸是必須下架。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:03:03.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:03:19.541000+08:00","text":"好，我請教次長，到目前為止，源頭知道了嗎？中聯。對！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:03:19.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:03:21.242000+08:00","text":"中聯為什麼會產生致癌油？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:03:22.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:03:24.163000+08:00","text":"製程的問題。製程？對！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:03:24.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:03:25.124000+08:00","text":"它在製程過程……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:03:25.124000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:03:26.585000+08:00","text":"有確認了嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:03:26.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:03:30.646000+08:00","text":"當然這個部分後續還會再跟專家討論，不過6月30號收到……","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:03:30.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:03:38.890000+08:00","text":"跟目前為止，我們看到媒體也好或你們食藥署相關的報告裡面都沒有講到，問題到底是源頭、運輸、製程，還是哪一個環節出了問題？","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:03:40.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:03:49.656000+08:00","text":"目前在6月30號收到通知之後，我們在7月份跟專家的會議裡面，目前認為是他們在整個製程過程中的品管。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:03:52.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:03:53.419000+08:00","text":"所以是品管問題？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:03:53.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:04:01.144000+08:00","text":"是，目前認為是品管，就是不符合HACCP，這個過程裡面有好幾個在品管上必須要設立的節點，中聯並沒有達到一定的標準。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:04:01.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:04:01.764000+08:00","text":"好，所以次長這樣很明顯，這件事情是澈底的人禍，對不對？","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:04:09.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:04:18.381000+08:00","text":"因為品管如果出了問題，還有如果他知道檢驗結果又造假相關的數據，這澈底是人禍啊！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:04:18.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:04:20.623000+08:00","text":"是，對造假這個部分，目前是讓檢調來做調查。是！","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:04:22.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:04:25.188000+08:00","text":"現在要釐清的是到底對我們的影響有多廣嘛！","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:04:26.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:04:27.290000+08:00","text":"那4月以前呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:04:28.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:04:28.839000+08:00","text":"有沒有相關的問題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:04:28.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:04:35.106000+08:00","text":"因為如果你現在講製程有問題，我想請教一下，中聯從過去到現在製程了多少批？","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:04:36.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:04:48.160000+08:00","text":"會不會其實在前年、去年……就您剛剛講的製程，不管是地方政府或是中央部會，最後一次我們去稽查中聯是什麼時候的事？","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:04:49.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:04:58.765000+08:00","text":"委員，對這個部分，在111年到114年，食藥署是有「食用油脂製造業稽查專案」，地方縣市政府在過去……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:04:58.765000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:04:59.765000+08:00","text":"111年到114年？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:04:59.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:04:59.766000+08:00","text":"111年到114年。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:04:59.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:05:00.066000+08:00","text":"所以到2025年？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:05:00.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:05:00.466000+08:00","text":"中聯什麼時候被揭露？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:05:00.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:05:09.651000+08:00","text":"因為現在全臺灣是三大系統業者嘛，對不對？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:05:10.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:05:13.353000+08:00","text":"如果以食用油來講的話，中聯算是其中之一嘛！對。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:05:13.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:05:21.378000+08:00","text":"它生產的食用油，算是全臺灣三分之一，我們現在想要問的是只有4月、5月、6月有問題嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:05:21.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:05:21.878000+08:00","text":"之前呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:05:22.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:05:29.623000+08:00","text":"如果就次長剛剛告訴國人的是製程問題，它用這樣的製程方法多久了？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:05:30.763000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:05:38.528000+08:00","text":"委員，這樣子說，當然一開始會把它抓在4月是因為我們在6月30號收到通報，它是在4月4號的那一批。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:05:38.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:05:46.532000+08:00","text":"你會抓到是因為4月4號，那也是南僑查出來，通知福壽，福壽再往上講嘛！","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:05:47.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:05:52.175000+08:00","text":"所以我們從南僑後來這樣一路找，到6月30號跟我們通報之後，我們再往前拉。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:05:52.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:05:55.437000+08:00","text":"是，那個是因為還有吹哨者或者他們上下游……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:05:55.437000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:05:56.458000+08:00","text":"那個不叫吹哨者。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:05:56.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:05:57.959000+08:00","text":"好，上下游廠商他們自己查出來嘛！對。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:05:58.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:06:06.982000+08:00","text":"但現在本席的問題又更精進了，本席的問題是食藥署或衛福部能夠確認只有4月到5月、6月嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:06:06.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:06:07.702000+08:00","text":"那往前呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:06:08.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:06:09.903000+08:00","text":"它到底作假了多久？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:06:11.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:06:12.924000+08:00","text":"這個部分是不是作假？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:06:13.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:06:15.225000+08:00","text":"作假的程度是什麼？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:06:15.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:06:16.626000+08:00","text":"這個部分現在檢調正在處理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:06:17.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:06:29.557000+08:00","text":"我剛剛提到111年到114年食用油脂的專案，其實查核起來，在當時不論是GHP，就是我們講的那個標準，我們資料裡面是204家，地方政府報上來都是合格的。","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:06:29.557000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:06:32.079000+08:00","text":"不是啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:06:32.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:06:36.122000+08:00","text":"至少次長剛剛跟我們講的是從111年到114年……","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:06:36.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:06:36.843000+08:00","text":"我們的專案。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:06:38.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:06:43.067000+08:00","text":"從114年之後，我們是不是都可以合理懷疑其製程是有問題的？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:06:43.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:06:48.610000+08:00","text":"114年之後，在115年由地方衛生局給我們的資料裡面，目前都是合格的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:06:52.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:07:19.271000+08:00","text":"我們請教一下部長，剛剛次長也講了，這件事情不只是像一開始爆發的1,300噸，雖然我們聽起來1,300噸已經是很大了、很多了，原來現在有問題的是五千多噸，而且從4月、5月、6月其實生產了兩萬多噸，其中現在被檢驗出來有五千多噸可能有問題或者數據造假，還有多少沒有檢查出來？","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:07:19.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:07:19.552000+08:00","text":"不知道！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:07:20.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:07:30.641000+08:00","text":"我們比較focus在學童的部分，我想請教過去，就至少這三個月，五千多噸裡面有多少是流向校園？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:07:30.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:07:30.901000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有個數量統計？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:07:32.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:07:41.667000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，確實就我手邊，我是比較不清楚，但是你要告訴我有多少的油品總量……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:07:42.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:07:42.448000+08:00","text":"當然啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:07:43.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:07:45.770000+08:00","text":"部長，你不覺得這重要嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:07:45.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:07:56.897000+08:00","text":"過去這幾個月，現在衛福部告訴我們有問題的油有五千多噸，不是一開始的1,300噸，我們想要問五千多噸有多少已經被學童吃掉了？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:07:57.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:08:00.240000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，只要食藥署公布的，我們馬上立即就在任何縣市全面……","quality":0.593},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:08:00.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:08:06.422000+08:00","text":"所以你知不知道現在有五千多噸？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:08:06.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:08:08.083000+08:00","text":"現在知道了，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:08:08.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:08:08.643000+08:00","text":"現在知道了……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林次長靜儀","start":"2026-07-13T14:08:08.643000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:08:10.404000+08:00","text":"報告委員，食藥署這邊公告的會把……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:08:10.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:08:18.187000+08:00","text":"今天討論了半天，結果衛福部的資料到底有沒有跟教育部跟相關部會來去勾稽或是釐清？","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:08:18.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:08:23.449000+08:00","text":"要確保所有的品項，我們就全面下架，這是我能跟委員保證的。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:08:23.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:08:25.850000+08:00","text":"那學童到底吃了多少，不知道？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:08:27.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:08:27.691000+08:00","text":"是不是現在沒有這個統計？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:08:31.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:08:32.795000+08:00","text":"部長，怎麼了，這個問題不能問嗎？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-07-13T14:08:35.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:08:36.218000+08:00","text":"可以問。是啊！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:08:36.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:08:41.423000+08:00","text":"因為今天小孩子吃飯吃了多少，裡面到底有多少含油量？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:08:42.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:08:43.465000+08:00","text":"對不起，我不是這方面的專家……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:08:44.026000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:08:47.484000+08:00","text":"所以你應該要統計啊！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:08:48.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:08:52.247000+08:00","text":"部長，我覺得這個問題有意義呀！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:08:52.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:08:53.728000+08:00","text":"有意義在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:08:53.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:09:05.915000+08:00","text":"第一，今天是擠牙膏式的，一開始跟我們講1,300噸，後來講是3批，後來又講5批，現在剛剛講了五千多公噸，這五千多公噸，如果我們沒有辦法理解或是掌握，我們的學童到底有多少……","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:09:05.915000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:09:06.915000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我的心情跟委員的態度都是一樣，學童安全絕對是我們所在意的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:09:06.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:09:07.496000+08:00","text":"如果你在意的話，那你就不會現在還講不出這個數字。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:09:07.496000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:09:09.133000+08:00","text":"再者，部長，剛剛還有委員在這邊……","quality":0.154},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:09:09.133000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:09:10.770000+08:00","text":"委員，你昨天吃了什麼東西？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:09:10.770000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:09:12.407000+08:00","text":"到底有多少重量？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:09:12.407000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:09:14.044000+08:00","text":"有沒有吃到含油的，能不能請委員分享一下？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:09:14.044000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:09:15.681000+08:00","text":"部長，你不用在那邊問A答B啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:09:15.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:09:20.105000+08:00","text":"剛剛還有委員在這邊講後續的求償，如果你現在都還不知道到底學童吃了多少含致癌物質的油，你要怎麼協助求償？","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:09:38.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:09:39.422000+08:00","text":"你要怎麼協助求償？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:09:42.544000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:09:43.224000+08:00","text":"你要怎麼協助求償？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:09:43.224000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:09:45.266000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們會配合衛福部食藥署，還有我們……是嘛！","quality":0.095},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:09:45.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:09:46.947000+08:00","text":"一個多禮拜過去了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:09:48.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:09:55.634000+08:00","text":"一個多禮拜過去了，我們今天開這個專案會議，你難道不知道是要問這些相關問題嗎？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:09:55.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:10:02.639000+08:00","text":"一個多禮拜過去了，難道不知道應該要跟國小、國中、幼稚園釐清到底有多少的致癌油已經流入校園了嗎？","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:10:05.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:10:06.782000+08:00","text":"你現在是跟我裝無辜，在裝什麼無辜啊！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:10:06.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:10:18.149000+08:00","text":"我要跟委員報告，只要是食藥署公布的不合格品項，我們22個縣市都全部下架，這個是我在學校裡面確保不會再……","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:10:18.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:10:26.915000+08:00","text":"你講得很好聽，但我現在講的是，剛剛我問出來有五千多公噸，那我怎麼知道五千多公噸到底有沒有確實下架？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:10:27.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:10:29.597000+08:00","text":"對不起，委員問我這樣的一個……我沒有辦法回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:10:30.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:10:32.211000+08:00","text":"我有問你很刁鑽的問題嗎？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:10:32.211000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:10:33.211000+08:00","text":"因為在每一個學校裡面，這個油有問題一定要下架，但是今天這罐油用了幾c.c.去炒菜……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:10:32.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:10:39.293000+08:00","text":"這個問題難道不是我們全國國人、全國家長想要知道的嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:10:39.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:10:42.134000+08:00","text":"這就是我們教育部部長想要告訴國人的部分？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:10:44.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:10:48.856000+08:00","text":"部長，為什麼本席今天會特別再跟你講？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:10:48.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:10:50.317000+08:00","text":"因為在這中間你還去了哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:10:53.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:10:55.151000+08:00","text":"這中間你還去地方輔選耶！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:10:56.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:11:00.135000+08:00","text":"連衛福部部長都知道避嫌、知道6月30號爆發事情的時候就不要去了。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:11:00.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:11:00.455000+08:00","text":"我要跟委員報告，我嚴重的聲明，這個資訊是不對的！","quality":0.381},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:11:00.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:11:00.835000+08:00","text":"來，什麼資訊不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:11:00.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:11:00.935000+08:00","text":"我現在給你時間講。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:11:00.935000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:11:01.935000+08:00","text":"我18號確實是身體有問題……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:11:01.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:11:01.456000+08:00","text":"我現在講的是7月4號。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:11:01.456000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:11:02.456000+08:00","text":"我們主席跟羅委員還特別送我出去。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:11:01.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:11:01.936000+08:00","text":"我現在在講7月4號，本席在講7月4號！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:11:01.936000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:11:02.936000+08:00","text":"那時候19號我請假也經過委員同意……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:11:01.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:11:33.961000+08:00","text":"來，部長，本席是講7月4號在新竹的這一場活動，6月30號爆發油品事件了，本來你要跟衛福部長一起去的，衛福部長都知道要避嫌了，衛福部長不去換經濟部長，結果你還去呀！","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:11:34.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:11:35.322000+08:00","text":"我要跟委員報告……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:11:35.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:11:36.663000+08:00","text":"來，哪裡不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:11:36.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:11:45.129000+08:00","text":"任何一個人只要他想要知道我們國家教育政策怎麼推動，只要我時間允許，我都樂於去分享。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:11:45.129000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:11:46.129000+08:00","text":"好，非常好！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:11:45.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:11:47.491000+08:00","text":"部長，那一天是誰邀請您去的？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:11:48.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:11:51.510000+08:00","text":"是台灣智庫的執行長。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:11:51.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:11:52.972000+08:00","text":"台灣智庫執行長。是。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:11:53.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:11:54.894000+08:00","text":"在哪邊？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:11:55.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:11:58.178000+08:00","text":"台灣智庫執行長貴姓大名？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:12:00.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:12:02.102000+08:00","text":"莊執行長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:12:02.102000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:12:05.438000+08:00","text":"這一位啊，全名可能不好講，是不是？","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:12:05.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:12:10.342000+08:00","text":"有任何人想要了解教育政策，只要時間允許我都樂意。","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:12:10.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:12:15.066000+08:00","text":"所以當天是台灣智庫莊競程執行長邀請您去的？是。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:12:16.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:12:17.968000+08:00","text":"主動跟您電話聯絡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:12:17.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:12:19.229000+08:00","text":"跟我的秘書聯絡。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:12:19.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:12:20.630000+08:00","text":"跟您秘書聯絡……是。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:12:20.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:12:20.971000+08:00","text":"就可以？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:12:21.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:12:25.474000+08:00","text":"來，你看一下他上面的title是寫什麼？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:12:25.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:12:30.051000+08:00","text":"他不是寫台灣智庫，他是新竹市長候選人耶！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:12:31.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:12:33.272000+08:00","text":"我去的任何行程基本上……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:12:33.312000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:12:43.315000+08:00","text":"今天一個新竹市長候選人就可以直接跟我們教育部的秘書聯繫，然後教育部長就可以親自出席，哇，surprise！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:12:44.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:13:01.701000+08:00","text":"真的是顛覆國人的認知，尤其是在6月30號已經爆發食用油危機之後，大家都要釐清到底是什麼狀況，結果我們教育部長居然還可以因為一位縣市長候選人的邀請就前往。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:13:01.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:13:09.343000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，歡迎委員調我的電話紀錄，事實上，我當天還打電話給署長說，這整個油品一定要再重新徹底檢查一次。","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:13:09.343000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:13:10.923000+08:00","text":"你看，你又問A答B了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:13:10.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:13:13.687000+08:00","text":"最後，你看很多的新聞都在講說這個不只是……很多的新聞都講說民進黨新竹市的政策宣講……","quality":0.486},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:13:13.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:13:17.832000+08:00","text":"沒有，我告訴你，委員不能針對我私底下休息的時間問我到底哪裡可以去、哪裡不能去，如果我有怠忽我的教育基本職責，你來挑戰我，我沒話講！","quality":0.483},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:13:29.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:13:31.128000+08:00","text":"我不用挑戰你、我不用挑戰你！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:13:31.128000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:13:32.128000+08:00","text":"但那是我的星期六、我下班的時間，我還再繼續……身為一個政務官，對我們的教育政策進行說明，包含捍衛學童的健康，我完全不遺餘力！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:13:31.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:13:39.251000+08:00","text":"來，部長，我直接跟你講過去馬政府時代的時候是怎麼對待我們的政務官？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:13:40.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:14:14.069000+08:00","text":"過去馬政府時代的時候，也有教育部長只是出席一個初選場合，他還沒有上臺分享，就已經被在野黨抨擊，並且當時的行政院長還講說這是自由公民的權利，但是法務部、教育部、國防部、警政署等單位應該保持行政中立、不宜輔選，這是當初國民黨執政時馬政府的態度、對於政務官的態度，認為法務部、教育部、國防部跟警政署等單位應該保持行政中立、不宜輔選。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:14:14.069000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:14:16.270000+08:00","text":"我不是在輔選，我在宣揚教育跟現在的政策，身為一個政務官必須要想辦法讓老百姓、社會大眾能夠清楚我們的政策。","quality":0.042},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:14:16.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:14:30.848000+08:00","text":"現在在民進黨執政之下，對於我們教育的態度是這個樣子，尤其是在食安油爆發的時候還用這樣子的態度，人民會看在眼裡，人民看在眼裡！","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:14:30.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:14:40.068000+08:00","text":"所以最後，目前不清楚到底有多少的食用油被吃掉、校園裡面消化多少食用油、我們回收多少致癌的食用油？","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:14:40.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:14:41.208000+08:00","text":"不知道！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:14:42.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:14:46.090000+08:00","text":"衛福部現在講五千多公噸，教育部現在還沒有辦法掌握，這就現在部會的狀況。","quality":0.719},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-07-13T14:14:47.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:14:56.275000+08:00","text":"我們掌握的就是食藥署公布的所有不好的油、有問題的油，我們全面把它下架、確保全面下架。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:14:56.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:15:20.230000+08:00","text":"明天行政院長專案報告，本席還是希望衛福部相關同仁要給全國國人最清楚的答案，尤其是我們還有一個行政院食品安全會報，6個月開一次，必要時候可以臨時召開，這個部分也要考慮是不是現在應該要建議行政院長以行政院長之姿召集跨部會來做相關的會報。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-07-13T14:15:20.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-13T14:15:20.350000+08:00","text":"以上，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-13T14:15:20.850000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:15:23.135714+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，部長有請。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-13T14:15:23.435714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:15:26.007143+08:00","text":"林倩綺、林倩綺、林倩綺。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-13T14:15:26.307143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:15:28.878571+08:00","text":"王鴻薇、王鴻薇、王鴻薇。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-13T14:15:29.178571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:15:34.607143+08:00","text":"今天登記的質詢委員均已發言完畢，詢答結束。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-13T14:15:34.907143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-13T14:16:08.335714+08:00","text":"對於委員質詢時要求提供的相關資料及未即時答復部分，請相關機關儘速以書面答復；另有委員張雅琳、傅崐萁、吳宗憲、徐欣瑩、林倩綺、葛如鈞提出書面質詢，列入紀錄，刊登公報，並請相關機關以書面答復；教育經費編列與管理法相關修正草案及國民轉介教育條例草案另定期繼續審查。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":3147,"blocks":[["洪委員孟楷：（14時）沒問題，不用。"],["主席：好，OK。"],["洪委員孟楷：請教育部鄭部長跟衛福部次長。"],["主席：請林靜儀政務次長以及教育部鄭部長。"],["洪委員孟楷：我先請教一下衛福部次長，我們現在看到這兩天又爆發的，到底中聯4月到6月生產多少噸的食用油，你們有沒有掌握？"],["林次長靜儀：有，中聯我們總共29個批次，它每一個槽是1,300噸，目前全部是預防性下架，如果全部算起來的話是2萬7,532.7公噸。"],["洪委員孟楷：兩萬多公噸？"],["林次長靜儀：對！"],["洪委員孟楷：4月到6月有幾個批次？"],["林次長靜儀：29個批次。"],["洪委員孟楷：我們看到新聞有報導，昨天石崇良部長還說現在是預防性下架13個批次，所以到底現在是預防下架13個批次，還是29個批次？"],["林次長靜儀：目前這29批次全部都是預防性下架，其中到現在查到有問題的是5個批次。"],["洪委員孟楷：5個批次？"],["林次長靜儀：對！"],["洪委員孟楷：所以其實從一開始的1個批次、2個批次，到現在5個批次，未來會不會再增加？不知道，但是現在所影響的致癌食用油，已經高達了不是1,300噸，以最壞的打算來看，現在有可能是兩萬多噸。"],["林次長靜儀：不是，那是預防性下架，但是我們後面……"],["洪委員孟楷：現在幾個批次是有問題的？"],["林次長靜儀：目前5個批次。"],["洪委員孟楷：5個批次，總量是多少？"],["林次長靜儀：一桶是1,300公噸，所以現在這5個批次是5,756.7公噸。"],["洪委員孟楷：至少現在衛福部食藥署確認的五千多公噸是有問題的，是不是？"],["林次長靜儀：對！這五千多公噸是必須下架。"],["洪委員孟楷：好，我請教次長，到目前為止，源頭知道了嗎？"],["林次長靜儀：中聯。"],["洪委員孟楷：對！中聯為什麼會產生致癌油？"],["林次長靜儀：製程的問題。"],["洪委員孟楷：製程？"],["林次長靜儀：對！它在製程過程……"],["洪委員孟楷：有確認了嗎？"],["林次長靜儀：當然這個部分後續還會再跟專家討論，不過6月30號收到……"],["洪委員孟楷：跟目前為止，我們看到媒體也好或你們食藥署相關的報告裡面都沒有講到，問題到底是源頭、運輸、製程，還是哪一個環節出了問題？"],["林次長靜儀：目前在6月30號收到通知之後，我們在7月份跟專家的會議裡面，目前認為是他們在整個製程過程中的品管。"],["洪委員孟楷：所以是品管問題？"],["林次長靜儀：是，目前認為是品管，就是不符合HACCP，這個過程裡面有好幾個在品管上必須要設立的節點，中聯並沒有達到一定的標準。"],["洪委員孟楷：好，所以次長這樣很明顯，這件事情是澈底的人禍，對不對？因為品管如果出了問題，還有如果他知道檢驗結果又造假相關的數據，這澈底是人禍啊！"],["林次長靜儀：是，對造假這個部分，目前是讓檢調來做調查。"],["洪委員孟楷：是！現在要釐清的是到底對我們的影響有多廣嘛！那4月以前呢？有沒有相關的問題？因為如果你現在講製程有問題，我想請教一下，中聯從過去到現在製程了多少批？會不會其實在前年、去年……就您剛剛講的製程，不管是地方政府或是中央部會，最後一次我們去稽查中聯是什麼時候的事？"],["林次長靜儀：委員，對這個部分，在111年到114年，食藥署是有「食用油脂製造業稽查專案」，地方縣市政府在過去……"],["洪委員孟楷：111年到114年？"],["林次長靜儀：111年到114年。"],["洪委員孟楷：所以到2025年？中聯什麼時候被揭露？因為現在全臺灣是三大系統業者嘛，對不對？如果以食用油來講的話，中聯算是其中之一嘛！"],["林次長靜儀：對。"],["洪委員孟楷：它生產的食用油，算是全臺灣三分之一，我們現在想要問的是只有4月、5月、6月有問題嗎？之前呢？如果就次長剛剛告訴國人的是製程問題，它用這樣的製程方法多久了？"],["林次長靜儀：委員，這樣子說，當然一開始會把它抓在4月是因為我們在6月30號收到通報，它是在4月4號的那一批。"],["洪委員孟楷：你會抓到是因為4月4號，那也是南僑查出來，通知福壽，福壽再往上講嘛！"],["林次長靜儀：所以我們從南僑後來這樣一路找，到6月30號跟我們通報之後，我們再往前拉。"],["洪委員孟楷：是，那個是因為還有吹哨者或者他們上下游……"],["林次長靜儀：那個不叫吹哨者。"],["洪委員孟楷：好，上下游廠商他們自己查出來嘛！"],["林次長靜儀：對。"],["洪委員孟楷：但現在本席的問題又更精進了，本席的問題是食藥署或衛福部能夠確認只有4月到5月、6月嗎？那往前呢？它到底作假了多久？"],["林次長靜儀：這個部分是不是作假？作假的程度是什麼？這個部分現在檢調正在處理。我剛剛提到111年到114年食用油脂的專案，其實查核起來，在當時不論是GHP，就是我們講的那個標準，我們資料裡面是204家，地方政府報上來都是合格的。"],["洪委員孟楷：不是啦！至少次長剛剛跟我們講的是從111年到114年……"],["林次長靜儀：我們的專案。"],["洪委員孟楷：從114年之後，我們是不是都可以合理懷疑其製程是有問題的？"],["林次長靜儀：114年之後，在115年由地方衛生局給我們的資料裡面，目前都是合格的。"],["洪委員孟楷：我們請教一下部長，剛剛次長也講了，這件事情不只是像一開始爆發的1,300噸，雖然我們聽起來1,300噸已經是很大了、很多了，原來現在有問題的是五千多噸，而且從4月、5月、6月其實生產了兩萬多噸，其中現在被檢驗出來有五千多噸可能有問題或者數據造假，還有多少沒有檢查出來？不知道！我們比較focus在學童的部分，我想請教過去，就至少這三個月，五千多噸裡面有多少是流向校園？你們有沒有個數量統計？"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告，確實就我手邊，我是比較不清楚，但是你要告訴我有多少的油品總量……"],["洪委員孟楷：當然啊！部長，你不覺得這重要嗎？過去這幾個月，現在衛福部告訴我們有問題的油有五千多噸，不是一開始的1,300噸，我們想要問五千多噸有多少已經被學童吃掉了？"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告，只要食藥署公布的，我們馬上立即就在任何縣市全面……"],["洪委員孟楷：所以你知不知道現在有五千多噸？"],["鄭部長英耀：現在知道了，謝謝。"],["洪委員孟楷：現在知道了……"],["林次長靜儀：報告委員，食藥署這邊公告的會把……"],["洪委員孟楷：今天討論了半天，結果衛福部的資料到底有沒有跟教育部跟相關部會來去勾稽或是釐清？"],["鄭部長英耀：要確保所有的品項，我們就全面下架，這是我能跟委員保證的。"],["洪委員孟楷：那學童到底吃了多少，不知道？是不是現在沒有這個統計？部長，怎麼了，這個問題不能問嗎？"],["彭署長富源：可以問。"],["洪委員孟楷：是啊！"],["鄭部長英耀：因為今天小孩子吃飯吃了多少，裡面到底有多少含油量？對不起，我不是這方面的專家……"],["洪委員孟楷：所以你應該要統計啊！部長，我覺得這個問題有意義呀！有意義在哪裡？第一，今天是擠牙膏式的，一開始跟我們講1,300噸，後來講是3批，後來又講5批，現在剛剛講了五千多公噸，這五千多公噸，如果我們沒有辦法理解或是掌握，我們的學童到底有多少……"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告，我的心情跟委員的態度都是一樣，學童安全絕對是我們所在意的。"],["洪委員孟楷：如果你在意的話，那你就不會現在還講不出這個數字。再者，部長，剛剛還有委員在這邊……"],["鄭部長英耀：委員，你昨天吃了什麼東西？到底有多少重量？有沒有吃到含油的，能不能請委員分享一下？"],["洪委員孟楷：部長，你不用在那邊問A答B啊！剛剛還有委員在這邊講後續的求償，如果你現在都還不知道到底學童吃了多少含致癌物質的油，你要怎麼協助求償？你要怎麼協助求償？你要怎麼協助求償？"],["鄭部長英耀：這個部分我們會配合衛福部食藥署，還有我們……"],["洪委員孟楷：是嘛！一個多禮拜過去了！一個多禮拜過去了，我們今天開這個專案會議，你難道不知道是要問這些相關問題嗎？一個多禮拜過去了，難道不知道應該要跟國小、國中、幼稚園釐清到底有多少的致癌油已經流入校園了嗎？你現在是跟我裝無辜，在裝什麼無辜啊！"],["鄭部長英耀：我要跟委員報告，只要是食藥署公布的不合格品項，我們22個縣市都全部下架，這個是我在學校裡面確保不會再……"],["洪委員孟楷：你講得很好聽，但我現在講的是，剛剛我問出來有五千多公噸，那我怎麼知道五千多公噸到底有沒有確實下架？"],["鄭部長英耀：對不起，委員問我這樣的一個……我沒有辦法回答。"],["洪委員孟楷：我有問你很刁鑽的問題嗎？"],["鄭部長英耀：因為在每一個學校裡面，這個油有問題一定要下架，但是今天這罐油用了幾c.c.去炒菜……"],["洪委員孟楷：這個問題難道不是我們全國國人、全國家長想要知道的嗎？這就是我們教育部部長想要告訴國人的部分？部長，為什麼本席今天會特別再跟你講？因為在這中間你還去了哪裡？這中間你還去地方輔選耶！連衛福部部長都知道避嫌、知道6月30號爆發事情的時候就不要去了。"],["鄭部長英耀：我要跟委員報告，我嚴重的聲明，這個資訊是不對的！"],["洪委員孟楷：來，什麼資訊不對？我現在給你時間講。"],["鄭部長英耀：我18號確實是身體有問題……"],["洪委員孟楷：我現在講的是7月4號。"],["鄭部長英耀：我們主席跟羅委員還特別送我出去。"],["洪委員孟楷：我現在在講7月4號，本席在講7月4號！"],["鄭部長英耀：那時候19號我請假也經過委員同意……"],["洪委員孟楷：來，部長，本席是講7月4號在新竹的這一場活動，6月30號爆發油品事件了，本來你要跟衛福部長一起去的，衛福部長都知道要避嫌了，衛福部長不去換經濟部長，結果你還去呀！"],["鄭部長英耀：我要跟委員報告……"],["洪委員孟楷：來，哪裡不對？"],["鄭部長英耀：任何一個人只要他想要知道我們國家教育政策怎麼推動，只要我時間允許，我都樂於去分享。"],["洪委員孟楷：好，非常好！部長，那一天是誰邀請您去的？"],["鄭部長英耀：是台灣智庫的執行長。"],["洪委員孟楷：台灣智庫執行長。"],["鄭部長英耀：是。"],["洪委員孟楷：在哪邊？台灣智庫執行長貴姓大名？"],["鄭部長英耀：莊執行長。"],["洪委員孟楷：這一位啊，全名可能不好講，是不是？"],["鄭部長英耀：有任何人想要了解教育政策，只要時間允許我都樂意。"],["洪委員孟楷：所以當天是台灣智庫莊競程執行長邀請您去的？"],["鄭部長英耀：是。"],["洪委員孟楷：主動跟您電話聯絡？"],["鄭部長英耀：跟我的秘書聯絡。"],["洪委員孟楷：跟您秘書聯絡……"],["鄭部長英耀：是。"],["洪委員孟楷：就可以？來，你看一下他上面的title是寫什麼？他不是寫台灣智庫，他是新竹市長候選人耶！"],["鄭部長英耀：我去的任何行程基本上……"],["洪委員孟楷：今天一個新竹市長候選人就可以直接跟我們教育部的秘書聯繫，然後教育部長就可以親自出席，哇，surprise！真的是顛覆國人的認知，尤其是在6月30號已經爆發食用油危機之後，大家都要釐清到底是什麼狀況，結果我們教育部長居然還可以因為一位縣市長候選人的邀請就前往。"],["鄭部長英耀：我跟委員報告，歡迎委員調我的電話紀錄，事實上，我當天還打電話給署長說，這整個油品一定要再重新徹底檢查一次。"],["洪委員孟楷：你看，你又問A答B了。最後，你看很多的新聞都在講說這個不只是……很多的新聞都講說民進黨新竹市的政策宣講……"],["鄭部長英耀：沒有，我告訴你，委員不能針對我私底下休息的時間問我到底哪裡可以去、哪裡不能去，如果我有怠忽我的教育基本職責，你來挑戰我，我沒話講！"],["洪委員孟楷：我不用挑戰你、我不用挑戰你！"],["鄭部長英耀：但那是我的星期六、我下班的時間，我還再繼續……身為一個政務官，對我們的教育政策進行說明，包含捍衛學童的健康，我完全不遺餘力！"],["洪委員孟楷：來，部長，我直接跟你講過去馬政府時代的時候是怎麼對待我們的政務官？過去馬政府時代的時候，也有教育部長只是出席一個初選場合，他還沒有上臺分享，就已經被在野黨抨擊，並且當時的行政院長還講說這是自由公民的權利，但是法務部、教育部、國防部、警政署等單位應該保持行政中立、不宜輔選，這是當初國民黨執政時馬政府的態度、對於政務官的態度，認為法務部、教育部、國防部跟警政署等單位應該保持行政中立、不宜輔選。"],["鄭部長英耀：我不是在輔選，我在宣揚教育跟現在的政策，身為一個政務官必須要想辦法讓老百姓、社會大眾能夠清楚我們的政策。"],["洪委員孟楷：現在在民進黨執政之下，對於我們教育的態度是這個樣子，尤其是在食安油爆發的時候還用這樣子的態度，人民會看在眼裡，人民看在眼裡！","所以最後，目前不清楚到底有多少的食用油被吃掉、校園裡面消化多少食用油、我們回收多少致癌的食用油？不知道！衛福部現在講五千多公噸，教育部現在還沒有辦法掌握，這就現在部會的狀況。"],["鄭部長英耀：我們掌握的就是食藥署公布的所有不好的油、有問題的油，我們全面把它下架、確保全面下架。"],["洪委員孟楷：明天行政院長專案報告，本席還是希望衛福部相關同仁要給全國國人最清楚的答案，尤其是我們還有一個行政院食品安全會報，6個月開一次，必要時候可以臨時召開，這個部分也要考慮是不是現在應該要建議行政院長以行政院長之姿召集跨部會來做相關的會報。以上，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝委員，部長有請。","林倩綺、林倩綺、林倩綺。","王鴻薇、王鴻薇、王鴻薇。","今天登記的質詢委員均已發言完畢，詢答結束。對於委員質詢時要求提供的相關資料及未即時答復部分，請相關機關儘速以書面答復；另有委員張雅琳、傅崐萁、吳宗憲、徐欣瑩、林倩綺、葛如鈞提出書面質詢，列入紀錄，刊登公報，並請相關機關以書面答復；教育經費編列與管理法相關修正草案及國民轉介教育條例草案另定期繼續審查。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":470,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-22-19","speakers":["羅廷瑋","羅智強","柯志恩","陳培瑜","葉元之","陳秀寳","郭昱晴","蔡春綢","林宜瑾","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","吳思瑤","許忠信","吳沛憶","洪孟楷","張雅琳","傅崐萁","吳宗憲","徐欣瑩","林倩綺","葛如鈞"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2026-07-13"],"gazette_id":"1156102","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1156102_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第19次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部政務次長林靜儀、行政院食品安全辦公室主任許輔列席\n就「校園食品安全把關機制及致癌油事件因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢；二、邀請教育部\n部長鄭英耀列席就「學生出缺勤管理及校園秩序維護政策亂象檢討與改善措施」進行專題報告，\n並備質詢；三、審查教育部函為修正「高級中等以下學校教師解聘不續聘停聘或資遣辦法」部分\n條文及「公立高級中等以下學校教師成績考核辦法」第五條、第六條之一條文案；四、審查(一)\n國民黨黨團擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第三條條文修正草案」案、(二)委員林德福等25人擬具\n「教育經費編列與管理法增訂第三條之二條文草案」案、(三)委員邱鎮軍等28人擬具「教育經費\n編列與管理法第三條條文修正草案」案、(四)委員徐欣瑩等29人擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第\n三條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員葉元之等21人擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第三條條文修正草\n案」案、(六)委員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第三條條文修正草案」案、(七)委\n員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第三條條文修正草案」案、(八)委員王鴻薇等18人\n擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第三條條文修正草案」案、(九)委員陳超明等17人擬具「教育經費\n編列與管理法第三條條文修正草案」案、(十)委員洪孟楷等16人擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第\n三條條文修正草案」案、(十一)委員萬美玲等17人擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第三條條文修正\n草案」案、( 十二) 委員翁曉玲等18 人擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第三條條文修正草案」案、\n(十三)委員馬文君等20人擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第三條條文修正草案」案、(十四)委員柯\n志恩等21人擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第三條、第十條及第十三條條文修正草案」案；五、審\n查委員葉元之等19人擬具「國民轉介教育條例草案」案；六、繼續審查(一)委員范雲等16人擬具\n「學校供餐法草案」案、(二)委員馬文君等17人擬具「學校供餐法草案」案、(三)委員魯明哲等\n24人擬具「學校供餐法草案」案、(四)委員王育敏等17人擬具「學校供餐法草案」案、(五)委員\n洪孟楷等20人擬具「學校供餐法草案」案、(六)委員黃健豪等20人擬具「學校供餐法草案」案、\n(七)委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「學校供餐條例草案」案、(八)委員林倩綺等21人擬具「學校午餐及\n營養促進條例草案」案、(九)委員鍾佳濱等17人擬具「學校午餐法草案」案、(十)委員郭昱晴等\n16人擬具「學校午餐及飲食教育法草案」案、(十一)委員張雅琳等17人擬具「學校午餐及飲食教\n育法草案」案、(十二)委員柯志恩等21人擬具「學校午餐及飲食教育條例草案」案、(十三)委員\n陳培瑜等26人擬具「學校午餐及飲食教育條例草案」案、(十四)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「高級中等\n以下學校及幼兒園午餐供餐法草案」案、(十五)委員王鴻薇等20人擬具「學校飲食健康促進法草\n案」案、(十六)委員葉元之等20人擬具「學校飲食健康促進法草案」案、(十七)委員陳秀寳等20\n人擬具「學校飲食法草案」案、(十八)委員林宜瑾等33人擬具「學校飲食法草案」案、(十九)委\n員劉建國等17人擬具「學校飲食教育法草案」案、(二十)委員徐巧芯等19人擬具「學校營養飲食\n供餐法草案」案、( 二十一) 委員邱鎮軍等25 人擬具「高級中等以下學校供餐及飲食教育條例草\n案」案、( 二十二) 委員羅廷瑋等20 人擬具「高級中等以下學校午餐及飲食教育條例草案」案、\n( 二十三) 委員萬美玲等19人擬具「學校營養午餐法草案」案、( 二十四) 委員葛如鈞等17 人擬具\n「學校供餐法草案」案、 ( 二十五) 委員吳沛憶等20人擬具「學校午餐及飲食教育促進法草案」\n案、( 二十六) 委員陳亭妃等16 人擬具「學校飲食法草案」案、( 二十七) 委員王美惠等19 人擬具\n「學校飲食法草案」案、(二十八)委員陳菁徽等22人擬具「學校營養午餐法草案」案、(二十九)\n委員許宇甄等23人擬具「學校營養午餐法草案」案、(三十)委員張嘉郡等19人擬具「學校營養午\n餐法草案」案、(三十一)委員李彥秀等16人擬具「學校營養午餐及飲食教育條例草案」案、 (三\n十二)委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw 等17人擬具「高級中等以下學校午餐及飲食教育條例草案」案、(三\n十三)委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等18人擬具「學校供餐及飲食教育條例草案」案、(三十\n四 ) 委員林月琴等 29 人擬具「學校供餐及飲食教育法草案」案、 ( 三十五 ) 委員游顥等 17 人擬具\n「學校營養午餐及食品安全衛生管理法草案」案、(三十六)委員顏寬恒等18人擬具「校園飲食均\n衡及健康促進法草案」案、( 三十七) 委員吳思瑤等17 人擬具「學校午餐及飲食教育條例草案」\n案、(三十八)委員張智倫等17人擬具「高級中等以下學校午餐及飲食教育條例草案」案、(三十\n九)委員蔡易餘等16人擬具「學校飲食法草案」案；七、審查委員羅智強等 20人擬具「學校營養\n飲食供餐法草案」案（第四、五案詢答）","agenda_id":"1156102_00001"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}