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liquid.當一個小孩子出生的時候，他的身體大概70%是液體……","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-15T11:04:42.183000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-15T11:04:43.183000+08:00","text":"大師級的，你不能只講英文，你……","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-15T11:04:43.183000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-15T11:04:44.183000+08:00","text":"我有講中文翻譯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-15T11:04:44.183000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-15T11:04:45.183000+08:00","text":"不是，再講一下日語，我的意思是多講一下，你也會日語，怎麼只講英文而已？","quality":0.033},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-15T11:04:42.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:05:30.376000+08:00","text":"很碰巧，地球的水面與陸地相比也剛好70%左右是水，這個問題不是我今天要請教部長的，我今天要請教部長的是今天毒品危害防制條例第三十三條的修法重點，我們要增加「唾液」，請問部長，尿液與唾液有怎麼樣的重大差異？","quality":0.835},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:05:38.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:05:49.309000+08:00","text":"當然，唾液與尿液的差異，我想大家都知道，最主要它現在在毒危條例的意義就是採樣檢驗的標的……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-15T11:05:50.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:05:50.910000+08:00","text":"這個差異很重要，因為……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:05:53.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:06:00.775000+08:00","text":"就像委員有提到，尿液與唾液能夠檢驗出來的時間、方式等等有很多不同……","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-15T11:06:00.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:06:13.141000+08:00","text":"這兩個液的差異會讓檢驗效果有差異，所以我今天來要跟部長交換這個意見。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-15T11:06:13.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:06:32.129000+08:00","text":"尿液是我們人體不要的，唾液是我們人體迫切需要的，這兩個的差異在於我們如果有吸毒，尿液會排出來，所以用它來檢驗是可行之道。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-15T11:06:37.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:07:08.838000+08:00","text":"至於尿液可以檢驗出來有毒與否的期間，自從第一次當立法委員的時候，我仰賴本院法制局的研究報告非常重，有關於這個修法，法制局的研究報告，我從頭看到尾，它講尿液可以測大概3到4天之前有沒有吸毒，唾液只有1到2天。","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-15T11:07:11.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:07:22.783000+08:00","text":"我現在要來請教部長，有哪一些毒品唾液測不出來，尿液測得出來，但是唾液測不出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-15T11:07:23.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:07:46.001000+08:00","text":"Etomidate，我們把它翻譯成中文，我不大會念，這是現在常用於電子煙、危害我們學生的，是我們最希望去防止的。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-15T11:07:47.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:07:52.325000+08:00","text":"我們用唾液有哪一些毒品驗不出來，部長，您知道嗎？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:07:54.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:08:01.121000+08:00","text":"尿液的話，現在三大中央實驗室，哪一種毒品都是可以驗……","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-15T11:08:01.121000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-15T11:08:02.121000+08:00","text":"尿液可以測得出來。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:08:01.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:08:11.309000+08:00","text":"現在我們公告的品項都可以驗得出來，但我們委託民間的那一部分，檢驗的品項是比較少……","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-15T11:08:11.309000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-15T11:08:12.309000+08:00","text":"我現在說唾液。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:08:12.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:08:18.154000+08:00","text":"唾液的話，是比較常見的七種毒品，至於哪七種毒品，是不是請警政署？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:08:18.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:08:23.717000+08:00","text":"因為他們有實驗室，可以直接跟委員做報告。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-15T11:08:24.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:08:28.240000+08:00","text":"我的時間有限，可以用書面給我。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-15T11:08:29.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:08:34.216000+08:00","text":"很顯然唾液能夠檢驗出來的毒品項目比較少，這個我們要注意……","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:08:34.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:08:36.257000+08:00","text":"就是常見的七種，但是尿液是……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-15T11:08:36.257000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-15T11:08:37.257000+08:00","text":"沒錯，所以……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:08:36.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:08:38.978000+08:00","text":"現在我們公告的每一種品項都可以。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-15T11:08:38.978000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-15T11:08:41.200000+08:00","text":"每一項與七，就有差異。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:08:41.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:08:52.946000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實唾液那個只是快篩，讓我們可以即時處理，對於特定人員這一部分，可以即時處理，並不是一定要辦他的罪，不一定要辦他的罪……","quality":0.776},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-15T11:08:52.946000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-15T11:08:54.006000+08:00","text":"它的確是快篩，但是它也只能測1到2天之前有沒有用這七種毒。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:08:54.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:09:05.873000+08:00","text":"它是一個快篩的機制，當然準確性也是蠻高的，只是有是不是偽陽性的……","quality":0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