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因為他成為告戒戶 他必須他的帳戶要限制五年那這樣的一個狀況呢 很多已經都獲不起訴的處分為什麼帳戶還要這個解除 還沒有解除他的這個限制到底還有多少戶 比如你公佈的這個超過12萬戶的告戒書現在到底還有多少是已獲不起訴處分 但帳戶還沒有完全解除"},{"start":418.649,"end":447.383,"text":"那個跟委員報告因為告誡的那個洗刑法告誡制度是22條這個是整個這個主辦單位是警方警管會不是不是這個是警方警方告誡是警方這個是洗刑法洗刑方釋法新的一個制度新的這個實行的這個是一個最近修法後的一個制度是那這部分到底有多少的告誡的所以要請這個這個警方才有這個資料所以要請這個"},{"start":448.706,"end":448.908,"text":"內政部這邊嗎"},{"start":451.646,"end":478.706,"text":"這部分我們有持續在滾動檢討因為其實有蠻多的民眾來反映那我們現在就是告誡書警方這邊發送以後就是他要解除這個賬戶管制他是有固定的這個年限現在就是因為事實上是曠日飛時啦尤其是真正能夠訴願成功的其實不到一趴就12萬或其實不到一趴那原則上就是因為你訴願跟陳情的那個程序事實上是非常的不合理啦比如說"},{"start":479.886,"end":507.574,"text":"現行的救濟要求民眾在30日內要提出訴願然後訴願失敗再行線訴訟但不起訴的處分常常都是在幾個月之後才會這個拿到那等到拿到證明救濟期也已經屆滿了那針對這個部分的話應該是要來如何解決呢是 鮑偉因為我們也知道有一些個案就是說他是被誤會這個款項然後涉入這個詐騙案的所以我們也跟委員報告我們有在滾動是跨部會在檢討"},{"start":508.294,"end":523.825,"text":"包括跟經管會我們在跨部會檢討這個問題那大概什麼時候可以研擬出來相關的這個救濟的機制我們把這個資料收集我們大概一個星期之內我們跟委員回報我們目前的進度好 謝謝謝謝 謝謝部長 謝謝次長然後另外我再請教一下考選部跟權敘部長請考選部跟權敘部兩位部長"},{"start":538.684,"end":554.298,"text":"兩位部長好我想請教一下因為我們看到最近的這個公務人員就是的人數的變化你可以看到現在目前已經創七年來的新低了到114年底的話只有3600"},{"start":559.542,"end":577.711,"text":"36萬零八十人那因為其實連資15年以下的已經也超過半數了那也就是代表說資深的中介人員他要提早申請退休然後新進人員報到後有可能三年內就離職"},{"start":578.812,"end":605.169,"text":"也就是說中階的提早離退那之前的呢也留不住那針對這個部分的話請問一下這個考選部長就是說我們現在已經連年不足額的錄取錄取後又不報導那數據年年公佈問題卻年年重演就是到底要怎麼樣我們才要去強制的檢討這些考科還有資格跟考試方式呢跟委員報告目前我們的確"},{"start":606.754,"end":634.125,"text":"有要去檢討我們看能不能再來盡量的把考科在那個考試比試跟訓練中間能夠再取一個平衡那請問要檢討到什麼時候什麼時候才能夠完成我們希望最近一年就可以有一個成本出來就今年嗎今年我們會先把整個政策方向訂出來不過這個要經過我們的院的那一個同意但我們今年應該就會有一些政策方向出來"},{"start":634.864,"end":654.271,"text":"因為這樣的一個文官體制事實上在快速的崩解當中我覺得這是非常重要的一個問題尤其兩位其實都是我們這個也是文官體制這個下的一個培養的一個非常重要人物那如果我們現在一些資深的培養好之後呢他就快速的離退事實上對我們整個的"},{"start":654.731,"end":682.024,"text":"整個國家來說是非常非常不利的一個狀況所以也希望考選部這邊能夠盡快的去研擬相關的這個這個有關考科啊資格考試的方式呢趕快送交行政院那最後再請教一下這個我們部長全序部長就是新進人員就是他大概現在的辭職集中在任職前三年那請問針對我們出任的待遇跟工作的負荷跟加班補償的"},{"start":683.024,"end":698.966,"text":"是不是有相關的改革能夠來降低新人的離職率呢我跟委員報告現在大概以我們的制度像行政引擎宣布要專業家裡家民營調薪以後我們最低的一直等剛新進的同仁大會到三萬八左右啦"},{"start":699.426,"end":716.341,"text":"但是我們真正擔任第一職等跟第二職等的佔全部工人比例大概2%大部分都是在三職等以上所以明年三職等以上大概就四萬七四萬八吧但是行政院不斷在滾動檢討這個薪水的議題根據現在我們的薪資的水平來說三萬多事實上真的不容易找到優秀的人"},{"start":724.368,"end":741.524,"text":"我理解啦 可能行政院會有一些跟工作內容相關 行政院一定會滾動檢討包括調薪或其他事實就是證明公務人員的報考率越來越低然後引用的工作人員的離職率也越來越高現在遇到的狀況是這樣子"},{"start":744.146,"end":758.211,"text":"大部分離職的都是在剛進來那剛進來我覺得有一些部分跟我們考試的方式也有關係那他很多人離職完以後大概又重新再重新去考試他並不是真正對公務體系沒有興趣本席在這邊也希望我們考選部跟詮敘部這邊就是必須要從考試任用待遇跟升遷大家全面來檢討就彼此之間合作怎麼樣去提出一個"},{"start":768.935,"end":785.967,"text":"最合適的方式來去改善這樣的問題跟提出相關的政策當然人事政策是這樣但是我們憲法規定是考試院做的但是很多實務的操作包括待遇證也是行政院大家一起要一起共同行政院跟考試院這邊大家看怎麼樣如何來合作真正來解決這樣的問題"},{"start":787.788,"end":796.558,"text":"所以我們也都滾動在提出修法的一個方案如果你們這邊提出修法不管是考選部或程序部希望儘快送行政院這邊來去檢討沒有問題 謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:42:04.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:42:04.848000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請法務部部長及內政部次長。","quality":0.312},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-15T11:42:04.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:42:05.008000+08:00","text":"有請法務部鄭部長及內政部次長。","quality":0.357},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:42:05.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:42:05.128000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:42:05.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:42:05.408000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:42:27.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:43:00.213000+08:00","text":"我想請教部長，因為我們今天要進行毒品危害防制條例條文修正的詢答，根據警政署公布的1到5月份毒駕案件，依公共危險罪移送有6,730件，已較去年同期暴增2.8倍，請問這6,730件中有多少件確認檢驗達到刑事追訴標準？","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:43:00.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:43:05.818000+08:00","text":"有多少件起訴、聲請簡易判決、緩起訴或不起訴？","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:43:05.818000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-15T11:43:06.818000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，委員非常關心這個問題，因為我手上沒有資料，我們再整理出書面報告給委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:43:06.818000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-15T11:43:07.818000+08:00","text":"好，大概多久的時間？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:43:07.818000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-15T11:43:08.818000+08:00","text":"兩個禮拜，好嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:43:08.818000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-15T11:43:09.818000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:43:06.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:43:08.775000+08:00","text":"但我想請教的是，法務部現在公布的資料是把毒駕和酒駕的案件合在一起，對嗎？","quality":0.606},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:43:29.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:43:31.698000+08:00","text":"這是以公共危險罪名來做分類。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:43:32.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:43:36.123000+08:00","text":"所以毒駕和酒駕其實是在一起，因為都是屬於公共危險。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:43:36.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:43:37.845000+08:00","text":"第一百八十五條之三的那些情況，我們是合在一起看。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:43:38.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:43:40.808000+08:00","text":"對，合在一起怎麼知道哪些是毒駕？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:43:40.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:43:41.449000+08:00","text":"哪些是酒駕？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:43:41.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:43:42.290000+08:00","text":"我們再來細分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:43:46.362000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:44:08.377000+08:00","text":"這個部分如果沒有辦法區分的話，酒駕和毒駕的嚴重程度是不一樣的，就像我們現在修法也是希望針對毒駕部分去做一些補正，要不然的話現在毒駕案件其實造成很多的人命傷亡，可是卻因為它跟酒駕綁在一起，所以之前的法令變成都是用緩起訴。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:44:10.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:44:32.050000+08:00","text":"毒駕和酒駕委員很關心，也的確是內行，因為酒駕部分是第一百八十五條之三第一項第一款、第二款，毒駕是第三款、第四款，這次修法研議把毒駕加重，尤其是新興毒品造成毒駕對於用路人安全的危害性的確是比較嚴重。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:44:33.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:44:55.647000+08:00","text":"我們很關心的是，毒駕背後是不是有可能牽扯到比如毒品販售集團，檢警由毒駕事件向上查獲，到底有沒有查出供毒者、販毒集團或是製造場所呢？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:44:56.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:45:06.894000+08:00","text":"這個有，我們的確會從施用者或者情資掌握向上溯源、溯源刨根。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:45:07.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:45:15.300000+08:00","text":"你們真正查獲的販毒集團，或是向上找出多少供毒者，應該都有相關資料，是嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:45:15.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:45:18.502000+08:00","text":"我們這邊有個案的偵辦，如果有相關資料，我們再提供給委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:45:19.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:45:21.845000+08:00","text":"也請部長這邊儘速提供。好。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:45:23.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:45:27.310000+08:00","text":"最重要的應該是我們要查出背後真正的供毒者。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:45:27.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:45:40.221000+08:00","text":"有查獲工廠的部分，我們有在記者會上說明，我們的六大緝毒系統也會溯源，尤其是依托咪酯類，包括其他各類型的新興毒品，我們都有查獲，除了販賣，還有製造。","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:45:42.963000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:45:58.088000+08:00","text":"在毒駕案件中，有多少人曾經有毒駕、施用毒品或是其他公共危險前案，多少人又是在緩刑或緩起訴和戒癮治療、保護管束風險的時候再犯的這些案件？","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:45:59.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:46:04.970000+08:00","text":"這部分要再細分有沒有前案，我們回去再做整理。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:46:05.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:46:06.912000+08:00","text":"為什麼本席要提出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:46:07.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:46:15.401000+08:00","text":"如果知道他是高風險的犯罪者，那麼針對這類高風險犯罪者要如何才能防止其反覆毒駕？","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:46:15.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:46:22.750000+08:00","text":"我覺得這也可以預防毒駕案件的不斷增加，否則現在已經比去年同期多了2.8倍。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:46:22.750000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-15T11:46:27.664000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員，我們再以書面……","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:46:27.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:46:35.027000+08:00","text":"針對這部分，大家共同來努力，不要讓同一個人一直不斷危害社會，造成人民的傷亡。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:46:35.027000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-15T11:46:40.409000+08:00","text":"這點我們會來努力。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:46:40.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:46:41.169000+08:00","text":"有關警政署部分，我想請教馬次長。","quality":0.357},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:46:41.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:46:51.854000+08:00","text":"目前警政署在查緝毒駕上，你剛剛說1月到5月移送了6,730件，這中間到底多少是……這些全部都是毒駕嗎？","quality":0.725},{"speaker":"馬次長士元","start":"2026-07-15T11:46:53.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:46:53.470000+08:00","text":"對，全部都是毒駕。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:46:54.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:46:56.573000+08:00","text":"酒駕的比例大概是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬次長士元","start":"2026-07-15T11:46:58.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:47:03.617000+08:00","text":"報告委員，有關酒駕部分，我們另外再準備資料，不過其中有一些是酒駕、毒駕同時發生的。","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:47:04.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:47:06.199000+08:00","text":"所以就是又吸毒又喝酒？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"馬次長士元","start":"2026-07-15T11:47:07.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:47:07.320000+08:00","text":"對，是的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:47:08.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:47:15.666000+08:00","text":"針對這類的查緝……其實今天之所以修法，就是希望能用唾液篩檢的方式，讓你們可以更快查到毒駕案件。","quality":0.738},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:47:17.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:47:29.771000+08:00","text":"針對這部分，我知道目前已經有部分開始採用唾液篩檢，這對你們的偵辦速度來說，大概可以增加多少查獲率？","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"馬次長士元","start":"2026-07-15T11:47:30.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:47:42.648000+08:00","text":"報告委員，唾液篩檢馬上就可以看到結果，不過之前我們第一批採購的唾液篩檢數量已經慢慢、逐漸快用完了，現在要進行的是第二批採購，我們會把精準度再提高。","quality":0.716},{"speaker":"馬次長士元","start":"2026-07-15T11:47:43.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:47:52.188000+08:00","text":"以目前來講，幾乎是百分之百，有百分之九十九以上的陽性正確率。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:47:56.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:47:58.570000+08:00","text":"針對毒駕的防治，我希望大家能一起共同來努力。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"馬次長士元","start":"2026-07-15T11:47:59.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:48:00.010000+08:00","text":"對，謝謝委員。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:48:00.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:48:11.914000+08:00","text":"另外想再請教部長，有關洗錢防制法告誡戶新制從112年上路至今，警方已經開出超過十二萬戶的告誡書。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:48:14.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:48:27.100000+08:00","text":"但其中有很多人是事後發覺，他們都是不知情的第三者，只是因為帳戶遭到詐騙集團濫用，誤以為他們跟詐騙集團有關。","quality":0.796},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:48:29.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:48:37.806000+08:00","text":"不過法院及檢察官均查無犯罪事證，可是畢竟已經成為告誡戶，所以帳戶必須限制五年。","quality":0.639},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:48:38.907000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:48:47.475000+08:00","text":"以這種狀況來說，縱使當中有很多人已經獲得不起訴處分，為什麼帳戶還是沒有解除限制？","quality":0.676},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:48:48.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:48:49.797000+08:00","text":"到底還有多少戶？","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:48:49.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:48:58.064000+08:00","text":"比如你剛剛說公布的告誡書超過十二萬戶，那麼現在到底有多少已獲不起訴處分，但帳戶還沒有完全解除限制的？","quality":0.702},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:48:58.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:49:07.714000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，依據洗防法規定，告誡制度在第二十二條，主責單位是警方……","quality":0.621},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-07-15T11:49:08.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:49:09.354000+08:00","text":"金管會？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:49:09.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:49:11.716000+08:00","text":"不是，是警方。警方？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:49:11.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:49:21.360000+08:00","text":"告誡是警方，這是洗錢防制法的新制度，屬最近修法後的新制度。","qual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，如果有相關資料，我們再提供給委員。"],["許委員宇甄：也請部長這邊儘速提供。"],["鄭部長銘謙：好。"],["許委員宇甄：最重要的應該是我們要查出背後真正的供毒者。"],["鄭部長銘謙：有查獲工廠的部分，我們有在記者會上說明，我們的六大緝毒系統也會溯源，尤其是依托咪酯類，包括其他各類型的新興毒品，我們都有查獲，除了販賣，還有製造。"],["許委員宇甄：在毒駕案件中，有多少人曾經有毒駕、施用毒品或是其他公共危險前案，多少人又是在緩刑或緩起訴和戒癮治療、保護管束風險的時候再犯的這些案件？"],["鄭部長銘謙：這部分要再細分有沒有前案，我們回去再做整理。"],["許委員宇甄：為什麼本席要提出來？如果知道他是高風險的犯罪者，那麼針對這類高風險犯罪者要如何才能防止其反覆毒駕？我覺得這也可以預防毒駕案件的不斷增加，否則現在已經比去年同期多了2.8倍。"],["鄭部長銘謙：好，謝謝委員，我們再以書面……"],["許委員宇甄：針對這部分，大家共同來努力，不要讓同一個人一直不斷危害社會，造成人民的傷亡。"],["鄭部長銘謙：這點我們會來努力。"],["許委員宇甄：有關警政署部分，我想請教馬次長。目前警政署在查緝毒駕上，你剛剛說1月到5月移送了6,730件，這中間到底多少是……這些全部都是毒駕嗎？"],["馬次長士元：對，全部都是毒駕。"],["許委員宇甄：酒駕的比例大概是多少？"],["馬次長士元：報告委員，有關酒駕部分，我們另外再準備資料，不過其中有一些是酒駕、毒駕同時發生的。"],["許委員宇甄：所以就是又吸毒又喝酒？"],["馬次長士元：對，是的。"],["許委員宇甄：針對這類的查緝……其實今天之所以修法，就是希望能用唾液篩檢的方式，讓你們可以更快查到毒駕案件。針對這部分，我知道目前已經有部分開始採用唾液篩檢，這對你們的偵辦速度來說，大概可以增加多少查獲率？"],["馬次長士元：報告委員，唾液篩檢馬上就可以看到結果，不過之前我們第一批採購的唾液篩檢數量已經慢慢、逐漸快用完了，現在要進行的是第二批採購，我們會把精準度再提高。以目前來講，幾乎是百分之百，有百分之九十九以上的陽性正確率。"],["許委員宇甄：針對毒駕的防治，我希望大家能一起共同來努力。"],["馬次長士元：對，謝謝委員。"],["許委員宇甄：謝謝。另外想再請教部長，有關洗錢防制法告誡戶新制從112年上路至今，警方已經開出超過十二萬戶的告誡書。但其中有很多人是事後發覺，他們都是不知情的第三者，只是因為帳戶遭到詐騙集團濫用，誤以為他們跟詐騙集團有關。不過法院及檢察官均查無犯罪事證，可是畢竟已經成為告誡戶，所以帳戶必須限制五年。以這種狀況來說，縱使當中有很多人已經獲得不起訴處分，為什麼帳戶還是沒有解除限制？到底還有多少戶？比如你剛剛說公布的告誡書超過十二萬戶，那麼現在到底有多少已獲不起訴處分，但帳戶還沒有完全解除限制的？"],["鄭部長銘謙：跟委員報告，依據洗防法規定，告誡制度在第二十二條，主責單位是警方……"],["許委員宇甄：金管會？"],["鄭部長銘謙：不是，是警方。"],["許委員宇甄：警方？"],["鄭部長銘謙：告誡是警方，這是洗錢防制法的新制度，屬最近修法後的新制度。至於這部分到底有多少的告誡戶？這要警方才有資料。"],["許委員宇甄：所以要請內政部嗎？"],["馬次長士元：跟委員報告，這部分我們有持續在做滾動檢討，確實有滿多民眾反映這點。由於警方發送告誡書後有固定年限，若要解除帳戶管制……"],["許委員宇甄：曠日廢時！尤其真正能訴願成功的其實不到1%，也就是十二萬戶中還不到1%。這是因為訴願跟陳情的程序非常不合理，比如現行的救濟要求民眾必須在三十日內提出訴願；若訴願失敗，再申請行政訴訟。但是不起訴處分常常要幾個月後才能拿到證明，等拿到證明時，救濟期已經屆滿，這問題應該如何解決？"],["馬次長士元：報告委員，我們也知道有一些個案是誤匯款項而涉入詐騙案，所以我們也跟委員報告，我們有在做滾動式、跨部會檢討，包括跟金管會……"],["許委員宇甄：金管會？"],["馬次長士元：對，我們有在跨部會檢討這問題，一有進度就會跟委員報告。"],["許委員宇甄：大概什麼時候可以研擬出相關的救濟機制？"],["馬次長士元：待我們把資料蒐集完，大概一星期之內跟委員回報目前的進度。"],["許委員宇甄：好，謝謝。"],["馬次長士元：謝謝委員。"],["許委員宇甄：謝謝部長，謝謝次長。","另外我再請教考選部長跟銓敘部長，好嗎？"],["主席：請考選部跟銓敘部兩位部長。"],["許委員宇甄：兩位部長好。我想請教，最近看到公務人員的人數變化，目前已創七年新低，到114年底為三十六萬零八十人。其中，年資十五年以下者超過半數，代表資深的中階人員可以提早申請退休，而新進人員報到後，可能三年內就離職。也就是說中階的提早離退，資淺的也留不住！針對這問題我請問考選部長，現在已經連年不足額錄取，但錄取後又不報到！數據年年公布，問題卻年年重演，到底要怎麼樣才要強制檢討考科、資格及考試方式？"],["劉部長孟奇：跟委員報告，目前我們的確有要去檢討，看能不能儘量把考科，在考試、筆試與訓練的中間再取得平衡。"],["許委員宇甄：但請問要檢討到什麼時候？什麼時候才能完成？"],["劉部長孟奇：我們希望最近一年就可以有成果。"],["許委員宇甄：就今年嗎？"],["劉部長孟奇：今年會先把整個政策方向訂出來，不過要經過院的同意，今年應該就會有政策方向出來。"],["許委員宇甄：文官體制正在快速崩解中，所以我覺得這是非常重要的問題！尤其兩位都是文官體制所培養出來非常重要人物，如果現在一些資深人員培養好後就快速離退，對國家來說是非常不利的狀況。所以希望考選部能儘快研擬有關考科、資格與考試方式，並儘速送交行政院。","最後再請教銓敘部長，新進人員的辭職時間大概集中在任職的前三年，請問針對初任人員的待遇、工作負荷與加班補償，是否有相關改革以降低新人的離職率？"],["施部長能傑：跟委員報告，依我們的制度來說，行政院已經宣布明年會增加專業加給並調薪，如此最低的一職等即新進同仁大概會到三萬八左右。可是我跟委員報告，真正擔任第一職等跟第二職等的，占全部公務人員比例大概2%，大部分都是在三職等以上。所以明年三職等以上大概就四萬七、四萬八，且行政院也不斷在滾動檢討薪水的議題。"],["許委員宇甄：對，根據現在的薪資水平來說，三萬多真的不容易找到優秀的人員。"],["施部長能傑：我理解。可能行政院有些考量與其工作內容相關，不過行政院每年一定會持續滾動檢討，包括調薪或其他一些……"],["許委員宇甄：事實證明公務人員的報考率越來越低，且離職率越來越高，現在所遇到的狀況就是這樣子。"],["施部長能傑：大部分會離職的都是在剛進來的時候，不過我覺得有一些跟考試方式也有關係。因為很多人離職後又重新去考試，可見並非真正對公務體系沒興趣……"],["許委員宇甄：本席希望考選部跟銓敘部必須從考試、任用、待遇與升遷做全面檢討，彼此相互合作，看怎麼樣才是最合適的方式，並提出相關政策以改善問題。"],["施部長能傑：雖然依據憲法規定，人事政策由考試院負責，但很多實務的操作，包括待遇在內，需要與行政院、大家一起來共同努力……"],["許委員宇甄：希望行政院與考試院能看看大家要怎麼樣合作，好真正解決這樣的問題。"],["施部長能傑：對，所以我們也在滾動提出修法，希望能得到立法院的支持……"],["許委員宇甄：既然你們要檢討並提出修法，那麼不管是考選部還是銓敘部，都要儘快送行政院，好嗎？"],["施部長能傑：沒有問題，謝謝委員。"],["許委員宇甄：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝許宇甄委員的詢答。","接下來請李坤城委員詢答。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":84,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-36-25","speakers":["莊瑞雄","陳昭姿","許宇甄","張雅琳","沈發惠","范雲","林倩綺","翁曉玲","許忠信","洪孟楷","林沛祥","李坤城","蔡其昌","吳宗憲","傅崐萁"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2026-07-15"],"gazette_id":"1156302","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1156302_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第25次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、併案審查（一）考試院函請審議「公務人員考試法第四條、第五條及第二十八條條文修正草\n案」案、（二）台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「公務人員考試法第五條、第六條及第二十八條條文修正草\n案」案、（三）委員張宏陸等19人擬具「公務人員考試法第四條條文修正草案」案；二、審查考\n試院函請審議「公務人員任用法部分條文修正草案」案；三、併案審查（一）行政院函請審議\n「毒品危害防制條例第三十三條及第三十六條條文修正草案」案、（二）委員羅智強等23人擬具\n「毒品危害防制條例第三十三條及第三十六條條文修正草案」案、（三）委員羅廷瑋等18人擬具\n「毒品危害防制條例第三十三條及第三十六條條文修正草案」案、（四）委員許宇甄等25人擬具\n「毒品危害防制條例第三十三條及第三十六條條文修正草案」案、（五）委員林淑芬等19人擬具\n「毒品危害防制條例第三十三條及第三十六條條文修正草案」案、（六）委員羅美玲等16人擬具\n「毒品危害防制條例第三十三條及第三十六條條文修正草案」案、（七）委員張雅琳等16人擬具\n「毒品危害防制條例第三十三條及第三十六條條文修正草案」案、（八）委員陳培瑜等18人擬具\n「毒品危害防制條例第三十三條及第三十六條條文修正草案」案；四、審查委員賴士葆等23人擬\n具「毒品危害防制條例第四條及第六條條文修正草案」案；五、審查委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「毒\n品危害防制條例第十一條之一條文修正草案」案；六、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具「毒品危害防\n制條例部分條文修正草案」案；七、審查委員鍾佳濱等17人擬具「毒品危害防制條例第二條條文\n修正草案」案；八、審查委員張宏陸等22人擬具「毒品危害防制條例第三十一條條文修正草案」\n案；九、審查委員丁學忠等16人擬具「毒品危害防制條例第三十一條條文修正草案」案；十、審\n查委員劉建國等17人擬具「毒品危害防制條例第三十一條條文修正草案」案；十一、審查委員陳\n冠廷等16人擬具「毒品危害防制條例部分條文修正草案」案；十二、審查委員徐欣瑩等25人擬具\n「毒品危害防制條例部分條文修正草案」案；十三、審查委員邱若華等17人擬具「毒品危害防制\n條例第三十一條條文修正草案」案；十四、審查委員林月琴等20人擬具「毒品危害防制條例第十\n一條之一條文修正草案」案；十五、審查委員傅崐萁等18人擬具「毒品危害防制條例第四條及第\n九條之一條文修正草案」案；十六、審查委員李坤城等19人擬具「毒品危害防制條例部分條文修\n正草案」案（詢答）","agenda_id":"1156302_00001"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}