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那我最後一個問題再請教現在我們當然對於這個獨價這個財閥就增加了那現在對於這個據測這部分呢"},{"start":546.215,"end":574.184,"text":"如果我們認為說他有可能有獨駕但是拒策那我們現在拒策的這一個讓他付出的代價稍微低了一點點因為就是罰款或是說把車子沒入那這樣子會不會讓這個比如說他本身可能是獨駕的人他就覺得說那反正我只要這一個拒絕獨測我付出的代價比抓到的那個成本還要低那我都用拒絕獨測的方式就可以了"},{"start":575.449,"end":602.051,"text":"拒絕測試那個是依照法律的話可以目前都行政法嘛我目前看到如果說有一些的犯罪的嫌疑的話犯罪嫌疑而不是沒有其他的犯罪的跡證但是有認為有真的是有足認為有犯罪嫌疑的是用毒品的這些的嫌疑的話就可以用那個刑事訴訟相關的規定來報請檢察官來許可就強制的採取協議"},{"start":603.392,"end":626.751,"text":"對 我是說啦就是說我們修法一定就是修得更重要遏止毒價但是我發現說目前好像你如果是拒絕這個毒測的話它的成本相對來講比較低它就罰緩嘛 讓你罰車子讓你沒路啊 搞不好也不是它的車啊對啊 它可能真的是有吸毒但是呢 就逃過了因為被抓到了 這個代價比較高啊"},{"start":627.532,"end":655.163,"text":"那這方面的話法務部有沒有在做加重的空間我想這是一個換後的態度我們檢察官在偵辦他是刑事的追究他不是行政的救責那這部分的刑事的如果說因為目前只有行政責任沒有刑事責任但是如果其他的犯罪的一個基層你明明就有吸食器或其他的"},{"start":655.643,"end":683.318,"text":"的毒品或者是這個整個行動持反或者意識不是那麼清楚那這一種他還拒絕的一個包括酒測拒絕的一個採取的那個的尿液的那這部分那個查緝的單位可以報請檢察官來同意來強制的採取尿液或這些我想這部分一定有這樣的一個機制目前法律對啦我就說想辦法要有一個機制把它補起來啊不然我就是現在目前是有這個法律啦"},{"start":683.618,"end":705.267,"text":"那他就是行政法而已啊他不是刑事法啊他如果說單純的沒有因為刑法刑法要追究追究一定有相關的犯罪的機制量刑的那如果說有這樣拒絕的話讓弄到一定要檢控同意的報警的許可我想這是一個量刑的一個一個重要犯後態度的參考好OK好謝謝謝謝部長好謝謝主席好謝謝李坤"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T11:55:27.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:55:27.089000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T11:55:27.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:55:27.629000+08:00","text":"請法務部鄭部長，內政部馬次長。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-15T11:55:27.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:55:27.949000+08:00","text":"請法務部鄭部長、內政部馬次長。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:55:49.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:55:49.613000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T11:55:50.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:55:51.194000+08:00","text":"部長好，次長好。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T11:55:51.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:56:09.119000+08:00","text":"今天是來討論毒品危害防制條例的修正草案，因為本席也有提案，現在我們已經將依托咪酯列入第一級的毒品，我想大家都沒有爭議，法務部也很快召開會議就把它通過了。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T11:56:10.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:56:52.663000+08:00","text":"現在我想請教的是，因為新興毒品它的速度，衍生的速度非常快，針對這部分，韓國是有把高達490種管制藥物，還有新興毒品納入新興毒品鑑定還有篩檢的資料庫，如果影響了安全的駕駛，或者是這些管制的藥物具有成癮性的影響，這些納入資料庫裡面，一旦政府更新法定的清單，政府就會立刻透過行政程序，將這些物質列入管制的附表。","quality":0.993},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T11:56:53.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:57:06.236000+08:00","text":"如果有這些清單，一旦發生了毒駕，然後他所吸食或是使用的毒品在這個清單裡面，就可以馬上處理了。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T11:57:06.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:57:39.926000+08:00","text":"我先請馬次長就這部分來做說明，當然在毒品危害防制條例裡面，現在沒有把這部分加進去，就是說，我們可以做一個清單，然後我們可以用緊急程序的方式來做處理，因為新興毒品是一直不斷在衍生，我們擔心的是，我們法制化的更新速度比不上毒品演化的速度，這部分次長是不是可以先回答一下？","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"馬次長士元","start":"2026-07-15T11:57:40.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:58:34.393000+08:00","text":"報告委員，其實每一天我們都產出大概一萬兩千多種新興化學品，全世界，所以它列管出來的化學品，一年大概都有兩千件上下，這裡面就有很多會被利用作為毒品，所以我們現在比較大的困擾就是說，其實我們在第一線的偵查實務上面，會在校園或在很多地方發現這些所謂新興化學品的蹤跡，它們被用來作為毒品使用，當然這個時候我們會通報法務部，提毒審會來做審查，中間當然就是……因為我們查獲的量跟查獲的趨勢，這個都還需要做認定，所以剛剛委員提到，如果我們能夠有一個類似像附表清單的方式，把這些可能的毒品我們把它列進去，有一個算是緊急處分的話，或許會有幫助，就是說對於我們在毒審會列管之前，我們可能有一段時間可以做一些行政處置。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T11:58:35.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:58:47.491000+08:00","text":"對，因為現在就是大家要抓毒駕嘛，我們也不知道這個毒駕的人到底是吸食哪一種，它有可能在我們四級毒品的管制裡面，但也有可能沒有啊，如果沒有的話，那怎麼去處理呢？","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"馬次長士元","start":"2026-07-15T11:58:50.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:58:55.411000+08:00","text":"目前如果沒有的話，我們現在就必須要去走毒審會列管的程序。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T11:58:56.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:58:58.114000+08:00","text":"這樣子，來，請部長。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:58:58.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:59:36.861000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，的確我們現在抓的一定是列管的毒品，其實我們列管的毒品已經是全世界幾乎最多的，我們也發現，這種有可能……在個案中我們發現到有未列管的先驅毒品或化學物質，這部分我們會趕緊提交到……我們有一個六大緝毒系統，臺高檢有一個預警的平臺，這裡面包括食藥署都有進來，這部分我們會趕緊把這些建議提交到毒審會，請毒審會趕緊做一個專家的討論，研議是不是要列入列管的毒品。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T11:59:37.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:59:42.685000+08:00","text":"但在這個空窗期裡面，如果在空窗期但是你抓到毒駕……","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:59:42.685000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-15T11:59:43.685000+08:00","text":"我想任何……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T11:59:43.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T11:59:45.767000+08:00","text":"但沒有發現列在你們的清單裡面。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T11:59:46.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:00:03.580000+08:00","text":"但是因為罪刑法定主義嘛，沒有列入毒品的話，就沒辦法說他是毒駕，但並不是沒有法可以處罰，如果他有符合第一八五條之三的第四款，包括吃藥，如果有做一些的他沒辦法做……","quality":0.653},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T12:00:03.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:00:05.501000+08:00","text":"就是沒辦法安全開車？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T12:00:05.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:00:13.869000+08:00","text":"對，他的認定是有沒有辦法安全開車，而不是你吃什麼，即使吃安眠藥或其他的一些，譬如說嗜睡的藥物。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T12:00:14.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:00:16.050000+08:00","text":"所以你們判定的標準是他能不能安全開車？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T12:00:16.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:00:16.251000+08:00","text":"對，而不是說他用哪一種毒品。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07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那尿液呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T12:03:58.261000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:04:17.609000+08:00","text":"尿液的話，因為尿液被認為是最後判決，或者是起訴一個最重要的依據嘛，針對尿液的部分，我們現在有區分，有做分級，如果有肇事的話，有一個綠色通道，我們希望在六大的一個……就是國家有三個重要的……","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T12:04:17.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:04:18.709000+08:00","text":"那多快的時間可以？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T12:04:18.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:04:19.529000+08:00","text":"希望在24小時內。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T12:04:19.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:04:19.650000+08:00","text":"24小時裡面。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T12:04:20.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:04:20.010000+08:00","text":"我們在搶時間。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T12:04:20.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:05:01.164000+08:00","text":"好，最後一個問題我要請教，現在我們當然對於毒駕的裁罰增加，另外對於拒測的部分，如果我們認為他可能有毒駕，但是他拒測，因為現在針對拒測的部分，讓他付出的代價稍微低了一點點，因為就是罰緩，或是把車子沒入，這樣子會不會讓……比如說他本身可能是毒駕的人，他會覺得反正我只要拒絕毒測，我付出的代價比你抓到的成本還要低，那我都用拒絕毒測的方式就可以了。","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T12:05:02.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:05:05.232000+08:00","text":"拒絕毒測，依照法律是可以……","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T12:05:06.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:05:08.094000+08:00","text":"目前都是行政罰嘛，我目前看到的。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T12:05:08.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:05:29.031000+08:00","text":"如果說有一些犯罪嫌疑的話，而不是沒有其他犯罪的跡證，但是有認為，真的是有足認為犯罪嫌疑的，有吸食毒品嫌疑的話，就可以用刑事訴訟法相關的規定，報請檢察官許可，就可以強制的採取血液。","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T12:05:30.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:05:35.236000+08:00","text":"我是說啦，就是我們的修法一定都是修得更重，為了要遏止毒駕。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T12:05:36.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:05:47.126000+08:00","text":"但是我發現目前好像是如果拒絕毒測的話，他的成本相對來講比較低，就是罰鍰，他願意讓你罰，車子就讓你沒入，搞不好也不是他的車啊。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T12:05:48.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:06:03.195000+08:00","text":"但他可能是真的有吸毒，但是就逃過了，因為被抓到了這個代價比較高，這方面的話，法務部有沒有再做加重的空間？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T12:06:03.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:06:14.800000+08:00","text":"我想這是一個犯後的態度，檢察官在偵辦是刑事的追究，不是行政的究責，刑事的部分如果說……","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T12:06:14.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:06:16.781000+08:00","text":"因為目前只有行政責任，沒有刑事責任。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T12:06:17.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:06:45.635000+08:00","text":"但是如果其他犯罪的跡證……如他明明就有吸食器或其他的毒品，或者是整個行動遲緩或者意識不是那麼清楚，至於包括他還拒絕酒測、拒絕採取尿液的部分，查緝單位可以報請檢察官同意來強制採取尿液或是血液，這部分一定有這樣一個機制，目前法律有相關規定。","quality":0.835},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T12:06:45.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:06:48.877000+08:00","text":"對啦，我是說想辦法要有個機制把它補起來，不然，我就是……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T12:06:49.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:06:50.098000+08:00","text":"目前是有這個法律。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T12:06:51.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:06:53.299000+08:00","text":"就是行政法而已，不是刑事法。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-07-15T12:06:55.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:07:08.285000+08:00","text":"因為刑法要追究一定要有相關犯罪量刑的基準，如果有這樣拒絕的話，弄到一定要報請檢察官同意許可，我想這是一個量刑的重要犯後態度的參考。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-07-15T12:07:08.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:07:10.826000+08:00","text":"好，OK，謝謝部長、謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-15T12:07:11.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-15T12:07:12.247000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝李坤城委員的詢答。","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-15T12:07:12.747000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-15T12:07:15.318429+08:00","text":"接下來請楊瓊瓔委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-15T12:07:15.618429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-15T12:07:20.475571+08:00","text":"楊瓊瓔委員、楊瓊瓔委員，楊瓊瓔委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-15T12:07:20.775571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-15T12:07:26.204143+08:00","text":"所有登記發言的委員均已發言完畢，詢答結束。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-15T12:07:26.504143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-15T12:07:37.361286+08:00","text":"委員質詢的時候，要求提供相關資料或以書面答復者，請相關機關儘速送交個別委員及本會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-15T12:07:37.661286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-15T12:07:48.232714+08:00","text":"委員蔡其昌、吳宗憲、傅崐萁所提書面質詢，列入紀錄，刊登公報，並請相關機關以書面來答復。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":1005,"blocks":[["李委員坤城：（11時55分）謝謝主席。請法務部鄭部長，內政部馬次長。"],["主席：請法務部鄭部長、內政部馬次長。"],["鄭部長銘謙：委員好。"],["李委員坤城：部長好，次長好。今天是來討論毒品危害防制條例的修正草案，因為本席也有提案，現在我們已經將依托咪酯列入第一級的毒品，我想大家都沒有爭議，法務部也很快召開會議就把它通過了。現在我想請教的是，因為新興毒品它的速度，衍生的速度非常快，針對這部分，韓國是有把高達490種管制藥物，還有新興毒品納入新興毒品鑑定還有篩檢的資料庫，如果影響了安全的駕駛，或者是這些管制的藥物具有成癮性的影響，這些納入資料庫裡面，一旦政府更新法定的清單，政府就會立刻透過行政程序，將這些物質列入管制的附表。如果有這些清單，一旦發生了毒駕，然後他所吸食或是使用的毒品在這個清單裡面，就可以馬上處理了。我先請馬次長就這部分來做說明，當然在毒品危害防制條例裡面，現在沒有把這部分加進去，就是說，我們可以做一個清單，然後我們可以用緊急程序的方式來做處理，因為新興毒品是一直不斷在衍生，我們擔心的是，我們法制化的更新速度比不上毒品演化的速度，這部分次長是不是可以先回答一下？"],["馬次長士元：報告委員，其實每一天我們都產出大概一萬兩千多種新興化學品，全世界，所以它列管出來的化學品，一年大概都有兩千件上下，這裡面就有很多會被利用作為毒品，所以我們現在比較大的困擾就是說，其實我們在第一線的偵查實務上面，會在校園或在很多地方發現這些所謂新興化學品的蹤跡，它們被用來作為毒品使用，當然這個時候我們會通報法務部，提毒審會來做審查，中間當然就是……因為我們查獲的量跟查獲的趨勢，這個都還需要做認定，所以剛剛委員提到，如果我們能夠有一個類似像附表清單的方式，把這些可能的毒品我們把它列進去，有一個算是緊急處分的話，或許會有幫助，就是說對於我們在毒審會列管之前，我們可能有一段時間可以做一些行政處置。"],["李委員坤城：對，因為現在就是大家要抓毒駕嘛，我們也不知道這個毒駕的人到底是吸食哪一種，它有可能在我們四級毒品的管制裡面，但也有可能沒有啊，如果沒有的話，那怎麼去處理呢？"],["馬次長士元：目前如果沒有的話，我們現在就必須要去走毒審會列管的程序。"],["李委員坤城：這樣子，來，請部長。"],["鄭部長銘謙：跟委員報告，的確我們現在抓的一定是列管的毒品，其實我們列管的毒品已經是全世界幾乎最多的，我們也發現，這種有可能……在個案中我們發現到有未列管的先驅毒品或化學物質，這部分我們會趕緊提交到……我們有一個六大緝毒系統，臺高檢有一個預警的平臺，這裡面包括食藥署都有進來，這部分我們會趕緊把這些建議提交到毒審會，請毒審會趕緊做一個專家的討論，研議是不是要列入列管的毒品。"],["李委員坤城：但在這個空窗期裡面，如果在空窗期但是你抓到毒駕……"],["鄭部長銘謙：我想任何……"],["李委員坤城：但沒有發現列在你們的清單裡面。"],["鄭部長銘謙：但是因為罪刑法定主義嘛，沒有列入毒品的話，就沒辦法說他是毒駕，但並不是沒有法可以處罰，如果他有符合第一八五條之三的第四款，包括吃藥，如果有做一些的他沒辦法做……"],["李委員坤城：就是沒辦法安全開車？"],["鄭部長銘謙：對，他的認定是有沒有辦法安全開車，而不是你吃什麼，即使吃安眠藥或其他的一些，譬如說嗜睡的藥物。"],["李委員坤城：所以你們判定的標準是他能不能安全開車？"],["鄭部長銘謙：對，而不是說他用哪一種毒品。"],["李委員坤城：但如果吸食毒品後能夠安全開車呢？"],["鄭部長銘謙：那是一個閾值，就是容度值的問題，那個是抽象危險犯，只要有服用，且達到那個標準，那就直接辦了，不再問有沒有發生肇事。另外，如果是未列管的毒品，或者服用一些藥物，它是處方藥或是合法的藥物，但是他沒辦法正常的行駛，這樣的話也是成立第一八五條之三。"],["李委員坤城：所以法務部目前的看法還是傾向於沒有像韓國那樣子，我們就是有一個清單？"],["鄭部長銘謙：我們現在也有機制在處理嘛，而且我們在搶時間，所以委員關心的……其實我們在毒審會議，當然它是一季開一次，但是必要時可以加開，所以……"],["李委員坤城：依托咪酯當然就是後來加開了，從三級變成二級，又從二級變成一級。"],["鄭部長銘謙：對，那個都是加開的，從我們……"],["李委員坤城：依托咪酯也會一直變嘛，對不對？"],["鄭部長銘謙：它的化學結構有時候會變化，所以我們隨時在掌握、關注這些化學物質有沒有做改變，因為這些改變可能也是常見的，所以我們隨時掌握、關注，我想這部分我們是在搶時間啦。"],["李委員坤城：就是說你把他釘死了依托咪酯，然後你剛剛還說有什麼相似的製品，這個也列入一級的毒品，但是我現在要說的是，我擔心新興毒品不斷的在演化的過程當中，有一些沒有辦法納入我們現在所謂的條例裡面，然後會造成那個空窗期，所以我們要想辦法把這個空窗期縮短，不然會變成說，縱使這個人毒駕了，但因為他吃的這個藥不是你們法定認定的毒品……"],["鄭部長銘謙：他不能安全駕駛的部分也是照辦啊，也是可以辦的，那個本來就是第一百八十五條之三的第一項第四款，那裡面就有了，所以那個是藥駕的問題，使用藥物後去駕駛。"],["李委員坤城：就不是毒駕？"],["鄭部長銘謙：不是毒駕、不是毒駕，是藥駕。"],["李委員坤城：算是藥駕。"],["鄭部長銘謙：藥駕也可以去辦，因為他的重點不是用哪一種毒品，而是他沒辦法安全駕駛。"],["李委員坤城：好，那我再請教一下部長，現在依托咪酯代謝的速度非常快，遇到這種情況的話，你們現在是有唾篩的試劑嘛。"],["鄭部長銘謙：那個是警方有在做唾篩的部分。"],["李委員坤城：現在在法院這部分，對於唾液篩檢認定的情況是怎麼樣？"],["鄭部長銘謙：當然是有個別差異性，但是大部分的案件，法院都是支持的啦，但是有少數比較特殊、例外的法官，他認為他不支持，但是的確唾篩只是當時在第一線查緝的時候，要趕緊去區別……"],["李委員坤城：在第一時間嘛。"],["鄭部長銘謙：對，第一時間，我想我們如果要聲請羈押的話，當然我們要參酌其他的一些證據資料，包括他的身體反應，或者他有沒有持有電子煙具……"],["李委員坤城：我的意思是說，除了唾液的試劑之外，還有什麼其他的認定標準，可以提高讓法院同意羈押？"],["鄭部長銘謙：這部分我們當然有設一個綠色通道，遇到肇事的部分，因為有羈押之必要一定要合乎訴訟法的相關要件，如果認為有羈押的必要，有些我們是認為，譬如說有肇事了……"],["李委員坤城：這樣沒有問題啦。我的意思是說，如果他沒有肇事，但是他就是吸食毒品，你們用唾液試劑也驗出來了，他就是有吸食毒品。"],["鄭部長銘謙：那個部分，我們當然會斟酌其他的證據資料，譬如說身體的反應、他的意識是不是有清醒，還包括吸食器或者菸具，甚至持有……"],["李委員坤城：那尿液呢？"],["鄭部長銘謙：尿液的話，因為尿液被認為是最後判決，或者是起訴一個最重要的依據嘛，針對尿液的部分，我們現在有區分，有做分級，如果有肇事的話，有一個綠色通道，我們希望在六大的一個……就是國家有三個重要的……"],["李委員坤城：那多快的時間可以？"],["鄭部長銘謙：希望在24小時內。"],["李委員坤城：24小時裡面。"],["鄭部長銘謙：我們在搶時間。"],["李委員坤城：好，最後一個問題我要請教，現在我們當然對於毒駕的裁罰增加，另外對於拒測的部分，如果我們認為他可能有毒駕，但是他拒測，因為現在針對拒測的部分，讓他付出的代價稍微低了一點點，因為就是罰緩，或是把車子沒入，這樣子會不會讓……比如說他本身可能是毒駕的人，他會覺得反正我只要拒絕毒測，我付出的代價比你抓到的成本還要低，那我都用拒絕毒測的方式就可以了。"],["鄭部長銘謙：拒絕毒測，依照法律是可以……"],["李委員坤城：目前都是行政罰嘛，我目前看到的。"],["鄭部長銘謙：如果說有一些犯罪嫌疑的話，而不是沒有其他犯罪的跡證，但是有認為，真的是有足認為犯罪嫌疑的，有吸食毒品嫌疑的話，就可以用刑事訴訟法相關的規定，報請檢察官許可，就可以強制的採取血液。"],["李委員坤城：我是說啦，就是我們的修法一定都是修得更重，為了要遏止毒駕。但是我發現目前好像是如果拒絕毒測的話，他的成本相對來講比較低，就是罰鍰，他願意讓你罰，車子就讓你沒入，搞不好也不是他的車啊。但他可能是真的有吸毒，但是就逃過了，因為被抓到了這個代價比較高，這方面的話，法務部有沒有再做加重的空間？"],["鄭部長銘謙：我想這是一個犯後的態度，檢察官在偵辦是刑事的追究，不是行政的究責，刑事的部分如果說……"],["李委員坤城：因為目前只有行政責任，沒有刑事責任。"],["鄭部長銘謙：但是如果其他犯罪的跡證……如他明明就有吸食器或其他的毒品，或者是整個行動遲緩或者意識不是那麼清楚，至於包括他還拒絕酒測、拒絕採取尿液的部分，查緝單位可以報請檢察官同意來強制採取尿液或是血液，這部分一定有這樣一個機制，目前法律有相關規定。"],["李委員坤城：對啦，我是說想辦法要有個機制把它補起來，不然，我就是……"],["鄭部長銘謙：目前是有這個法律。"],["李委員坤城：就是行政法而已，不是刑事法。"],["鄭部長銘謙：因為刑法要追究一定要有相關犯罪量刑的基準，如果有這樣拒絕的話，弄到一定要報請檢察官同意許可，我想這是一個量刑的重要犯後態度的參考。"],["李委員坤城：好，OK，謝謝部長、謝謝主席。"],["主席：好，謝謝李坤城委員的詢答。","接下來請楊瓊瓔委員。楊瓊瓔委員、楊瓊瓔委員，楊瓊瓔委員不在。","所有登記發言的委員均已發言完畢，詢答結束。委員質詢的時候，要求提供相關資料或以書面答復者，請相關機關儘速送交個別委員及本會。","委員蔡其昌、吳宗憲、傅崐萁所提書面質詢，列入紀錄，刊登公報，並請相關機關以書面來答復。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":84,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-36-25","speakers":["莊瑞雄","陳昭姿","許宇甄","張雅琳","沈發惠","范雲","林倩綺","翁曉玲","許忠信","洪孟楷","林沛祥","李坤城","蔡其昌","吳宗憲","傅崐萁"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2026-07-15"],"gazette_id":"1156302","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1156302_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第25次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、併案審查（一）考試院函請審議「公務人員考試法第四條、第五條及第二十八條條文修正草\n案」案、（二）台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「公務人員考試法第五條、第六條及第二十八條條文修正草\n案」案、（三）委員張宏陸等19人擬具「公務人員考試法第四條條文修正草案」案；二、審查考\n試院函請審議「公務人員任用法部分條文修正草案」案；三、併案審查（一）行政院函請審議\n「毒品危害防制條例第三十三條及第三十六條條文修正草案」案、（二）委員羅智強等23人擬具\n「毒品危害防制條例第三十三條及第三十六條條文修正草案」案、（三）委員羅廷瑋等18人擬具\n「毒品危害防制條例第三十三條及第三十六條條文修正草案」案、（四）委員許宇甄等25人擬具\n「毒品危害防制條例第三十三條及第三十六條條文修正草案」案、（五）委員林淑芬等19人擬具\n「毒品危害防制條例第三十三條及第三十六條條文修正草案」案、（六）委員羅美玲等16人擬具\n「毒品危害防制條例第三十三條及第三十六條條文修正草案」案、（七）委員張雅琳等16人擬具\n「毒品危害防制條例第三十三條及第三十六條條文修正草案」案、（八）委員陳培瑜等18人擬具\n「毒品危害防制條例第三十三條及第三十六條條文修正草案」案；四、審查委員賴士葆等23人擬\n具「毒品危害防制條例第四條及第六條條文修正草案」案；五、審查委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「毒\n品危害防制條例第十一條之一條文修正草案」案；六、審查委員羅智強等18人擬具「毒品危害防\n制條例部分條文修正草案」案；七、審查委員鍾佳濱等17人擬具「毒品危害防制條例第二條條文\n修正草案」案；八、審查委員張宏陸等22人擬具「毒品危害防制條例第三十一條條文修正草案」\n案；九、審查委員丁學忠等16人擬具「毒品危害防制條例第三十一條條文修正草案」案；十、審\n查委員劉建國等17人擬具「毒品危害防制條例第三十一條條文修正草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