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對不對"},{"start":521.756,"end":524.097,"text":"我們要的是國防部這一塊否則我們現在進口出口其實都有就是缺我們國防部這個特別條例給我們所有產業更好的背景更好的一個產業的一個力道"},{"start":537.323,"end":565.315,"text":"我現在覺得我們在亂七八糟耶所以我認為今天這樣的一個安排我覺得我們有一點把它混在一起了這個混在一起對我們的產業是沒有幫助的我們應該把它分得更清楚我們如何去發展無人機產業然後無人機產業如何有我們國防部更好的特別條例做一個更加的防衛保障"},{"start":566.295,"end":588.121,"text":"才能讓我們無人機產業更有擔當更有穩實的基礎所以拜託真的要把它分得很清楚否則所有無人機產業都跟我說了現在是在幹什麼我們的產業發展不是早就在做了嗎怎麼現在又把我們拉回去我覺得立場要擺得很清楚謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-07-16T09:25:53.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:26:03.827000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請主計、國防部，因為時間有限要請經濟部的代表一起上。","quality":0.519},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-16T09:26:03.827000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T09:26:10.292000+08:00","text":"請主計、國防部、經濟部。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-07-16T09:26:10.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:26:10.452000+08:00","text":"主計呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-16T09:26:10.452000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T09:26:14.779000+08:00","text":"陳委員好。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-07-16T09:26:14.779000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:26:53.886000+08:00","text":"我想我先問主計，因為我已經擔任民意代表28年，其中擔任10年的議員在審地方預算，18年的立委在審中央預算，我覺得這個會期非常奇怪，從過去給我的一些方向和目標是，我們民意機關審預算不能增加預算，也不能下指導棋，要求行政院要怎麼編預算，可是這次全部亂來。","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-07-16T09:26:56.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:27:09.229000+08:00","text":"光是看到這次國民黨、民眾黨的版本，尤其是國民黨的版本直接要求每年編列400億，連續6年。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-07-16T09:27:09.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:27:29.808000+08:00","text":"這樣的版本是用法律命令行政院每年要編一筆固定的金額，基本上已經違反預算法還有財政紀律法，更不用說根本已經違憲了，因為它牴觸了憲法第五十九條。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-07-16T09:27:29.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:27:29.808000+08:00","text":"請主計。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳專門委員台偉","start":"2026-07-16T09:27:33.471000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:27:45.462000+08:00","text":"通常重大的法案涉及重大金額，行政跟立法可能都會事先溝通，取得共識。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-07-16T09:27:45.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:27:49.084000+08:00","text":"一定要取得共識，立法院才能提出嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-07-16T09:27:49.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:28:04.769000+08:00","text":"如果沒有共識的話，立法院不可能自己提出版本，以所謂的固定預算、法定預算要求行政院吃下去、吞下去，對不對？是。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-07-16T09:28:04.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:28:06.390000+08:00","text":"這就已經是違法、違憲了。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-07-16T09:28:08.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:28:27.213000+08:00","text":"我再問顧部長，部長，我看到在國民黨的版本還有民眾黨的版本，我們要提出一個特別條例，它有重要性、關鍵性。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-07-16T09:28:29.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:28:51.867000+08:00","text":"這裡面根本就沒有三型急需採購的無人載具的明確規劃，請問沒有明確規劃的話，怎麼叫有必要性、特殊性的特別條例草案？部長。","quality":0.698},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-16T09:28:55.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:29:04.564000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，第一個，我們提的是特別條例，現在國民黨版跟民眾黨版不是特別條例，制定特別條例的目的是為了編特別預算。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-16T09:29:06.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:29:18.628000+08:00","text":"首先要說明的是，他們這兩個條例著重的都是在科技發展跟產業發展的部分，跟我們提出的特別條例性質顯然不同。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-16T09:29:18.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:29:36.864000+08:00","text":"第二個，我們國防部提的是符合我們作戰需求的無人載具採購，我想這是我們才知道的規劃，所以以國防部為主管機關，由我們提出一個明確的採購標的。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-16T09:29:36.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:29:54.614000+08:00","text":"這個採購的標的剛才也報告了，是經過兩年聯參自己本身還有跟美方共同討論出來的，認為在臺海的防衛作戰上面能夠發揮不對稱作戰優勢非常重要的採購事項。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-16T09:29:55.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:30:26.400000+08:00","text":"我們提出特別預算的主要目的是希望預算能夠穩定，運用這個預算的穩定性讓我們逐年分批採購，也強調它的迭代創新，這樣一方面可以滿足我們的作戰需求作戰能力的建構，一方面能讓廠商願意去投資，另外一方面基於無人載具迭代創新的原則，我們逐年採購。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-16T09:30:26.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:30:28.602000+08:00","text":"特別條例通過之後還是要提出……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-07-16T09:30:29.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:30:30.324000+08:00","text":"特別預算。","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-16T09:30:31.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:30:33.307000+08:00","text":"相關具體的計畫。對。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-07-16T09:30:33.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:30:37.171000+08:00","text":"那個時候會更詳細地跟各位委員說明以上各項。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-07-16T09:30:37.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:30:50.805000+08:00","text":"所以部長講到了一個重點，國防部今天會提出這個特別條例，因為我們已經思考兩年，它有重要性、特別性，而且也符合我們現在作戰的方向。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-07-16T09:30:51.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T09:30:59.729000+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