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老闆主委在這裡本事要跟你探討的就是說你說怎麼公道有六個可能我們合法法律去做現在最重要的是我們的省務人員"},{"start":40.419,"end":56.694,"text":"都陸陸續續都報名,又聽到這幾天說公道要多少,要多少結果他們要先去到三天後,他們反映了,因為只有2018年底"},{"start":58.596,"end":68.503,"text":"大家都買選舉的人,不是買要投票的人是投票的人買選委人員的在這裡主委,我們想要告訴你一件報名,要去投三天選委人員還聽到這幾天這樣,應該會中獎的如果像這樣的時候,一報名之後可以說不要去啦,你們說嗎來主委,你回答一下"},{"start":88.038,"end":97.223,"text":"兩點,第一點我完全同意翁議員你剛才說的問題已經散聲了他們知道未來有多少公道所以雙武人員現在默執這很困難,增加他的困難度現在有人說他如果定期要說禮拜二,這是不是可以"},{"start":109.406,"end":118.978,"text":"我的直覺應該是可以啦 不過我們沒有希望它發生啦因為主委本席跟你談到這個就是大家都會煩惱像有的剛才我們說的這個公道所有規案用"},{"start":127.248,"end":133.073,"text":"跟一張座而已有的分隊有的同意現在不是一張座才會說第一案不同意第二案同意如果要再查票的時候"},{"start":143.462,"end":151.327,"text":"是更加麻煩的那是很麻煩的本市長剛才跟你問的那個大案你說最好可以最好繼續到三天再做啦要不然就是有的人很煩惱的時候他可以向當地的選舉委員會說我不要了嗎?可以嗎?"},{"start":172.662,"end":189.508,"text":"我相信應該是可以的 不過我跟委員分析一下外景好不好我前陣子到現在還沒三個月啦 我用14個縣市的委員會跟縣市委員會的這個委員 這個監察所做的聲援 跟這個幹部的簽約責任 都說基中一點嘛"},{"start":196.75,"end":211.322,"text":"其中一點就是說,很多人都說現在要接受這個宣布江蘇聯盟很困難對,很困難,怎麼會像這樣更加困難啊我問說到底是有意願過啊,還是什麼人沒有啊不是說這是很好的一個考慮嘛,你說離空100年100歲前,大家都怕死啊大家都怕死啊 大家都怕死啊就是說,哇,怎麼這麼難過啊,開票開到30%而已啊"},{"start":226.374,"end":232.342,"text":"未來就是這樣,他們不會,很多人就說他們不會所以在這個民間,我們也覺得要公平公正在這個過程當中,像這樣過去,你也知道離空一半年,所有經過"},{"start":245.313,"end":253.095,"text":"什麼事情,你應該知道嘛,真正報名的孫子中,他為他的帖文多賞美一屆我們不可以說他沒有歸咎於孫子委員會裡面的同仁啦,在這個過程當中"},{"start":266.039,"end":274.29,"text":"很煩惱,很害怕,因為尤其是家庭企業時,早早就有報名,有人看要去倒三天的,沒有啦,不是倒三天而已,在這幾天,卡電話來不及說,我不愛啦,敢不可以啦"},{"start":284.226,"end":295.074,"text":"因為她的兒子自己的公道當然是民主的主流國家公道沒有什麼"},{"start":297.143,"end":307.154,"text":"說有什麼牌,或者是那種,我覺得廣島很好,只是廣島要叫北省來廣島的時候,是不是他要知道,我們今天要去選地方,要去選廣島,那時候老民的陷阱,"},{"start":316.536,"end":323.44,"text":"有時候要去買鈴鐺的時候才知道,才知道說這案子這案子,跟你認為,我們在23條,要到1個月至6個月,但是到處在17條,他說要到10天啊"},{"start":339.428,"end":350.375,"text":"在這個過程當中,不是主委你害怕而已,我也很害怕而已因為選舉跟公道會亂來啦,尤其歐里桑、歐巴桑你沒人說,他才知道要做什麼啊有時候,這公道不錯喔,我們會來倒喔但是現在不是好壞啦,現在是變正地去操弄他啦"},{"start":368.427,"end":381.373,"text":"主委 您是總理的單位啦 本事就是跟您說 要不然發生 我們就要來議訪啦但是您覺得說 今天的手法這兩位 這樣可以嗎"},{"start":387.13,"end":402.355,"text":"市長,我已經有表達很清楚的立場,就是說不適合我們的犯罪啦我相信我們立法院,如果真的認真地訴求這個問題國會一定會做出很好的決定啦喔,這是最好啦,不要再像那次這樣,大家都很害怕了市長,我再問一件事好不好好"},{"start":414.452,"end":423.24,"text":"這個未空二二年就中一半的這個高海域電視上去加一個小型的岸鏈公道岸那邊開票開到幾點你覺得呢?那邊一個岸鏈,可是岸是11點40分"},{"start":432.406,"end":451.343,"text":"所以如果有兩個對立的共台灣,那可能就要翻店了可能要到12點半,三案就是要到一、兩點嘛那是客觀的現實,不是我們主觀想要愛或不愛的問題當這個雙擊兵到高層剛才在公佈你的結局的時候整個國際社會也覺得你台灣很奇怪"},{"start":457.571,"end":459.014,"text":"是不是我們拚這件事來發聲我覺得這是我們全機台中央可以做出最好的決定"},{"start":464.974,"end":468.395,"text":"對啦,因為我覺得有問題可以說,我們也感謝今天的教委,會當來這件問題,提來討論,提來說,知道我們的問題一對,要怎麼處理,最要緊啦,以前沒有分,帶一檔的,都說車沒人,車沒人,所以我們才說,給他休一天,跟他去的那天,都中兩天,"},{"start":489.923,"end":493.287,"text":"當然我們一般的負責,我們給他一點錢給他,我們就拜託他來,要三拜託四拜託,他還要做孫悟寧完呢,這犯錯了,各位,我認為這個你"},{"start":510.087,"end":526.76,"text":"最重要的事項,我剛才有說過這裡的條例的前面,我們要一條一條寫的時候,你也要知道,好不好?好,等一下主席,拜託給我一分鐘來請這個主委,我們請健身室主長喂,你好"},{"start":538.084,"end":548.632,"text":"蘇丁,在這個過程當中,我的質詢要時間夠,但是這非常重要,所以我跟我們的署長討論一個,"},{"start":553.019,"end":564.723,"text":"石板明夫他在台中奉派你也很快就在基座找到他現在大家恍恍惚惚說阿強派人來亂社會這很要緊的事實上像那天發生以後未來你有什麼作為嗎"},{"start":579.465,"end":588.831,"text":"好,那到委員報告了,因為10萬元那天,我們很快就在...對,我知道,我們報告後,我們寫了現在這件案件,目前在座,繼續在座,在座偵查當中因為這件案件,看起來就是一個跨境戰略的案件"},{"start":599.818,"end":619.002,"text":"未來對於我們跨境階段我們絕對是依法原辦那對於這些我們保護的對象有做聯繫的管道包括人身住所這些的安全的維護的這些工作這個我們都有完整的來做這樣的一個安全維護的這個措施"},{"start":623.703,"end":625.705,"text":"因為署長本席跟你探討的就是現在要選舉了他會亂選舉的人也不會,我們也不知道但是在這個過程當中,讓人很害怕的"},{"start":639.562,"end":652.355,"text":"我覺得如果我去台,我是住在自由民主的國家的台灣中央民國,我是怎麼可以說我心裡說的話?但是這樣放在台下的時候,是很沒力的,很惡心的這如果聽到他的背後,他是針對中央民國的台灣的白痴來的"},{"start":664.75,"end":674.181,"text":"今年的九一選舉,不管是跨境戰略還是境外借選,這是我們工作的重點,我們一定會做好事市長,我們也要互相勉勵,因為我覺得這是非常重要"},{"start":682.861,"end":693.329,"text":"你如果看他大大大地進來,大大大地要去找外人去,但他是沒有政府的所以你說未來九二一選舉會更加嚴謹,會更加弱弱的時候,我要說什麼事情可能會發生,所以你要去注意"},{"start":706.83,"end":723.228,"text":"因為我覺得這件事是很嚴重的,你如果想,一直在爬,也連天有可能爬,又來爬了,所以我想,要我們的同仁,來講一下,比較積極,比較認真一點,以上"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-16T10:01:39.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:01:50.827000+08:00","text":"主席，請中選會游主委。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-16T10:01:52.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:01:52.510000+08:00","text":"麻煩主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:01:52.510000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T10:02:01.379000+08:00","text":"王委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-16T10:02:01.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:02:01.560000+08:00","text":"主委早。早。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-16T10:02:02.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:02:30.030000+08:00","text":"主委，你說如果有6個公投案可能比較沒辦法做，現在最重要的是，雖然我們的選務人員都陸陸續續報名了，不過聽到這幾天說公投多少又多少案，導致要去幫忙的人很煩惱。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-16T10:02:33.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:02:38.337000+08:00","text":"因為2018年那次，大家都罵辦理選舉的人，不是罵要投票的人，是投票的人罵選務人員。","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-16T10:02:38.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:02:46.123000+08:00","text":"主委，本席要跟你探討，如果已經報名要去幫忙的選務人員，因為聽到這幾天的情況，他們開始害怕，報名之後可以跟你們說不去嗎？","quality":0.509},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-16T10:02:46.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:02:46.483000+08:00","text":"主委回答一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆：有兩點","start":"2026-07-16T10:03:06.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:03:07.819000+08:00","text":"第一點我完全同意王委員剛剛說的，這個問題已經產生了。","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆：有兩點","start":"2026-07-16T10:03:07.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:03:12.341000+08:00","text":"因為不知道未來有多少公投案，所以目前募集選務人員很困難，這增加了困難度。","quality":0.606},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆：有兩點","start":"2026-07-16T10:03:12.742000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:03:15.203000+08:00","text":"至於他如果登記了，現在說他不要去了，這是不是可以？","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆：有兩點","start":"2026-07-16T10:03:27.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:03:31.411000+08:00","text":"我的直覺應該可以，不過我們不希望這情形發生。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-16T10:03:33.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:04:02.303000+08:00","text":"主委，本席跟你探討是因為大家都很擔心，剛剛我們說所有公投案只印在一張紙上，如果有的反對、有的同意，到時候這張紙拿出來唸說：第一案不同意、第二案同意，如果需要查票的時候更是麻煩。","quality":0.62},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:04:02.303000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T10:04:03.303000+08:00","text":"沒辦法查。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-16T10:04:02.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:04:02.603000+08:00","text":"這樣是很麻煩的。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-16T10:04:03.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:04:06.145000+08:00","text":"本席剛剛問的，你回答說最好可以繼續幫忙。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-16T10:04:08.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:04:09.187000+08:00","text":"不過如果有人很擔心，他可以向當地的選舉委員會說他不要去了嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-16T10:04:09.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T10:04:09.327000+08:00","text":"可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"游主任委員盈隆","start":"2026-07-16T10:04: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