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因為丹蘇這個文創園區剛剛你講得非常好就是文資局跟文創園區它本身並不是互相抵制的互相抵制因為這個台中這個酒廠它的特色就是文資那全世界國際人士對台灣的文資還有民眾對台灣的文資保存那個注意越來越高所以我很希望把這個文資園區是以文資為主但是"},{"start":1321.374,"end":1337.786,"text":"不用去想到文資就沒有人沒有人流包括我們的社長文資一定會有一些人流啦社長的內容但是社長的內容可以再帶動更多的社長內容活動人潮來看到文資嘛所以我今天我認為文化"},{"start":1338.922,"end":1365.099,"text":"文資園區目前缺少是一個長期完整的策略我們因為臨近到台中火車站國漫館舊城區相關的文化景點所以它具備文化廊帶一個非常好的條件文化部應該整合整個場館活動參觀動線並導入更專業聚談性的廠商讓整個策展場館的管理機制提升園區還有文化廊帶"},{"start":1365.899,"end":1387.479,"text":"被整個國人看到來到台中文資源區所以我希望在整合這些狼袋的時候有更好的動線更好的內容更好的一些平台所以我要拜託部長你能不能針對台中文資源區就現有的空間使用情形活動規劃營運機制進行完整的盤點並評估專業的策展合作"},{"start":1391.743,"end":1420.086,"text":"來做公司協力或選擇部分的場域事辦營運可不可以回答一下好 這個其實 不瞞您說我們昨天下午我還開了一個會討論這個話題因為我本身在我的文化政策裡面這樣子一個大範圍的文化版圖一直是我本身很想下一步要做的所以我想我會努力來我們就再針對您剛才提到那幾個可能性我很快地做出做出討論"},{"start":1421.006,"end":1438.973,"text":"復興路上文資源區的正面旁邊有一個很大型的一個活動空間以前是方舟在做Live 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審計部113年度中央政府總預算審核報告指出國漫館原規劃113年度的收藏漫畫史料文物圖書史料1200件最後卻因尚未訂定典藏的政策"},{"start":1573.573,"end":1599.819,"text":"典藏委員設置規章典藏的管理作業要點加上沒有典藏的庫房113年度未辦理收藏的作業不立後續典藏作業的推行所以文化部在114年度的施政報告也有提到訂定國漫館籌備漫畫文物收藏的相關要點事項我們要了解今天文化部是否已經完成了審計部的要求請回答"},{"start":1601.052,"end":1628.423,"text":"我想我們籌備處成立之後同時開始進行到一些活動展覽但是同時在剛剛講到漫畫文物收藏這些相關的這個這個器物是同時進行那我人力的確不是很夠所以沒有完成什麼時候要完成什麼時候完成我看我們的我再來問一下人力給時間我想我們在場各位回答漫畫的"},{"start":1630.472,"end":1648.76,"text":"目前因為剛剛提到的那個要點已經正在著手了正在著手了嗎什麼時候要完成來這個部分因為是漫畫博物館主責那我們這個部分來請他們儘快就是審計部的要求到現在都還沒有部長三個月可不可以"},{"start":1652.017,"end":1678.262,"text":"請回答我想因為漫畫館國家漫畫館面臨的包括新的館怎麼蓋然後在籌備處已經開始經營了這個問題蠻多的我想我們來調整整理一下所以三個月可以嗎可以我們典藏的這些史料我們都需要好好的歸類沒有錯所以不能夠再拖了審計部都在講了三個月內好嗎好我想審計部也同時指出文化部原本的興建主管"},{"start":1679.663,"end":1702.861,"text":"這個場館的配置當中展覽的空間只有5.71%典藏的空間9.45%相較之下公共服務其他空間佔27.62%停車場也佔27.29%請問部長公共服務及其他空間具體包括哪些有什麼用途為什麼一座國家級的博物館展覽空間典藏空間看起來如此被壓縮為什麼"},{"start":1705.191,"end":1723.892,"text":"當初我覺得我自己來到文化部之後發現我們的很多餐館的點餐空間都不夠所以當初蓋這個的時候這個新館本身有很多功能都要兼顧到所以展覽空間5.71點餐空間9.45這樣子就是壓縮到了他們的一些展覽空間嘛是不是要檢討"},{"start":1724.753,"end":1741.479,"text":"就我所知文化部的修正計畫已經從114年6月獲得行政院的同意耶新建築場館的規劃設計建造案114年10月已經公開招標想請問修正後的展覽、典藏、研究、教育、公共服務空間有變動嗎?"},{"start":1743.479,"end":1771.692,"text":"這個部分我不是很清楚會後提供資料我也希望你們關注啦因為我現在已經提出了嘛原有的展覽空間5.7點藏空間只有9.45就是壓縮到了嘛所以國漫館目前已經辦理持續的展覽逐步累積民眾的關注我的選區也有許多的民眾肯定國漫館但國漫館要真正成為國家級的博物館不只要好的展覽更具備完整的點藏這空間不能被壓縮研究跟保存能力請"},{"start":1772.512,"end":1796.802,"text":"更積極國漫館已經籌備住這麼久什麼時候才能籌備完成我也希望文化部要多努力國漫館未來的營運要更加加油完整穩健來處理這部分三個月內典藏的部分要給我處理好嗎好謝謝那剛剛展覽空間這個部分你也事後聊幾下回應我具體的數字我不希望整個壓縮空間好不好好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:16:15.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:16:17.167000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-16T11:16:17.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:16:22.512000+08:00","text":"有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:16:23.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:16:23.272000+08:00","text":"羅委員，辛苦了。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:16:24.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:16:24.874000+08:00","text":"部長辛苦了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:16:25.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:16:40.607000+08:00","text":"部長，我們還是要來談論這件事情，您日前在立法院直言TaiwanPlus是災難，事後卻表示當時的道歉只是為了保住預算，甚至說出「叫我說什麼都可以」這樣的言論。","quality":0.817},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:16:40.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:16:52.451000+08:00","text":"我要提醒部長，文化部的預算不是文化部的錢，是民眾每天辛苦工作、納稅，文化部才有這些資源可以運用。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:16:53.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:17:03.894000+08:00","text":"當許多家庭日常的開銷都要精打細算的時候，我們更希望部長不應該用「為了保住預算，叫我說什麼都可以」來輕輕帶過。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:17:06.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:17:22.177000+08:00","text":"這不是幽默，對納稅人來說是一種傲慢，也讓人民會質疑部長在立法院所說的道歉跟承諾究竟有多少是真的、是真心的，又有多少是為了讓預算過關？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:17:22.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:17:33.759000+08:00","text":"這個部分，我還是希望你一定要謹言慎行，一定要注意你所代表的不只是你自己個人的發言，而是整個政府機關、整個部門。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:17:33.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:17:34.579000+08:00","text":"這部分你要不要回應一下？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:17:36.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:18:13.240000+08:00","text":"謝謝指教，在語言方面，因為身分改變，我的確需要在一些描述跟形容詞稍微收斂，而且要修正比較屬於我自己原來身分的……但是我心裡面還是非常急切，想到文策院跟TaiwanPlus所面臨的一些問題，我內心非常急切，想面對它的改變，但是又覺得很多員工那麼努力做，我卻因為語言上的表達，讓他們好像覺得有一點點委屈。","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:18:14.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:18:22.727000+08:00","text":"其實我的初衷都一直強調這兩個單位，對臺灣的文化來講，對臺灣的對外發聲來講，是非常重要的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:18:23.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:18:51.898000+08:00","text":"我來說一件事情，不是因為你說它是災難，就否定掉所有同仁工作的辛勞，或許同仁工作是非常勤奮、非常積極、非常認真的，但是會不會有可能是因為策略上、政策上，或者是我們在想像上有所落差，所以導致我們的同仁這麼認真，卻沒有得到應有的成果？","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:18:52.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:18:53.219000+08:00","text":"有可能啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:18:54.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:19:13.082000+08:00","text":"所以要批評的話，不一定要把同仁也帶進去，我們可以為同仁講話沒有問題，但是作為在野黨，我們要監督的是，我們的政策為什麼花了錢，卻沒有辦法達到我們要的效果，沒有把臺灣、中華民國行銷出去？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:19:15.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:19:21.806000+08:00","text":"再給你一次機會，部長，心直口快沒有關係，你好好再想一下，TaiwanPlus你要怎麼形容它？","quality":0.805},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:19:24.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:19:39.634000+08:00","text":"TaiwanPlus就是在疫情發生的時候，我們覺得Taiwan 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up，我們覺得早晚應該要有這個機構的情況下，我們終於把……","quality":0.57},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:19:40.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:19:41.756000+08:00","text":"這個概念沒有錯，立意是良善的。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:19:41.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:19:45.298000+08:00","text":"對，可是我一直強調那個結構到底要怎麼樣有人才……","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:19:46.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:19:49.702000+08:00","text":"沒錯，錢花了將近百億，結果沒有辦法把它做好，所以……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:19:49.702000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T11:19:50.702000+08:00","text":"沒有到100億，我剛剛有講沒有到那麼多。","quality":0.067},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:19:50.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:19:52.684000+08:00","text":"我問說，你怎麼用形容詞來形容TaiwanPlus？","quality":0.478},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:19:54.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:20:06.235000+08:00","text":"它是一個非常艱困的、在國際打壓之下成立的國際媒體，然後一路走到現在，逐漸走上一個正確的道路。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:20:07.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:20:16.524000+08:00","text":"好，我想你開始在寫文章了，這不是我要的形容詞，但沒關係，就先進入主題，我們來探討一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:20:17.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:20:39.855000+08:00","text":"在今天文化部的報告中有提到，「TaiwanPlus累計總觀看次數突破4.7億次，總觀看時數突破1,129萬小時，社群平臺總追蹤人數達173萬人次，其中海外觀眾占逾9成」，我先來釐清一下相關的數據，這三項數據統計的期間是否完全相同？","quality":0.698},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:20:41.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:20:43.038000+08:00","text":"分別涵蓋了哪些平臺？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:20:45.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:20:49.160000+08:00","text":"是否包含短影音、自動播放、重複觀看？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:20:50.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:20:55.025000+08:00","text":"不同觀看的觀看數字又是依照什麼樣的標準來加總？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:20:55.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:20:55.485000+08:00","text":"可不可以回答我？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:20:57.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:20:57.767000+08:00","text":"我請何執行長回答。請說。謝謝。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:20:57.767000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T11:21:01.748000+08:00","text":"報告委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:21:01.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:21:05.049000+08:00","text":"統計時間是否相同，請問？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:21:05.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:21:12.992000+08:00","text":"統計時間會有一些不一樣，可是它統計的是YT、FB、IG、X等這些頻道。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:21:14.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:21:14.913000+08:00","text":"還有包括X嘛！對。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:21:16.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:21:20.255000+08:00","text":"所以裡面有短影音，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:21:20.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:21:20.635000+08:00","text":"有短影音也有長影音。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:21:20.715000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:21:22.696000+08:00","text":"有自動播放或重複觀看嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:21:22.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:21:23.376000+08:00","text":"有沒有算在一起？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:21:24.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:21:28.418000+08:00","text":"自動播放跟重複觀看這部分，我們必須要去看後臺。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:21:29.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:21:31.399000+08:00","text":"部長，什麼叫做自動播放？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:21:34.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:21:36.202000+08:00","text":"我不太知道這個意思耶！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:21:36.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:21:41.926000+08:00","text":"自動播放有沒有可能是我在看第一篇短影音的時候，我看完了，它自己會往下……","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:21:43.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:21:43.562000+08:00","text":"我請他們說明一下。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:21:44.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:21:52.589000+08:00","text":"有一些流量的演算法是有這樣的機制，剛好就瀏覽到了TaiwanPlus的項目喔！","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"謝代總經理玒玲","start":"2026-07-16T11:21:53.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:22:03.299000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的關切，這個都是用戶的行為，如果他有將自動播放的功能打開，那就會自動播放。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:22:03.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:22:04.119000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝你的回答。謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:22:05+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:22:18.938000+08:00","text":"部長，這個很重要，這就像是假設我今天經過第一家店面，然後順便走過了第二家店面，你告訴我這裡的人潮量很大，但人家是經過而已耶，重點是什麼？","quality":0.803},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:22:18.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:22:33.056000+08:00","text":"有沒有在你的平臺內容上停止他的滑動，然後閱覽你的文化內容超過三秒以上，這是要看後臺的耶！","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:22:33.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:22:50.526000+08:00","text":"再來，重複觀看，如果我滑到了TaiwanPlus，我去上個廁所，回來的時候影片已經播放20次了，因為短影音，可能30秒、50秒，上個廁所回來這個短影音已經重複播放多次，請問自動觀看、重複觀看有沒有計算在裡面，這個也要看你們的後臺啊！","quality":0.653},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:22:51.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:22:56.412000+08:00","text":"所以今天不是單單只給我4.7億次就算了耶！","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:22:58.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:23:05.601000+08:00","text":"請問4.7億次的觀看，有多少是我剛剛講的主動搜尋、主動觀看後自動產生的瀏覽率？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:23:06.742000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:23:07.984000+08:00","text":"這個部分請執行長回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:23:10.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:23:26.301000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們以「Taiwan Talks」為例，它的engagement，就是互動留言，有的時候可以到上千則，然後它的回訪率可以超過七成，這些在YT上都可以看得到，我們後臺上也都可以……","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:23:26.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:23:28.362000+08:00","text":"沒有，我說自動搜尋這個部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:23:28.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:23:29.883000+08:00","text":"自動搜尋的部分，我們再把資料提供……","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:23:31.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:23:32.664000+08:00","text":"所以你後臺要準備數字嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:23:32.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:23:33.284000+08:00","text":"對，再提供給委員。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:23:33.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:23:41.928000+08:00","text":"來，我再請問執行長，有多少是付費行銷這一篇內容給大家來點閱的？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:23:42.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:23:49.912000+08:00","text":"是自動生成讓大家來看的瀏覽率，還是你付費生成出來的瀏覽率？請說。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:23:49.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:23:52.113000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們主要都是自然流量，謝謝。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:23:52.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:24:00.857000+08:00","text":"好，後臺所提供的相關付費的廣告內容可不可以給我們知道一下？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:24:02.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:24:05.644000+08:00","text":"讓我們實際看一下你有沒有真的付費嘛，好不好？是。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:24:06.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:24:06.404000+08:00","text":"可以吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:24:06.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:24:09.446000+08:00","text":"是，我們事後提供資料給委員，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:24:09.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:24:26.357000+08:00","text":"好，兩天內提供後臺數據，包括我剛剛講的，他有沒有停止滑動然後閱覽你的內容超過三秒，包括你有沒有投放廣告，這些數據可不可以給我？","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:24:27.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:24:30.882000+08:00","text":"好，我們兩天內提供，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:24:30.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:24:54.182000+08:00","text":"文化部及TaiwanPlus每年投入多少廣告跟行銷費用，這個部分我想要知道一下，你剛剛說完全是自然流量，但我想要了解，這到底是可歸功於付費生成的觀看次數還是自然生成的，我要了解，平均取得的成本，後續我看到你們的資料後再來做一個定義。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:24:55.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:25:04.450000+08:00","text":"總之，觀看人數的數字能不能直接產生等同於真正的國際影響力？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:25:09.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:25:10.618000+08:00","text":"部長，請回到你的質詢位。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:25:10.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:25:10.638000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:25:13.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:25:28.580000+08:00","text":"之前監察院調查報告也指出，亞洲跟美洲的觀眾占比超過88%，受眾分布高度集中，這與拓展全球市場、提升臺灣國際能見度的政策目標仍有落差。","quality":0.729},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:25:30.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:25:50.359000+08:00","text":"第二，目前觀看次數跟觀看時數呈現成長趨勢，卻未進一步分析觀眾的停留時間、互動情形、回訪率以及不同地區的內容偏好，難以判斷國際觀眾是否真正了解臺灣。","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:25:50.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:25:52.260000+08:00","text":"這是監察院的資料，不是我講的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:25:53.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:26:19.703000+08:00","text":"還有，新聞編採決策權限集中於少數主管，跨國團隊選題標準缺乏共識，國內以及國際的新聞判斷也存在著誤差，甚至曾發生新聞焦點失準的情形，影響TaiwanPlus的專業形象跟公信力。","quality":0.827},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:26:20.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:26:23.726000+08:00","text":"這個部分我要請問文化部目前改善了多少？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:26:24.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:26:28.562000+08:00","text":"我是不是請執行長來回答新聞方面的議題？請說。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:26:31.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:26:57.316000+08:00","text":"報告委員，監察院調查報告提出的意見，我們都已經逐步改善，然後我們現在的外籍員工跟本國員工的比例是本國72%、外籍28%，我們19位播報人員中，超過11位都是本國籍的……","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:26:59.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:27:02.719000+08:00","text":"對不起，我剛剛沒有問你，你的員工是不是本國籍啦！","quality":0.619},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:27:02.719000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T11:27:04.420000+08:00","text":"對，但這會牽涉到……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:27:04.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:27:09.447000+08:00","text":"我剛剛在講是亞洲跟美洲觀眾的占比超過88%耶！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:27:09.447000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T11:27:10.887000+08:00","text":"跟你的員工是哪裡的……","quality":0.111},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:27:10.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:27:34.323000+08:00","text":"我們是以印太為主，我們目前是先以印太市場為主，所以在區域上，亞洲占55%、美洲占34%左右、歐洲占6%左右、大洋洲占3%左右，所以我們是逐步在擴圈，希望逐步增加影響……","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:27:34.524000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:27:36.745000+08:00","text":"我希望你擴圈能達到實際的效果啦！是。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:27:37.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:27:50.337000+08:00","text":"這個數據看起來還是慘不忍睹，跟實際監察院所提出的數據還是一樣嘛，亞洲跟美洲的觀眾占比超過88%，所以這個部分你要檢討，是不是這個占比的比例不對？","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:27:51.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:27:55+08:00","text":"要影響的是更加讓臺灣的國際能見度被提高嘛！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:27:55.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:28:11.448000+08:00","text":"所以我還是要講，不同國家跟地區的觀眾對於哪些內容真正有興趣，你們在分配於實際節目的製作預算上要分配的更好，而不要只限於現有階段，沒有實際將它們拓展出去。","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:28:12.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:28:14.389000+08:00","text":"這個部分你有沒有收到監察院實際的檢討？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:28:16.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:28:18.318000+08:00","text":"我們有收到報告，然後我們也虛心檢討。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:28:18.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:28:21.599000+08:00","text":"我希望你們能就他們的報告好好檢討啦！","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:28:21.599000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T11:28:22.599000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:28:22.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:28:42.208000+08:00","text":"不要給了錢，監察院說你們要改進，不是現在只有我在質詢而已，你們真的應該要好好改進，拿了錢就把它……收到檢討報告後，好好的去做預算的分配，透過不同地區的觀眾，去了解他們喜歡什麼，來投放不同的文化內容，好不好？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:28:42.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:28:45.190000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員，這也是我們努力的方向，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:28:45.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:28:54.537000+08:00","text":"文化部有沒有進行對於整個受眾的調查，了解國際觀眾觀看TaiwanPlus之後究竟記住了臺灣的什麼？","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:28:54.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:28:58.981000+08:00","text":"對臺灣有什麼認識、有什麼關注、有什麼理解，有沒有實質的提升？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:28:59.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:29:03.184000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有去觀察或者是去調查受眾得到了什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:29:04.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:29:11.961000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們每一年都有做滿意度調查，我們去年的滿意度調查是83分，我們分量化跟質化的調查方式，受……","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:29:14.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:29:16.045000+08:00","text":"所得到的數據總共有多少份？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:29:17.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:29:25.112000+08:00","text":"我們今年希望在量化調查部分可以到300個樣本，然後……","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:29:26.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:29:26.793000+08:00","text":"300個樣本？是。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:29:27.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:29:37.663000+08:00","text":"你不要說今年，你說去年得到83分，請回答我，83分的這個滿意度是調查了幾份？","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:29:38.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:29:38.784000+08:00","text":"再回答我一次。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:29:40.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:29:40.570000+08:00","text":"去年是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:29:41.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:29:43.471000+08:00","text":"你要講實際數據，不要灌水喔！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:29:44.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:29:47.553000+08:00","text":"你跟我說今年準備要300份，那麼往年是幾份？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:29:49.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:29:50.634000+08:00","text":"今年我們會做300份。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:29:51.294000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:29:53.995000+08:00","text":"我說之前的，你不要跟我講今年的！","quality":1},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:29:54.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:30:00.837000+08:00","text":"去年是200份左右，不過我要再確認，然後再跟委員報告。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:30:01.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:30:18.186000+08:00","text":"200份達到83分，我隨便丟一個臉書都可以得到200份的數據調查，TaiwanPlus花了數十億人民的血汗錢，你跟我講你做200份的數據調查？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"何執行長國華","start":"2026-07-16T11:30:18.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:30:23.289000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們另外有質化調查，會做深度訪談。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:30:23.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:30:26.651000+08:00","text":"部長，200份會不會太少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:30:28.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:30:38.102000+08:00","text":"我們做民調基本上都一千零六十多份，結果你現在是200份，部長，200份會不會太少？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:30:39.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:30:45.064000+08:00","text":"可能因為是全球調查，所以樣品取得比較困難，當然是比較少啦。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:30:46.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:30:55.246000+08:00","text":"一定比較少，所以你才會說300份，但200份，你敢跟我說有83分的民意，這我沒辦法接受！","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:30:56.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:31:07.579000+08:00","text":"這個部分國人看到也都覺得這樣不對，所以我就在想，你一直跟我講今年要做300份，我就覺得有貓膩，原來往年才做兩百多份。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:31:10.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:31:28.575000+08:00","text":"對於監察院的調查，今天從文化部的報告，我是看不出來有實際、具體的改善，所以我也希望你們真的不要只是虛心檢討監察院對你們的一些建議，而是真正能夠化為、落成新的政策真的實際改善。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:31:29.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:31:38.963000+08:00","text":"因此我要求文化部要提出更完整的績效報告給我們，包括各項數據統計等等，我們要相關流量付費跟自然流量的比例，行銷宣傳的費用我也要知道，付費推廣的單位成本、各平臺平均觀看的時間、完播率、回訪率，以及國際受眾對臺灣認知的變化調查結果，這個我也要知道。","quality":0.396},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:31:39.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:32:02.021000+08:00","text":"你們剛剛只有滿意度調查，有沒有對我們臺灣認知的變化調查？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:32:02.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:32:04.442000+08:00","text":"這個部分我也希望你們事後能夠提供。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:32:05.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:32:28.864000+08:00","text":"文化部不能夠只拿累積觀看數字來交差了事，TaiwanPlus不是證明影片被看見，而是要證明投入了大量公共資源、人民的納稅錢之後，臺灣真的被國際觀眾給認同、被國際觀眾給理解、被國際觀眾給關注，這是我們在乎的事情。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:32:29.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:32:29.908000+08:00","text":"部長，您認同嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:32:31.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:32:53.096000+08:00","text":"我覺得委員本身對網路流量、後臺這些非常熟悉，我非常感謝你剛剛講的那些意見，我覺得TaiwanPlus本來就需要像立法院、監察院的一些指教，我們會努力，但是我剛剛講努力是真的，就是我們會把這些東西整理出來……","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:32:53.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:33:00.822000+08:00","text":"我相信你會努力，但是我要告訴你，你要照這些具體的科學數字方向去邁進，好不好？好。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:33:01.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:33:13.654000+08:00","text":"部長，談到公共資源，文化部在今天的書面報告第16頁有提到，將持續投入更多公共資源，協助文化設施升級，並讓公共資源的運用達到更大的效益。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:33:14.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:33:18.980000+08:00","text":"文化部有五大文創園區，部長應該講得出來是哪五大吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:33:19.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:33:20.299000+08:00","text":"講得出來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:33:20.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:33:21.180000+08:00","text":"好，我不考你。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:33:21.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:33:43.507000+08:00","text":"今天我想請部長關心我們臺中的文資園區，這個園區的前身是臺中的舊酒廠，鄰近臺中火車站，擁有完整的產業遺址，還有相當大的園區空間，本來就有成為中部地區最重要文化地標的條件。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:33:44.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:34:01.074000+08:00","text":"文化資產局目前也設置在園區內，今天楊瓊瓔委員也在現場，他也很關注臺中文化的發展，特別在這邊陪同我，我們一起來關注文化酒廠，也就是現在的臺中文資園區。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:34:01.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:34:25.292000+08:00","text":"以現在臺中市民來說，我們看到臺北的華山文創，大家知道裡面有展覽、表演、電影、品牌活動、假日市集，反觀臺中文資園區，雖然也有展覽、有活動，但是整體的品牌辨識度、活動的密度、民眾日常使用的程度，我認為差很大。","quality":0.989},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:34:27.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:34:52.745000+08:00","text":"這個部分華山透過民間參與模式引進專業團隊長期營運，建立了穩定的策展、招商、品牌、活動量能，而臺中文資園區則是文化部五大園區唯一採公辦公營，由文化資產局直接管理，我認為少了更多的彈性。","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:34:54.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:35:13.119000+08:00","text":"我不是否定現在文化資產局的經營，但是我認為現在的文資局，他們的專業就讓他們自己處理，但是在管理的部分、經營的部分，是不是能夠交給民營來幫忙？","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:35:13.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:35:14.240000+08:00","text":"這部分你怎麼說？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:35:16.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:35:42.731000+08:00","text":"剛剛提到不同的文創園區有不同的發展，我必須承認，我們在講一個文創園區的時候，它也涵蓋四周的一些狀態，會影響這個文創園區的人潮，包括剛剛提到的松菸，是因為有大巨蛋、有鐵博，而華山是因為經營了好幾年以後，它有電影院還有餐廳。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:35:42.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:36:04.571000+08:00","text":"我一直覺得臺中文資園區非常非常重要是因為它坐落在整個臺中的舊城區，在這個舊城區裡面有非常多文化部所投資的，像國家漫畫館還有國家美術館等等，我認為我們的規劃應該是整體的，把這個舊城區整理。","quality":0.7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house，現在已經停擺，好幾年都沒有使用了，這麼好的空間為什麼沒有新的廠商進駐？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:40:08.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:40:14.661000+08:00","text":"是你們的條件太嚴苛，還是大家覺得這裡沒有發展空間，不願意來？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:40:14.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:40:18.187000+08:00","text":"這部分我也希望文資園區院去好好檢討。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:40:18.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:40:21.833000+08:00","text":"我再次強調，同仁很認真，但是策略可以檢討。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:40:21.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:40:22.835000+08:00","text":"好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:40:22.835000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T11:40:24.713000+08:00","text":"這個沒有問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:40:24.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:40:28.716000+08:00","text":"策略檢討了，同仁的認真更可以被看見。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:40:28.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:40:30.477000+08:00","text":"是，文資局的同仁非常非常認真。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:40:31.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:40:39.864000+08:00","text":"剛剛講的是一個大的方向，至於怎麼規劃，我們近日內會繼續討論，而且做出一個具體的結論，好嗎？好。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:40:40.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:41:14.701000+08:00","text":"最後我要特別再提醒部長，我們113年去考察國家漫畫博物館，文化部當時有說，因東側園區多為木造歷史建築，無法設置專業典藏庫房，因此暫時由臺史館和國美館協助典藏，無法設置專業典藏庫房，只好這樣處理，待北側新建的主館完成後，再建置完整的典藏研究空間。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:41:14.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:41:26.744000+08:00","text":"文化部當時預計新館要在2029年完成，本席想請問一下，國漫館所掌握的漫畫文物典藏總數目前有多少？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:41:27.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:41:27.845000+08:00","text":"包含哪些類型？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:41:28.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:41:33.896000+08:00","text":"是漫畫原稿、出版品、圖書資料，還有其他的史料嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:41:35.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:41:37.627000+08:00","text":"這些都有，但是量我沒有辦法回答。我們……","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:41:38.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:42:04.172000+08:00","text":"因為文化部113年度的施政績效報告說，國漫館漫畫文物典藏累積超過1萬5,000件，114年度的施政績效報告則提到有5,680件藏品寄存在國美館典藏庫，那麼其餘九千多件是放在臺史館嗎？是嗎？部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:42:04.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:42:05.713000+08:00","text":"臺灣歷史博物館有。好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:42:06.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:42:34.335000+08:00","text":"另外，審計部113年度中央政府總決算審核報告指出：國漫館原規劃113年度蒐藏漫畫相關史料、文物與圖書資料1,200件，最後卻因尚未訂定典藏政策、典藏委員會設置規章及典藏管理作業要點，加上沒有典藏庫房，致113年度未辦理蒐藏作業，不利後續典藏作業之推行。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:42:35.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:42:44.658000+08:00","text":"文化部在114年度的施政績效報告也有提到要訂定國漫館籌備處漫畫文物蒐藏及相關要點。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:42:45.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:42:49.179000+08:00","text":"所以我們要瞭解，今天文化部是否已經完成審計部的要求？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:42:49.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:42:49.799000+08:00","text":"請回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:42:51.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:43:06.738000+08:00","text":"我們籌備處成立之後，同時開始進行一些活動、展覽，剛剛講到漫畫文物蒐藏這些相關的器物，是同時進行，我們的人力的確不是很夠。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:43:06.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:43:08.419000+08:00","text":"所以沒有完成，那麼什麼時候要完成？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:43:08.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:43:09.479000+08:00","text":"什麼時候完成？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:43:09.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:43:13.041000+08:00","text":"我來問一下我們的人力……","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:43:14.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:43:14.421000+08:00","text":"給我一個時間！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:43:15.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:43:16.062000+08:00","text":"請司長回答。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"鄧司長美容","start":"2026-07-16T11:43:21.933000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:43:25.054000+08:00","text":"剛剛提到的要點已經在著手了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:43:25.294000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:43:25.834000+08:00","text":"正在著手了嘛！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"鄧司長美容","start":"2026-07-16T11:43:25.834000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T11:43:26.834000+08:00","text":"對、對、對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:43:26.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:43:26.715000+08:00","text":"什麼時候要完成？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄧司長美容","start":"2026-07-16T11:43:28.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:43:32.777000+08:00","text":"這個部分因為是漫畫博物館主責，我們會請他們儘快……","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:43:34.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:43:35.738000+08:00","text":"審計部的要求到現在都還沒有做到啦！","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:43:36.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:43:38.740000+08:00","text":"部長，3個月可不可以？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:43:42.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:43:42.157000+08:00","text":"請回答！","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:43:43.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:43:53.799000+08:00","text":"因為國家漫畫館面臨的包括新的館怎麼蓋，然後現在籌備處已經開始經營了，這個問題滿多的，我想我們會來調整、整理一下。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:43:54.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:43:55.279000+08:00","text":"所以3個月可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:43:55.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:43:55.440000+08:00","text":"好，可以。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:43:56.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:43:58.960000+08:00","text":"典藏的這些史料都需要好好地歸類……","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:43:58.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:44:00.180000+08:00","text":"沒有錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:44:00.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:44:01.221000+08:00","text":"所以不能再拖了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:44:01.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:44:04.161000+08:00","text":"審計部都講了，3個月內，好嗎？好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:44:05.441000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:44:26.216000+08:00","text":"審計部同時指出，在國漫館新建場館的配置當中，展覽空間只占5.71%，典藏空間占9.45%，相較之下，公共服務及其他空間占27.62%，停車場也占27.29%，請問部長，公共服務及其他空間具體包括哪些？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:44:27.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:44:27.657000+08:00","text":"有什麼用途？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:44:28.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:44:32.841000+08:00","text":"為什麼一座國家級的博物館，展覽空間和典藏空間看起來如此被壓縮？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:44:32.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:44:32.861000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:44:35.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:44:45.843000+08:00","text":"我來到文化部之後，發現我們很多場館的典藏空間都不夠，所以當初蓋這個新館的時候，很多功能都要兼顧到。對嘛！","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:44:46.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:44:53.552000+08:00","text":"展覽空間占5.71%，典藏空間占9.45%，這樣就是壓縮到展覽空間嘛！","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:44:53.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:44:53.892000+08:00","text":"是不是要檢討？是。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:44:54.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:45:11.479000+08:00","text":"據我所知，文化部的修正計畫已經在114年6月獲得行政院同意，新建主場館的規劃設計監造案114年10月已經公開招標了，想請問修正後的展覽、典藏、研究、教育、公共服務空間有變動嗎？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:45:13.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:45:14.500000+08:00","text":"這個部分我不是很清楚。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:45:15.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:45:17.161000+08:00","text":"會後提供資料，我也希望你能關注啦！好。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:45:18.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:45:23.724000+08:00","text":"因為我現在已經提出原有的展覽空間是5.71%，典藏空間只有9.45%，就是被壓縮到了嘛！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:45:24.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:45:44.373000+08:00","text":"國漫館目前已經在持續辦理展覽，逐步累積民眾的關注，我的選區也有許多民眾肯定國漫館，但國漫館要真正成為國家級的博物館，不只要有好的展覽，更要具備完整的典藏，這個空間不能被壓縮，對研究和保存能力要更積極。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:45:44.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:45:47.254000+08:00","text":"國漫館籌備處已經成立這麼久了，什麼時候才能籌備完成？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:45:47.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:45:48.995000+08:00","text":"我也希望文化部要多努力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:45:49.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:45:53.357000+08:00","text":"國漫館未來的營運要更加油，完整、穩健地來處理。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:45:54.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:45:58.759000+08:00","text":"3個月內要針對典藏的部分給我資料，好嗎？好。謝謝。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:45:59.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:46:02.721000+08:00","text":"剛剛說的展覽空間的部分，事後你也瞭解一下，並且回應我具體的數字。好。","quality":0.633},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-07-16T11:46:03.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:46:05.002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can help，但是我們偏偏是Taiwan cannot speak up，我們覺得早晚應該要有這個機構的情況下，我們終於把……"],["羅委員廷瑋：這個概念沒有錯，立意是良善的。"],["李部長遠：對，可是我一直強調那個結構到底要怎麼樣有人才……"],["羅委員廷瑋：沒錯，錢花了將近百億，結果沒有辦法把它做好，所以……"],["李部長遠：沒有到100億，我剛剛有講沒有到那麼多。"],["羅委員廷瑋：我問說，你怎麼用形容詞來形容TaiwanPlus？"],["李部長遠：它是一個非常艱困的、在國際打壓之下成立的國際媒體，然後一路走到現在，逐漸走上一個正確的道路。"],["羅委員廷瑋：好，我想你開始在寫文章了，這不是我要的形容詞，但沒關係，就先進入主題，我們來探討一下。在今天文化部的報告中有提到，「TaiwanPlus累計總觀看次數突破4.7億次，總觀看時數突破1,129萬小時，社群平臺總追蹤人數達173萬人次，其中海外觀眾占逾9成」，我先來釐清一下相關的數據，這三項數據統計的期間是否完全相同？分別涵蓋了哪些平臺？是否包含短影音、自動播放、重複觀看？不同觀看的觀看數字又是依照什麼樣的標準來加總？可不可以回答我？"],["李部長遠：我請何執行長回答。"],["羅委員廷瑋：請說。"],["李部長遠：謝謝。"],["何執行長國華：報告委員……"],["羅委員廷瑋：統計時間是否相同，請問？"],["何執行長國華：統計時間會有一些不一樣，可是它統計的是YT、FB、IG、X等這些頻道。"],["羅委員廷瑋：還有包括X嘛！"],["何執行長國華：對。"],["羅委員廷瑋：所以裡面有短影音，對不對？"],["何執行長國華：有短影音也有長影音。"],["羅委員廷瑋：有自動播放或重複觀看嗎？有沒有算在一起？"],["何執行長國華：自動播放跟重複觀看這部分，我們必須要去看後臺。"],["羅委員廷瑋：部長，什麼叫做自動播放？"],["李部長遠：我不太知道這個意思耶！"],["羅委員廷瑋：自動播放有沒有可能是我在看第一篇短影音的時候，我看完了，它自己會往下……"],["李部長遠：我請他們說明一下。"],["羅委員廷瑋：有一些流量的演算法是有這樣的機制，剛好就瀏覽到了TaiwanPlus的項目喔！"],["謝代總經理玒玲：謝謝委員的關切，這個都是用戶的行為，如果他有將自動播放的功能打開，那就會自動播放。"],["羅委員廷瑋：好，謝謝你的回答。"],["謝代總經理玒玲：謝謝。"],["羅委員廷瑋：部長，這個很重要，這就像是假設我今天經過第一家店面，然後順便走過了第二家店面，你告訴我這裡的人潮量很大，但人家是經過而已耶，重點是什麼？有沒有在你的平臺內容上停止他的滑動，然後閱覽你的文化內容超過三秒以上，這是要看後臺的耶！","再來，重複觀看，如果我滑到了TaiwanPlus，我去上個廁所，回來的時候影片已經播放20次了，因為短影音，可能30秒、50秒，上個廁所回來這個短影音已經重複播放多次，請問自動觀看、重複觀看有沒有計算在裡面，這個也要看你們的後臺啊！所以今天不是單單只給我4.7億次就算了耶！請問4.7億次的觀看，有多少是我剛剛講的主動搜尋、主動觀看後自動產生的瀏覽率？這個部分請執行長回答。"],["何執行長國華：跟委員報告，我們以「Taiwan Talks」為例，它的engagement，就是互動留言，有的時候可以到上千則，然後它的回訪率可以超過七成，這些在YT上都可以看得到，我們後臺上也都可以……"],["羅委員廷瑋：沒有，我說自動搜尋這個部分。"],["何執行長國華：自動搜尋的部分，我們再把資料提供……"],["羅委員廷瑋：所以你後臺要準備數字嘛！"],["何執行長國華：對，再提供給委員。"],["羅委員廷瑋：來，我再請問執行長，有多少是付費行銷這一篇內容給大家來點閱的？是自動生成讓大家來看的瀏覽率，還是你付費生成出來的瀏覽率？請說。"],["何執行長國華：跟委員報告，我們主要都是自然流量，謝謝。"],["羅委員廷瑋：好，後臺所提供的相關付費的廣告內容可不可以給我們知道一下？讓我們實際看一下你有沒有真的付費嘛，好不好？"],["何執行長國華：是。"],["羅委員廷瑋：可以吧？"],["何執行長國華：是，我們事後提供資料給委員，謝謝。"],["羅委員廷瑋：好，兩天內提供後臺數據，包括我剛剛講的，他有沒有停止滑動然後閱覽你的內容超過三秒，包括你有沒有投放廣告，這些數據可不可以給我？"],["何執行長國華：好，我們兩天內提供，謝謝。"],["羅委員廷瑋：文化部及TaiwanPlus每年投入多少廣告跟行銷費用，這個部分我想要知道一下，你剛剛說完全是自然流量，但我想要了解，這到底是可歸功於付費生成的觀看次數還是自然生成的，我要了解，平均取得的成本，後續我看到你們的資料後再來做一個定義。","總之，觀看人數的數字能不能直接產生等同於真正的國際影響力？部長，請回到你的質詢位。"],["李部長遠：好，謝謝。"],["羅委員廷瑋：之前監察院調查報告也指出，亞洲跟美洲的觀眾占比超過88%，受眾分布高度集中，這與拓展全球市場、提升臺灣國際能見度的政策目標仍有落差。第二，目前觀看次數跟觀看時數呈現成長趨勢，卻未進一步分析觀眾的停留時間、互動情形、回訪率以及不同地區的內容偏好，難以判斷國際觀眾是否真正了解臺灣。這是監察院的資料，不是我講的。還有，新聞編採決策權限集中於少數主管，跨國團隊選題標準缺乏共識，國內以及國際的新聞判斷也存在著誤差，甚至曾發生新聞焦點失準的情形，影響TaiwanPlus的專業形象跟公信力。這個部分我要請問文化部目前改善了多少？"],["李部長遠：我是不是請執行長來回答新聞方面的議題？"],["羅委員廷瑋：請說。"],["何執行長國華：報告委員，監察院調查報告提出的意見，我們都已經逐步改善，然後我們現在的外籍員工跟本國員工的比例是本國72%、外籍28%，我們19位播報人員中，超過11位都是本國籍的……"],["羅委員廷瑋：對不起，我剛剛沒有問你，你的員工是不是本國籍啦！"],["何執行長國華：對，但這會牽涉到……"],["羅委員廷瑋：我剛剛在講是亞洲跟美洲觀眾的占比超過88%耶！跟你的員工是哪裡的……"],["何執行長國華：我們是以印太為主，我們目前是先以印太市場為主，所以在區域上，亞洲占55%、美洲占34%左右、歐洲占6%左右、大洋洲占3%左右，所以我們是逐步在擴圈，希望逐步增加影響……"],["羅委員廷瑋：我希望你擴圈能達到實際的效果啦！"],["何執行長國華：是。"],["羅委員廷瑋：這個數據看起來還是慘不忍睹，跟實際監察院所提出的數據還是一樣嘛，亞洲跟美洲的觀眾占比超過88%，所以這個部分你要檢討，是不是這個占比的比例不對？要影響的是更加讓臺灣的國際能見度被提高嘛！所以我還是要講，不同國家跟地區的觀眾對於哪些內容真正有興趣，你們在分配於實際節目的製作預算上要分配的更好，而不要只限於現有階段，沒有實際將它們拓展出去。這個部分你有沒有收到監察院實際的檢討？"],["何執行長國華：我們有收到報告，然後我們也虛心檢討。"],["羅委員廷瑋：我希望你們能就他們的報告好好檢討啦！"],["何執行長國華：是，謝謝委員。"],["羅委員廷瑋：不要給了錢，監察院說你們要改進，不是現在只有我在質詢而已，你們真的應該要好好改進，拿了錢就把它……收到檢討報告後，好好的去做預算的分配，透過不同地區的觀眾，去了解他們喜歡什麼，來投放不同的文化內容，好不好？"],["何執行長國華：是，謝謝委員，這也是我們努力的方向，謝謝。"],["羅委員廷瑋：文化部有沒有進行對於整個受眾的調查，了解國際觀眾觀看TaiwanPlus之後究竟記住了臺灣的什麼？對臺灣有什麼認識、有什麼關注、有什麼理解，有沒有實質的提升？你們有沒有去觀察或者是去調查受眾得到了什麼？"],["何執行長國華：報告委員，我們每一年都有做滿意度調查，我們去年的滿意度調查是83分，我們分量化跟質化的調查方式，受……"],["羅委員廷瑋：所得到的數據總共有多少份？"],["何執行長國華：我們今年希望在量化調查部分可以到300個樣本，然後……"],["羅委員廷瑋：300個樣本？"],["何執行長國華：是。"],["羅委員廷瑋：你不要說今年，你說去年得到83分，請回答我，83分的這個滿意度是調查了幾份？再回答我一次。"],["何執行長國華：去年是……"],["羅委員廷瑋：你要講實際數據，不要灌水喔！你跟我說今年準備要300份，那麼往年是幾份？"],["何執行長國華：今年我們會做300份。"],["羅委員廷瑋：我說之前的，你不要跟我講今年的！"],["何執行長國華：去年是200份左右，不過我要再確認，然後再跟委員報告。"],["羅委員廷瑋：200份達到83分，我隨便丟一個臉書都可以得到200份的數據調查，TaiwanPlus花了數十億人民的血汗錢，你跟我講你做200份的數據調查？"],["何執行長國華：跟委員報告，我們另外有質化調查，會做深度訪談。"],["羅委員廷瑋：部長，200份會不會太少？我們做民調基本上都一千零六十多份，結果你現在是200份，部長，200份會不會太少？"],["李部長遠：可能因為是全球調查，所以樣品取得比較困難，當然是比較少啦。"],["羅委員廷瑋：一定比較少，所以你才會說300份，但200份，你敢跟我說有83分的民意，這我沒辦法接受！這個部分國人看到也都覺得這樣不對，所以我就在想，你一直跟我講今年要做300份，我就覺得有貓膩，原來往年才做兩百多份。對於監察院的調查，今天從文化部的報告，我是看不出來有實際、具體的改善，所以我也希望你們真的不要只是虛心檢討監察院對你們的一些建議，而是真正能夠化為、落成新的政策真的實際改善。因此我要求文化部要提出更完整的績效報告給我們，包括各項數據統計等等，我們要相關流量付費跟自然流量的比例，行銷宣傳的費用我也要知道，付費推廣的單位成本、各平臺平均觀看的時間、完播率、回訪率，以及國際受眾對臺灣認知的變化調查結果，這個我也要知道。你們剛剛只有滿意度調查，有沒有對我們臺灣認知的變化調查？這個部分我也希望你們事後能夠提供。文化部不能夠只拿累積觀看數字來交差了事，TaiwanPlus不是證明影片被看見，而是要證明投入了大量公共資源、人民的納稅錢之後，臺灣真的被國際觀眾給認同、被國際觀眾給理解、被國際觀眾給關注，這是我們在乎的事情。部長，您認同嗎？"],["李部長遠：我覺得委員本身對網路流量、後臺這些非常熟悉，我非常感謝你剛剛講的那些意見，我覺得TaiwanPlus本來就需要像立法院、監察院的一些指教，我們會努力，但是我剛剛講努力是真的，就是我們會把這些東西整理出來……"],["羅委員廷瑋：我相信你會努力，但是我要告訴你，你要照這些具體的科學數字方向去邁進，好不好？"],["李部長遠：好。"],["羅委員廷瑋：部長，談到公共資源，文化部在今天的書面報告第16頁有提到，將持續投入更多公共資源，協助文化設施升級，並讓公共資源的運用達到更大的效益。文化部有五大文創園區，部長應該講得出來是哪五大吧？"],["李部長遠：講得出來。"],["羅委員廷瑋：好，我不考你。今天我想請部長關心我們臺中的文資園區，這個園區的前身是臺中的舊酒廠，鄰近臺中火車站，擁有完整的產業遺址，還有相當大的園區空間，本來就有成為中部地區最重要文化地標的條件。文化資產局目前也設置在園區內，今天楊瓊瓔委員也在現場，他也很關注臺中文化的發展，特別在這邊陪同我，我們一起來關注文化酒廠，也就是現在的臺中文資園區。","以現在臺中市民來說，我們看到臺北的華山文創，大家知道裡面有展覽、表演、電影、品牌活動、假日市集，反觀臺中文資園區，雖然也有展覽、有活動，但是整體的品牌辨識度、活動的密度、民眾日常使用的程度，我認為差很大。這個部分華山透過民間參與模式引進專業團隊長期營運，建立了穩定的策展、招商、品牌、活動量能，而臺中文資園區則是文化部五大園區唯一採公辦公營，由文化資產局直接管理，我認為少了更多的彈性。我不是否定現在文化資產局的經營，但是我認為現在的文資局，他們的專業就讓他們自己處理，但是在管理的部分、經營的部分，是不是能夠交給民營來幫忙？這部分你怎麼說？"],["李部長遠：剛剛提到不同的文創園區有不同的發展，我必須承認，我們在講一個文創園區的時候，它也涵蓋四周的一些狀態，會影響這個文創園區的人潮，包括剛剛提到的松菸，是因為有大巨蛋、有鐵博，而華山是因為經營了好幾年以後，它有電影院還有餐廳。我一直覺得臺中文資園區非常非常重要是因為它坐落在整個臺中的舊城區，在這個舊城區裡面有非常多文化部所投資的，像國家漫畫館還有國家美術館等等，我認為我們的規劃應該是整體的，把這個舊城區整理。至於剛剛提到要不要開放給民間經營？我想這個我們再來討論一下。"],["羅委員廷瑋：部長，我知道文化部對於臺中文資園區的定位是以文化資產為主，文創為輔。但我認為文化資產跟文創並不應該這樣子，他們沒有互相排斥，反而應該要透過設計展演、數位科技以及餐飲、地方品牌，讓文化資產能夠被看到。所以我不希望他們這樣子的設計，讓人流沒有辦法提升，反而文化資產沒有被看到。你剛剛都講了，我對於整個科技的、數位平臺的後臺很了解，這個部分你不太了解，我們可能有年齡的差距，對吧？早上柯志恩跟葛如鈞分別提出了你的作品，一個是1975年，一個是2016年，他們也有一些年齡上的差距、知識上的落差，對不對？公務人員跟民間人士也有所謂的年齡上的落差、認知上的落差，或者是他們本身對於專業上的落差。我還是再次強調，文資局的同仁很認真，沒有問題，但是有些事情是不是能夠分流，讓其他人來處理？讓專業的民間經營單位來幫忙協助，第一，可以減輕文資局同仁的一些業務；第二，又可以帶入更多的創意、更佳的行銷經營，讓這部分能夠活絡。這部分你到底可不可以考量一下？"],["李部長遠：可以。因為當初這個文創園區……剛剛你講得非常好，就是文資局跟文創園區本身並不是互相抵制，因為臺中這個酒廠的特色就是文資，全世界國際人士對臺灣的文資，還有民眾對臺灣文資保存的注意越來越高，所以我很希望讓這個文資園區是以文資為主，但是不要去想到文資就沒有人流，包括我們的……"],["羅委員廷瑋：文資一定會有一些人流啦！"],["李部長遠：策展的內容還有……"],["羅委員廷瑋：但是策展的內容可以再帶動更多的活動人潮來看到文資。"],["李部長遠：對。"],["羅委員廷瑋：我認為文資園區目前缺少的是一個長期、完整的策略，因為它鄰近臺中火車站、國漫館、舊城區相關的文化景點，所以它具備文化廊帶一個非常好的條件。文化部應該整合整個場館活動、參觀動線，並導入更專業、具彈性的廠商，讓整個策展場館的管理機制提升園區，還有文化廊帶被整個國人看到而來到臺中文資園區。所以我希望在整合這些廊帶的時候，能有更好的動線、更好的內容、更好的一些平臺。因此我要拜託部長，你能不能針對臺中文資園區，就現有的空間使用情形、活動規劃、營運機制進行完整的盤點，並評估專業的策展合作，做公私協力或選擇部分的場域試辦營運？可不可以回答一下？我的問題請直接回答。"],["李部長遠：好，不瞞您說，昨天下午我還開了一個會，就是討論這個話題，因為在我的文化政策裡面，這樣子一個大範圍的文化版圖，一直是我本身下一步很想要做的，所以我想我會努力，再針對您剛才提到的那幾個可能性，我很快地做出討論，好嗎？"],["羅委員廷瑋：復興路上文資園區的正面，旁邊有一個很大型的活動空間。"],["李部長遠：是、對。"],["羅委員廷瑋：以前是「方舟」，在做live house，現在已經停擺，好幾年都沒有使用了，這麼好的空間為什麼沒有新的廠商進駐？是你們的條件太嚴苛，還是大家覺得這裡沒有發展空間，不願意來？這部分我也希望文資園區院去好好檢討。我再次強調，同仁很認真，但是策略可以檢討。好不好？"],["李部長遠：這個沒有問題。"],["羅委員廷瑋：策略檢討了，同仁的認真更可以被看見。"],["李部長遠：是，文資局的同仁非常非常認真。剛剛講的是一個大的方向，至於怎麼規劃，我們近日內會繼續討論，而且做出一個具體的結論，好嗎？"],["羅委員廷瑋：好。","最後我要特別再提醒部長，我們113年去考察國家漫畫博物館，文化部當時有說，因東側園區多為木造歷史建築，無法設置專業典藏庫房，因此暫時由臺史館和國美館協助典藏，無法設置專業典藏庫房，只好這樣處理，待北側新建的主館完成後，再建置完整的典藏研究空間。文化部當時預計新館要在2029年完成，本席想請問一下，國漫館所掌握的漫畫文物典藏總數目前有多少？包含哪些類型？是漫畫原稿、出版品、圖書資料，還有其他的史料嗎？"],["李部長遠：這些都有，但是量我沒有辦法回答。我們……"],["羅委員廷瑋：因為文化部113年度的施政績效報告說，國漫館漫畫文物典藏累積超過1萬5,000件，114年度的施政績效報告則提到有5,680件藏品寄存在國美館典藏庫，那麼其餘九千多件是放在臺史館嗎？是嗎？部長。"],["李部長遠：臺灣歷史博物館有。"],["羅委員廷瑋：好。另外，審計部113年度中央政府總決算審核報告指出：國漫館原規劃113年度蒐藏漫畫相關史料、文物與圖書資料1,200件，最後卻因尚未訂定典藏政策、典藏委員會設置規章及典藏管理作業要點，加上沒有典藏庫房，致113年度未辦理蒐藏作業，不利後續典藏作業之推行。文化部在114年度的施政績效報告也有提到要訂定國漫館籌備處漫畫文物蒐藏及相關要點。所以我們要瞭解，今天文化部是否已經完成審計部的要求？請回答。"],["李部長遠：我們籌備處成立之後，同時開始進行一些活動、展覽，剛剛講到漫畫文物蒐藏這些相關的器物，是同時進行，我們的人力的確不是很夠。"],["羅委員廷瑋：所以沒有完成，那麼什麼時候要完成？"],["李部長遠：什麼時候完成？我來問一下我們的人力……"],["羅委員廷瑋：給我一個時間！"],["李部長遠：請司長回答。"],["鄧司長美容：剛剛提到的要點已經在著手了。"],["羅委員廷瑋：正在著手了嘛！"],["鄧司長美容：對、對、對。"],["羅委員廷瑋：什麼時候要完成？"],["鄧司長美容：這個部分因為是漫畫博物館主責，我們會請他們儘快……"],["羅委員廷瑋：審計部的要求到現在都還沒有做到啦！部長，3個月可不可以？請回答！"],["李部長遠：因為國家漫畫館面臨的包括新的館怎麼蓋，然後現在籌備處已經開始經營了，這個問題滿多的，我想我們會來調整、整理一下。"],["羅委員廷瑋：所以3個月可以嗎？"],["李部長遠：好，可以。"],["羅委員廷瑋：典藏的這些史料都需要好好地歸類……"],["李部長遠：沒有錯。"],["羅委員廷瑋：所以不能再拖了！審計部都講了，3個月內，好嗎？"],["李部長遠：好。"],["羅委員廷瑋：審計部同時指出，在國漫館新建場館的配置當中，展覽空間只占5.71%，典藏空間占9.45%，相較之下，公共服務及其他空間占27.62%，停車場也占27.29%，請問部長，公共服務及其他空間具體包括哪些？有什麼用途？為什麼一座國家級的博物館，展覽空間和典藏空間看起來如此被壓縮？為什麼？"],["李部長遠：我來到文化部之後，發現我們很多場館的典藏空間都不夠，所以當初蓋這個新館的時候，很多功能都要兼顧到。"],["羅委員廷瑋：對嘛！展覽空間占5.71%，典藏空間占9.45%，這樣就是壓縮到展覽空間嘛！是不是要檢討？"],["李部長遠：是。"],["羅委員廷瑋：據我所知，文化部的修正計畫已經在114年6月獲得行政院同意，新建主場館的規劃設計監造案114年10月已經公開招標了，想請問修正後的展覽、典藏、研究、教育、公共服務空間有變動嗎？"],["李部長遠：這個部分我不是很清楚。"],["羅委員廷瑋：會後提供資料，我也希望你能關注啦！"],["李部長遠：好。"],["羅委員廷瑋：因為我現在已經提出原有的展覽空間是5.71%，典藏空間只有9.45%，就是被壓縮到了嘛！國漫館目前已經在持續辦理展覽，逐步累積民眾的關注，我的選區也有許多民眾肯定國漫館，但國漫館要真正成為國家級的博物館，不只要有好的展覽，更要具備完整的典藏，這個空間不能被壓縮，對研究和保存能力要更積極。國漫館籌備處已經成立這麼久了，什麼時候才能籌備完成？我也希望文化部要多努力。國漫館未來的營運要更加油，完整、穩健地來處理。3個月內要針對典藏的部分給我資料，好嗎？"],["李部長遠：好。謝謝。"],["羅委員廷瑋：剛剛說的展覽空間的部分，事後你也瞭解一下，並且回應我具體的數字。"],["李部長遠：好。"],["羅委員廷瑋：我不希望整個空間被壓縮。好不好？"],["李部長遠：好。"],["羅委員廷瑋：謝謝。"],["李部長遠：謝謝委員。"],["主席：請楊瓊瓔委員進行詢答。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":176,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-22-20","speakers":["羅廷瑋","葛如鈞","柯志恩","陳秀寳","葉元之","郭昱晴","陳培瑜","吳沛憶","楊瓊瓔","吳思瑤","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","蔡春綢","許忠信","張雅琳","羅智強","傅崐萁","林宜瑾","謝龍介"],"page_start":105,"meetingDate":["2026-07-16"],"gazette_id":"1156401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1156401_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第20次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請文化部部長李遠列席就「以災難說檢視文化部國際傳播政策執行成效、文化內容投資及公共\n資源運用補助」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1156401_00002"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}