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那個門檻值到底有多高"},{"start":401.559,"end":405.205,"text":"就初步就認定你這就是獨家你這就是獨家可是問題就有一個麻煩你碰到這種狀況你檢察官在辦案的時候你也總不可能說有特意檢測以後"},{"start":416.462,"end":431.852,"text":"不用任何論述 直接起訴法官就按照這個直接判刑下去 不可能嘛那是一個快篩快篩的 你是只快篩而已你覺得你還是要那些紙譜 去做一些他那個尿液還是最後還是要尿液的一個結果這個兩難裡面齁我看這麼多委員問這麼多齁這個是一個發動啦 發動啦但是社會大眾又會認為說快最好不要讓他有漏網之魚"},{"start":446.67,"end":452.218,"text":"碰到這一種 如果到法院去到最後 那個支撲員弄出來說 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我禮拜五我特別去問十個我的朋友 我問他們這毒品你覺得應該怎麼處理他們說關於事 大家都說關於事 說毒品關完以後再治療不用吃了味 都關於就好 關於就好 也就是說我們的社會"},{"start":803.186,"end":820.303,"text":"我們的社會認定的是 重罰跟關他們認為這個是有效的可是全世界的統計各國的統計 除了加強打擊源頭 阻絕以外重刑是一種嚇阻可是最有效的方法"},{"start":821.365,"end":840.435,"text":"反而是吸了毒以後啊當然前端是防治嘛因為毒品的再販率太高啦所以他認為還是要去治療可是我們的社會的文化反而認為這一塊是沒有那麼重要的喔你們碰到兩難的地方在這裡啦所以我一直認為說 啊這邊怎麼給我工資"},{"start":842.361,"end":863.978,"text":"我很怕被人誤解說 你看喔在莊瑞祥中講說我們這個毒品不嚴重嚴重對我們整個社會文化來看的話台灣的毒品還算是嚴重我們當然希望說我們的毒品剩食率不是現在的1啊新加坡是 我們是1.1 1.2新加坡是1 我們希望可以到0.5啊我們可以更低啊社會對毒品的氾濫是零容忍的啊那在這個兩相比較之下我認為啦 我們衛福部這個地方"},{"start":872.525,"end":875.592,"text":"跟法務這裏也能研究一下事實上對於自獨 對於販獨"},{"start":880.57,"end":905.564,"text":"當然是這個沙湖社這個社會一定形成一個共識嘛沒有人會去反對嘛但是我們對於這個再販率這個再販率常常啊這個社會有那麼多毒販吃毒的人喔搞不好差不多再販率都是那一些人這一些人除了運輸除了販賣那個是非常可惡啦那個是對那其他這一類型以外啊"},{"start":906.284,"end":923.444,"text":"當然也有人認為說這是一個病人我們社會就算不把他當成病人但是為了讓整個毒品的危害更降低的話除了重罰以外我看後端這個治療的部分我們政府還是要加強因應好不好好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:38:57.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:38:57.047000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:38:57.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:39:10.476000+08:00","text":"有請法務部鄭部長，還有警政署副署長、衛福部國民健康署副署長，還有食藥署副署長。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T12:39:10.476000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T12:39:16.985000+08:00","text":"請部長，還有三位副署長。","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:39:16.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:39:18.625000+08:00","text":"我先請教鄭部長。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:39:18.625000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T12:39:19.625000+08:00","text":"是，委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:39:18.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:39:28.588000+08:00","text":"部長，我今天本來有很多問題要問，但是我坐在臺下還有後面記者席那邊聽完今天委員的質詢以後，我反而有點感慨有感而發，就是想問一點相關但是好像是對國人有所誤解。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:39:28.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:39:58.798000+08:00","text":"毒品的危害，我相信在臺灣的社會文化裡面，大家非常痛恨，也就是說我們的社會對毒品是零容忍的，不僅政府對毒品危害的態度零容忍，立法院其實也是零容忍，但是這個零容忍，政府跟立法院不太一樣。","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:39:58.798000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:40:12.428000+08:00","text":"社會文化裡面零容忍是大家討厭，然後在立法院裡面，你動不動把它升級到死刑，就變成一種政治上的工具、政治上的宣導，好還是壞？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:40:12.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:40:21.754000+08:00","text":"我不知道，但是符合民粹，也符合民意，但是我要問一個很嚴肅的問題，就是國內的毒品危害到底嚴不嚴重？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:40:22.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:41:02.745000+08:00","text":"以我個人的經歷為限，經歷就是我看過的不是我自己去吸毒，從我30年前當律師，那個時候我來看整個監所裡面所關的，剛開始是百分之十幾、百分之二十幾、百分之三十幾，到我第8屆進來做立委之後，第9、第10、第11屆我去看，曾經監所裡面關押的毒品犯，就是我們常說的菸毒犯超過50%，社會都會覺得好嚴重，監獄裡面也確實是好嚴重，可是這個統計就很怪。","quality":0.752},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:41:03.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:41:08.487000+08:00","text":"聯合國的統計，國際上就毒品盛行率的統計，部長，你知道標準是幾趴嗎？","quality":0.586},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:41:08.487000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T12:41:09.487000+08:00","text":"我不知道這個……","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:41:09.487000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T12:41:10.487000+08:00","text":"你們法務部有人有辦法跟部長說嗎？","quality":0.067},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:41:08.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:41:09.508000+08:00","text":"這個基本是6%啦，6%啦，這個全……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:41:24.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:41:25.291000+08:00","text":"3.16，有那個數目啦……","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:41:25.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:41:29.233000+08:00","text":"當然，全世界來說……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:41:29.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:41:30.054000+08:00","text":"3.16億，全世界。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:41:30.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:41:31.735000+08:00","text":"是啦，我說差不多6%嘛。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:41:32.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:41:52.740000+08:00","text":"在美國來看的話，所謂人口盛行率就是用15歲到64歲的人口來看的話，美國是25%，全世界這算是最嚴重的；澳洲18%；加拿大15%；法國11%；泰國7%，毒品盛行率最低的是哪裡你知不知道？","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:41:52.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:41:53.301000+08:00","text":"新加坡、臺灣、南韓這些國家。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:41:53.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:42:09.056000+08:00","text":"這些國家的毒品盛行率約1%，被國際上就是聯合國組織認為是無毒品的安全國家，但是我們看待自己，因為社會上對毒品零容忍，我們認為臺灣的毒品問題好嚴重、好嚴重，嚴不嚴重？","quality":0.797},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:42:09.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:42:10.137000+08:00","text":"我也認為跟社會文化來做比較的話，盛行率一點多確實還要逐年再降低。","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:42:10.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:42:33.055000+08:00","text":"我也認為嚴重，因為我們社會大眾都認為吸毒很可惡，吸毒之後為非作歹，甚至現在毒駕出去之後撞死人，這個是很弔詭的一件事情啦！","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:42:33.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:43:07.350000+08:00","text":"但是本席在這個地方我要提出來的就是，你看毒品危害防制條例第二條裡面講的，大家最痛恨的、最耳熟能詳的就是海洛因、嗎啡、鴉片、古柯鹼等，去製造、運輸、販賣一級毒品會判處死刑、無期徒刑，罪責很重，但是今天我看很多委員在講的就是毒駕分類，毒駕這個要怎麼去防範。","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:43:07.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:43:12.513000+08:00","text":"現在我看行政院好像你們法務部6月份就已經公告要把這個……","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:43:12.513000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T12:43:14.133000+08:00","text":"依托咪酯改……","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:43:14.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:43:14.834000+08:00","text":"要把依托咪酯弄成一級毒品嘛。","qualit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特別高？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:49:05.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:49:07.380000+08:00","text":"就是吸毒的人你怎麼樣去……戒毒。","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:49:09.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:49:31.887000+08:00","text":"也就是說，我們現在是重罰，但是我們現在是懲罰重於治療，治療這一端如果沒有做加強的話，警察、法務部一直在打擊毒品犯罪，成效還是會打很大、很大的折扣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:49:32.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:49:45.068000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，事實上我們第三期反毒的策略，戒毒是一個很重要的區塊。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:49:45.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:49:45.428000+08:00","text":"那當然。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:49:45.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:51:02.984000+08:00","text":"事實上法務部對於這部分判決確定的或者被查獲的，我們都是全力去推動緩起訴的治療，包括戒癮治療、包括一些社區的處遇，這部分我們已經提升到4成了，本來反毒策略第三期的目標……第二期應該是31%，但是我們現在都到40%了，我們是大力的推動，我們也希望用社區的力量、民間的力量，施用毒品者他有病人的特質，因為吸毒，他腦部的基因改變了，所以他沒辦法克制，因此我們用一些藥物，或者一些心理輔導、諮商，或團體治療的方式去做一個處理，所以我們毒品防制基金也花了很多經費去做這樣的輔導，給NGO團體或者是給我們政府機構、機關來做，全力協助這些吸毒者能夠脫離毒海深淵，但是面對今天的毒駕，可惡的是，吸毒者怎麼會去開車？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:51:03.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:51:22.979000+08:00","text":"關於毒品的盛行率，經過我們努力推行第三期的結果，其實我們的業務報告也有提及，106年那時候毒品新生人口是一萬四千多人，到去年是降到八千多人，事實上，我們毒品的新生人口跟再犯率是持續降低的。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:51:22.979000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T12:51:23.979000+08:00","text":"現在碰到什麼問題？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:51:23.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:51:31.106000+08:00","text":"現在就是因為新興毒品的關係，它取代了傳統的毒品，再加上電子煙才造成這樣的狀況。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:51:32.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:51:38.520000+08:00","text":"我知道部長的意思，我告訴你，我知道今天我會問這個部分，所以禮拜五我特別去問我的10個朋友，我問他們說，你覺得毒品應該要怎麼處理？","quality":0.661},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:51:38.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:51:38.800000+08:00","text":"他說關到死，大家都跟我說關到死。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:51:38.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:51:39.141000+08:00","text":"我說如果吸毒者關完以後再治療？","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:51:39.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:51:39.481000+08:00","text":"他們認為不用、不用、不用，「食了米」，關起來就好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:51:39.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:52:38.255000+08:00","text":"也就是說，我們社會認定的是重罰跟關，他們認為這是有效的，可是全世界的統計、各國的統計是，除了加強打擊、源頭阻絕以外，重刑是一種嚇阻，可是最有效的方法反而是吸了毒以後，當然前端是防制，因為毒品的再犯率太高了，所以他認為還是要去治療，可是我們社會的文化反而認為這一塊是沒有那麼重要的，你們碰到兩難的地方是在這裡，所以我一直認為這個部分如何能夠讓它再降低？","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:52:40.361000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:52:45.305000+08:00","text":"我很怕被人誤解說，你看莊瑞雄說我們的毒品問題不嚴重。嚴重！","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:52:46.306000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:52:59.856000+08:00","text":"對我們整個社會文化來看的話，臺灣的毒品問題還算是嚴重，我們當然希望我們的毒品盛行率不是現在的1%，我們是1.1%、1.2%，新加坡是1%，我們希望可以到0.5%，甚至可以更低。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:53:00.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:53:20.531000+08:00","text":"社會對毒品的犯案是零容忍的，兩相比較之下，我認為衛福部跟法務部也可以再研究一下，對於製毒、對於販毒，當然這個是殺無赦……","quality":0.755},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:53:20.531000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T12:53:21.531000+08:00","text":"要重判。","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:53:21.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:53:39.081000+08:00","text":"這個社會一定有形成一個共識，沒有人會去反對，但是我們對於再犯率的部分，社會上有那麼多毒販，吸毒的人到最後，差不多再犯的都是那一些人、這一些人，除了運輸、除了販賣……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:53:39.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:53:39.982000+08:00","text":"那個是非常可惡啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:53:41.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:54:01.404000+08:00","text":"對，那其他的、這一類型以外，聯合國認為這是一個病人，我們社會就算不把他當病人，但是為了讓整個毒品的危害更降低的話，除了重罰以外，後端治療的部分，政府還是要加強因應，好不好？是。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-06-08T12:54:01.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:54:01.444000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T12:54:01.944000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T12:54:03.372571+08:00","text":"謝謝莊委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T12:54:03.672571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T12:54:09.672571+08:00","text":"接下來是林楚茵委員、林楚茵委員，林楚茵委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T12:54:09.972571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T12:54:15.972571+08:00","text":"今天所有登記發言的委員都已發言完畢，詢答結束。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T12:54:16.272571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T12:54:26.558286+08:00","text":"委員質詢時要求提供相關資料或以書面答復者，請相關機關儘速送交個別委員及本會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T12:54:26.858286+08:00","guess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