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對 你告訴我多久時間我們才能夠真正討論出一個方向出來"},{"start":837.742,"end":857.457,"text":"好 我跟市長商量一下他說三個月其實不用太擔心因為那個我們一起來活絡讓這個地方讓全世界的人來享受台中之美沒錯沒錯我們很希望台灣人有這種走到哪裡都有看到文化版圖的這個環境 謝謝好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:46:22.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:46:36.740000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請邀請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-16T11:46:36.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:46:36.981000+08:00","text":"有請部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:46:45.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:46:45.438000+08:00","text":"楊委員，你好。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:46:46.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:46:46.519000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:46:48.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:46:58.368000+08:00","text":"文化是國家一個很重要的軟實力，文化傳播更是國家安全的一環。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:46:58.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:47:32.096000+08:00","text":"我們看到政府最近幾年來投入大量預算來推展文化黑潮計畫、TaiwanaPlus、文策院、影視音補助、出版翻譯、國際書展、國際影展等政策，目的就是希望讓臺灣被世界看到，但我們要反問的是，投入那麼多錢，到底世界看見多少臺灣？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:47:32.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:47:32.956000+08:00","text":"請做說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:47:35.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:48:09.960000+08:00","text":"世界看到多少臺灣是隨著臺灣本身最近因為科技方面使得臺灣的知名度跟著很高，我們文化部其實在文化外交上面，這兩、三年非常努力地去配合當時在世界某個地方有很大型的活動，譬如說巴黎奧運，或者在日本大阪有世界博覽會，我們藉由他們具有很大影響力的活動，投資一筆錢，在那邊做表演。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:48:10.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:48:26.589000+08:00","text":"所以您剛剛講的不只是曝光，還有到底我們產生多少影響力，那就回到我們在選擇上面，我們到底要推哪些表演團體、我們要出什麼書、我們有什麼電影，到底對世界有什麼影響力？","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:48:27.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:48:40.153000+08:00","text":"它的確是一個我們文化部在選擇上要確定我們要選擇哪一類的文化展演藝術到國外去，但是我個人覺得，這個影響力越來越大。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:48:40.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:48:53.677000+08:00","text":"譬如說我們想都沒辦法想像臺灣的文學可以在這個時候得到全世界最大的獎，像楊双子的臺灣漫遊錄得到國際布克獎，它已經接近諾貝爾獎了。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:48:54.097000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:49:03+08:00","text":"所以當我們臺灣的文化快速往前走的時候，甚至我們政府的政策都要趕快修正，因為它走得比我們想像中還快。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:49:03.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:49:14.865000+08:00","text":"所以這幾年我覺得在文化政策上面不斷累積到現在大家所看到的，臺灣的文化的確會成為一個國際上比較重視的現象。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:49:18.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:49:30.374000+08:00","text":"給您將近1分半的時間來說明，因為大家都在問，到底目前文化部所投入的這些錢讓世界看到多少臺灣，你直接把本席的提問做為你的答案。","quality":0.807},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:49:30.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:49:36.180000+08:00","text":"也就是說，到底我們在世界上的影響力有多大。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:49:36.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:49:46.865000+08:00","text":"當然，剛剛你提到也看到一些面向，包括搭上了AI，不知道你搭上的成效到底是如何；你也搭上運動賽事。","quality":0.791},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:49:48.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:49:55.888000+08:00","text":"但是在文化部本身的本質上面，到底我們的國際傳播有多少成效？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:49:56.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:50:00.551000+08:00","text":"你的文化內容投資是不是真正有效能？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:50:01.312000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:50:05.175000+08:00","text":"在整個公共資源的補助，你是不是公平透明？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:50:06.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:50:16.245000+08:00","text":"這是民眾所需要知道的，也請你再說明，因為你剛剛也特別說到，在你取決方向的時候，到底要怎麼樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:50:16.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:50:16.265000+08:00","text":"這是關鍵，請說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:50:20.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:50:35.110000+08:00","text":"是，早期我自己因為經歷了很長一段臺灣對於文化的重視，譬如對電影、對文學、對表演，其實早期臺灣對文化是有點誤會的，它必須要……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:50:35.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:50:39.532000+08:00","text":"請告訴我，現在你以文化部長的身分要怎麼去推動？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:50:43.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:51:01.767000+08:00","text":"剛才委員提了很多方向，包括提到文策院、提到文化黑潮，提到影視音補助、出版翻譯，其實這每一件計畫都經過了大概10年以上的累積，每一次累積都會成為一個讓國際上看到更清楚的臺灣……","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:51:02.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:51:05.268000+08:00","text":"好，你說是10年的累積，我們就繼續來看。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:51:05.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:51:15.371000+08:00","text":"文化部每一年編列了不少的國際傳播預算，包括TaiwanPlus、文策院、國際市場的拓寬、國際出版翻譯、國際影展等。","quality":0.529},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:51:16.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:51:21.759000+08:00","text":"請教部長，在文化部的立場，你是如何去衡量這個成效？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:51:23.161000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:51:31.072000+08:00","text":"請問是活動的場次、是新聞的篇數、是點閱率，還是提升臺灣文化的品質？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:51:31.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:51:31.372000+08:00","text":"請說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:51:33.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:51:54.289000+08:00","text":"如果用KPI來看的話，我覺得它不完全是我們推出了多少翻譯的書，我們推出去參加多少影展，我們不是用這個來看，我們真的是要創造讓國際講到臺灣，臺灣的文化是什麼，它的主體性是什麼，要創造這樣子一個國際的印象……","quality":0.989},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:51:54.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:52:11.993000+08:00","text":"還好你的回答不是只有這些，不是只有辦活動，不是只有剪影片，不是只有買廣告，它不代表真正讓國際的人能夠認識臺灣，這是你的回答，也是本席要跟你再討論的。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:52:12.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:52:15.213000+08:00","text":"所以你要建立怎麼樣的一個機制？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:52:15.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:52:30.319000+08:00","text":"是國際品牌的知名度、海外觀眾的成長率、海外授權的收入、國際合作案、國際媒體引用率的量化指標，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:52:32.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:52:33.502000+08:00","text":"還是只有預算的執行？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:52:33.502000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T11:52:35.863000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:52:35.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:52:38.846000+08:00","text":"如果不是預算的執行，那麼是不是剛剛本席所說的這些呢？","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:52:38.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:52:46.828000+08:00","text":"我來文化部之後，我最不贊成就是把預算花掉，然後沒有看到結果。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:52:47.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:53:15.091000+08:00","text":"我希望文化產業是彼此相關的，它是相當跨領域的，所以我很希望我們部門的每一筆預算都可以跟其他部門做某種結合，比如你的影視計畫可能要跟公共廣播集團合作，你其他的出版漫畫要跟文策院合作，它是一個合作起來一起向國際推廣的，就像文學，它也不可能是一個人文出版社，它一定要……","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:53:15.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:53:16.151000+08:00","text":"它是一個合作……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:53:16.151000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T11:53:17.391000+08:00","text":"它是一個合作。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:53:17.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:53:20.752000+08:00","text":"因此你的量化指標更要讓民眾清楚。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:53:20.752000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T11:53:24.153000+08:00","text":"它的量化指標有各式各樣。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:53:24.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:53:56.377000+08:00","text":"所以你要讓民眾在搜尋的時候，他非常清楚我們投入的這些錢到底影響度是怎麼樣，因為世界接軌，不只是臺灣，我們自己走向國際的國家，世界各國也會進到臺灣，你必須要有這一些量化的指標，讓人民可以很清楚的知道，這才是人民要的，投資了這麼多錢，到底我們的影響度是怎麼樣？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:53:57.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:54:05.124000+08:00","text":"因此我應該建議你，除了量化的指標讓人民搜尋會非常清楚之外，你更應該要建立的是什麼呢？","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:54:05.524000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:54:53.693000+08:00","text":"IP的授權、國際發行、在平臺合作以及海外收益的部分，你必須要去做一個整合的工作，這才是你在國際能見度要怎麼樣讓我們文化的內容，在你選項之後，可以真正發展到世界各國去，它才有影響度，它不是只有能見度，也不是只有按讚率是多少，我們要的是它的影響度，到底是多少、到底是什麼，這個才是人民納稅錢投資了那麼多，文化部可以告訴民眾，你在國際的影響度是怎麼樣，因為文化是非常堅強的一個外交實力，對不對？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:54:55.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:55:27.067000+08:00","text":"是，今年8月1日，在空軍總部那個地方，我們終於整個大致修完了，我們8月1日就開始有一個文化博覽會，在文化博覽會裡面的所有展出，就是剛才委員講到的，IP也好，動畫也好，VR也好，書籍也好，你可以看到我們臺灣經過這麼長的一段累積，怎麼樣完成文化創意產業的一個面貌，我希望委員8月1日之後找個時間來看看我們的展覽。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:55:27.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:55:30.288000+08:00","text":"所以資源的公平性非常重要。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:55:30.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:55:43.076000+08:00","text":"本席要請教，你補助案件之後，有多少是真正完成海外上映、海外出版、海外授權、國際串流平臺的合作？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:55:43.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:55:45.938000+08:00","text":"你有沒有完善的追蹤？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:55:47.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:55:58.526000+08:00","text":"剛剛委員講的每一個項目，在我們每一個部門都清清楚楚有一個數字，比如你剛才講有多少的書翻譯出去，每一本書有幾個國家翻譯，包括……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:55:59.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:56:01.629000+08:00","text":"請你把這些數字提供給本席。好。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:56:02.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:56:17.900000+08:00","text":"因為這也影響到你到底要怎麼補助，你要判斷是要繼續補助，還是一次性的補助，這關係到資源分配的問題，所以請你把書面資料給本席。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:56:19.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:56:49.046000+08:00","text":"當然外界也有這個聲音，怕你只補助給特定團體或者是特定的項下你要如何確保在補助方面，沒有形成資源集中，比如大型的團隊、中小型的創作、青年創作者，或者是地方團體能夠取得政府資源的比例？","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:56:50.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:56:50.246000+08:00","text":"請回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:56:51.742000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:56:59.984000+08:00","text":"剛剛委員講了幾個關鍵，其實就是我們文化部目前很努力想要把人民的納稅錢放在最對的地方。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:57:01.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:57:29.275000+08:00","text":"剛剛委員提到一件事情，大概一直覺得我們的擺放過度集中在某一個項目或者有特定的人，我可以跟委員保證，其實我本身還沒有來這邊工作之前，我就是文化部很多項目的評審，其實臺灣走到民主社會以後，非常難得的，現在我們政府機構所有補助的評審，政府都不能干預，這個我可以保證，也就是我們做到行政中立。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:57:29.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:57:43.362000+08:00","text":"行政中立非常重要的一點，就是讓民間真正的專業人士走進政府部門替他選擇，替他選擇哪一些是好的、哪些是值得投資的，政府部門不會把手伸進去。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:57:44.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:57:53.886000+08:00","text":"當把這一切交給專業之後，他就會越做越好，就會看到更好的文學作品、更好的電影、更好的表演團體。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:57:53.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:57:57.208000+08:00","text":"我們在過程中，如果不公平的話，他就越做越差。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:57:57.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:58:02.690000+08:00","text":"好，部長，就你這一句，這也不是我個人的意見如何，而是坊間有這個疑慮。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:58:04.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:58:11.696000+08:00","text":"你剛剛所說的，一定要達到你落實的動作，因為我們要讓世界看見臺灣。","quality":0.586},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:58:12.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:58:27.907000+08:00","text":"文化內容創造整個產業的價值，公共資源公平透明，並且讓每一分的預算都能夠讓全民檢視，這也是文化部必須要做的，我們希望要努力之。","quality":0.702},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:58:28.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:58:34.251000+08:00","text":"同時，剛剛索要相關的資料，也請儘速給本席，我們繼續討論。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:58:34.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:59:06.062000+08:00","text":"最後一個議題，也就是剛剛召委一直在跟你討論的，不管是菸廠，你的五大園區，不管是我們臺中的酒廠，這一些都是我們臺灣非常重要的資產，這一些資產的活化，如果沒有讓人民甚至世界各國的朋友能夠進入我們的園區，那麼也達不到我們真正所要的效率跟效能。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:59:07.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:59:15.166000+08:00","text":"因為這個地方是我們臺中很重要的一個資產，你不能一直把它擺在那邊，你必須要把它活化。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:59:15.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:59:22.869000+08:00","text":"一直努力到現在，我們要怎麼樣加入元素進來，以文化資產為重點？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:59:22.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:59:30.271000+08:00","text":"本席具體建議，我們既然達成共識，我們必須要起而力行，部長必須設一個專案討論，可以達到嗎？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:59:37.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:59:41.145000+08:00","text":"你立即啟動專案討論，才能夠真正有動作、有效能啊！","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:59:41.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:59:49.510000+08:00","text":"是，我剛剛已經回答，其實我們連昨天晚上都還在討論這個題目，所以委員不用擔心，我們再儘快提出一個……","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:59:49.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:59:50.811000+08:00","text":"儘快大概多久時間會提出？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T11:59:50.811000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T11:59:52.512000+08:00","text":"是的，沒問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:59:52.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:59:54.873000+08:00","text":"給我一個時間，好嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:59:54.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T11:59:55.694000+08:00","text":"儘快是多久會提出？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T11:59:57.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T12:00:04.119000+08:00","text":"因為周邊的環境太好了，我們的因子都非常成功，國漫館等都在附近。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T12:00:04.119000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T12:00:05.460000+08:00","text":"我知道，您剛才講到……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T12:00:05.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T12:00:06.883000+08:00","text":"所以它是一個串聯的平臺，請告訴我們多久的時間？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T12:00:06.883000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-16T12:00:07.883000+08:00","text":"因為它涉及到旁邊相關的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T12:00:07.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T12:00:08.365000+08:00","text":"沒關係，你告訴我多久的時間，我們才能夠真正討論出一個方向。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T12:00:20.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T12:00:22.744000+08:00","text":"我跟司長商量一下，他說三個月。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-07-16T12:00:22.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-16T12:00:23.065000+08:00","text":"好，三個月……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-07-16T12:00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……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：沒關係，你告訴我多久的時間，我們才能夠真正討論出一個方向。"],["李部長遠：我跟司長商量一下，他說三個月。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：好，三個月……"],["李部長遠：其實不用太擔心，因為……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：具體提出你們的構想跟方案，好嗎？"],["李部長遠：好，可以。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：我們一起來活絡，讓全世界的人來享受臺中之美，謝謝。"],["李部長遠：沒錯，我們很希望臺灣人有這種走到哪裡都看到文化版圖的環境，謝謝。"],["主席（羅委員廷瑋）：謝謝楊瓊瓔委員。謝謝部長。","有請吳思瑤委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":176,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-22-20","speakers":["羅廷瑋","葛如鈞","柯志恩","陳秀寳","葉元之","郭昱晴","陳培瑜","吳沛憶","楊瓊瓔","吳思瑤","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","蔡春綢","許忠信","張雅琳","羅智強","傅崐萁","林宜瑾","謝龍介"],"page_start":105,"meetingDate":["2026-07-16"],"gazette_id":"1156401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1156401_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第20次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請文化部部長李遠列席就「以災難說檢視文化部國際傳播政策執行成效、文化內容投資及公共\n資源運用補助」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1156401_00002"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}