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沒有這個案項沒有被納入我們國防特別條例當中被刪除的部分我們行政院認為有可能會影響到我們國防戰力的缺口也會影響到國內產業的自主發展所以我們考慮三個補救方案 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重要的啟發。關於這次院版所要籌購的項目，包括監偵、攻擊型無人機結合其他武器裝備的配合上，以及自殺無人艇部署單位和運用規劃上，對於國軍的作戰需求有什麼樣的急迫性？這部分是不是請部長也簡要說明一下？"],["顧部長立雄：我想我們在報告裡面有提到，主要就是分成一個是中國的灰色地帶襲擾，對於這個灰色地帶的襲擾，我想無人載具可以結合我們現有各式雷達系統，有效實行海空域監控、重要設施警戒跟外離島的巡查任務，強化情監偵的效能，也降低人力跟裝備的負擔。如果說再進一步威脅升高的話，無人載具就可以快速部署在關鍵區域，去監控跟預警共軍的活動，也協助指揮官掌握戰場的動態，縮短部隊應變的時間，加速各項應處作為。尤其我們的防衛作戰有涉及到他整個要大舉入侵的時候，一定要在水面進行渡海，這個部分我想在整個船團航渡到登陸的階段，無人機可以發揮相當大的效果，還有無人艇也可以發揮相當大的擊殺效果，這個部分是我們認為有迫切需求的原因。"],["陳委員俊宇：好，這部分我希望國防部能夠持續跟相關部會結合我們國內產業及學研的能量，加速建構完整的無人載具生態系，提升我們國軍不對稱作戰能力及我們的防衛韌性，轉化為守護我們國家安全最主要的能量，這個部分要請部長跟相關的單位能夠積極辦理。"],["顧部長立雄：是，國防部會努力。"],["陳委員俊宇：好，謝謝部長。"],["顧部長立雄：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳俊宇委員。","接下來請沈伯洋委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":104,"meet_id":"聯席會議-11-5-19,35,20-1","speakers":["洪毓祥","林楚茵","林沛祥","王安祥","陳亭妃","賴士葆","邱議瑩","賴瑞隆","林岱樺","鄭天財Sra 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