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農業保險等具有高度的整合與制度的韌性這也是國際間非常難能可貴的案例在制度化的農民參與跟政策協調平台有效提升政策的落實的效率以及也確保我們所有的農民的福祉"},{"start":3138.203,"end":3151.053,"text":"所以這樣的模式在國際間也具有可借鏡的治理經驗表示在整個在農村的發展上面農業的制度推動上其實在國際政策的交流與合作也有很好的基石"},{"start":3152.386,"end":3169.818,"text":"那第二個是在貿易的促進那本部透過不管是在資商談判或者是在雙邊多邊的管道積極輔導我們的外銷業者以及農民拓展優良農產品到歐美日韓等高所得高消費的新興市場強化我們的海外佈局"},{"start":3170.518,"end":3199.357,"text":"那近年開放新的市場的成果包括在去年113年我國鳳梨獲准出口到紐西蘭在6月紅肉種的紅龍果也准許輸出到日本10月也有新加坡同意我們的生鮮豬肉出口11月我們的龍虎斑也准許到日本那這四項都陸續有出口的時機那在今年我們的豬皮與豬內臟獲得菲律賓開放可以輸入另外歐盟也准我們的芒果跟番石榴"},{"start":3200.137,"end":3221.695,"text":"那雖然不幸在日前發生了國內發生非洲豬瘟案例但是經過15天的高強度的防疫策略我們目前並沒有發現其他的案例一場所以我們會持續強化防疫工作那也因為其他各國也有認可我們的整個獸醫服務體系所以經過積極爭取我們的加熱豬肉目前還是可以出口到日本跟新加坡"},{"start":3222.615,"end":3239.787,"text":"至於漁業合作及漁產品的市場供應部分遠洋漁業近五年的平均的年產量大概都是49萬公噸年產值大概有323億台幣所以作為作業船隻目前維持大概有1000艘我們是遍及三大海洋的"},{"start":3243.691,"end":3257.527,"text":"漁業強國所以我們的漁船為了維護我們的漁船在各大洋區的作業權益我們積極參與各區域性的漁業管理組織也積極參與國際的一些相關合作事務特別透過APEC我們做計畫的共同提案人"},{"start":3258.803,"end":3280.141,"text":"提供漁業資料以及分享管理現況我們也積極參加我們沿海國的一些入漁或租漁的漁業合作這為我們的漁船擴大作業的空間同時也為沿海國帶來經濟效益所以也可以鞏固我們跟拓展跟邦漁也有一些十分正面的效果所以114年我國援揚漁船與19個國家的449艘次有漁業合作關係"},{"start":3286.306,"end":3304.711,"text":"那第三個在技術合作的部分近年來是透過智慧農業的部分智慧農業的物聯網農業物聯網計畫雲世代的數位轉型跟晶片創新等四個計畫對於農業的智慧化及數位化轉型也有一些投入科研跟相當成果"},{"start":3305.231,"end":3326.922,"text":"所以跟經濟部 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請黃秘書長謝謝委員我們最近名額的增加是兩方面剛剛部長有解釋過是一個是邦交國的需求的增加另外是我們主動有提出一些協調那目前的計畫我們在執行上我們是希望說將來這種實習生的實習的期間還可以再更加的延長"},{"start":6432.651,"end":6452.393,"text":"延長之後我們希望可以達到像我們外交替代役目前的成果外交替代役已經形成了我們國會外派人員將近三分之一的人力而且我們的主管包括團長跟計劃經理團長占三分之一是這個外交替代役的背景"},{"start":6453.513,"end":6479.921,"text":"計劃經理也有四分之一這些主管所以我們如果在期間上面可以加以延長培養一些人才不只在國和會事實上他們很多人之後都考進外交部經濟部還有我們現在的農業部也是進到政府來服務所以我們希望可以延長他們的期間另外我們會形成一個比較大的平台"},{"start":6481.201,"end":6487.876,"text":"把這些人把它聚集在一起有一個繼續學習的一個平台好 謝謝米蘇"},{"start":6488.935,"end":6514.388,"text":"不管是我們台灣的青年或是海外進行交流的相關服務未來有機會培養出更多的這些色外的工作人才或是友邦的這些青年能夠回到家鄉去貢獻他們所學在台灣所感受到的情感未來能夠作為促進我們跟其他國家雙邊關係的一個"},{"start":6517.742,"end":6530.79,"text":"那我想這是我們未來在推動相關外交工作上的一個重點也請我們外交部跟相關單位能夠持續的來為我們這部分注入更多的心力好 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時間的關係因為我們想要知道的是過去參加環太平洋軍演其實我們一直希望可以參與不過這一次因為剛好參眾兩院已經講得比較強烈他們甚至要求說如果沒有邀請我們去參與他必須要說明理由我們想要知道"},{"start":6707.318,"end":6716.943,"text":"我們的駐美的這個管處他掌握到什麼程度或者更簡單的可以請教部長國軍可以獲得美軍邀請的機率有多少這樣比較快"},{"start":6718.519,"end":6739.139,"text":"這是當然你問我認為他邀我的機率我們當然希望他按照通過了這個參議院的這個就是我們講的這個國防授權法案的參眾兩院通過的國防授權法案的決議自己怎麼做比較好因為這個也涉及到他們行政部門"},{"start":6740.18,"end":6749.308,"text":"我們當然是希望能夠有機會參加在正式參加之前也有很多怎麼樣去大家能夠有交流合作的機會能夠開始"},{"start":6751.65,"end":6755.512,"text":"部長我們為什麼會這麼問是因為特別因為我們每次都一直在美化說國防授權法對我們非常好然後在不管武器裝備的出售就是同意多少軍售尤其像這一次就是環太平洋軍演的這個部分我們如果說我們一直都說我們的關係一直有進展我們都非常好"},{"start":6775.2,"end":6802.47,"text":"然後甚至我們也邀請非常多的國會議員也都到台灣來其實他們到現在在台灣的那個機率也非常高可是我們要的是實質的因為外交有很多我們付出了所有相關的這些努力以後我們希望要實質對我們有幫助的不會像是那個我們駐美的大使余大磊其實我們現在整個國防支出不斷地在增加當中"},{"start":6803.75,"end":6817.405,"text":"駐美大使余大磊曾經對媒體說台灣為了展現抵禦侵略的決心花多少錢都不是問題這是外交部授權給余大使對外說的嗎說花多少錢都不是問題這是授權給他說的嗎"},{"start":6820.031,"end":6832.195,"text":"因為他有前後文我有詳細去看過他前後文是什麼可以這麼說台灣要展現自我防衛的能力即使展現自我防衛的能力你要的也是要有效的一個武器裝備所以不是說幾趴幾趴的問題而是說我們怎麼樣能夠有防衛台灣的能力需要的軍購這樣來談而不是所謂一定要是幾趴幾趴的問題"},{"start":6844.175,"end":6869.309,"text":"不是幾%對我們都非常重要今天如果我是說我的理解他的講法不是說我們不能理解他的想法因為他對外的任何一句話或者他要用到我們國內所有相關的資源其實他都必須要做深切的考量因為他不是一般人他是駐美代表所以這一句話由他講出來他必須要負擔這樣的責任今天如果說我們環太平洋軍演"},{"start":6870.37,"end":6873.772,"text":"參眾兩院都已經這麼高度的支持我們也沒有辦法讓美國的行政單位可以美國政府可以做這樣的邀請那他的效益其實沒有實質的幫助所以不是你說我們花多少錢都沒有問題我想要請教部長如果我們不斷的增加我們國防預算甚至如果我們高達一兆以上現在已經是囉我們明年9500億的預算再加上"},{"start":6896.826,"end":6918.397,"text":"一千多億的特別預算已經高達一兆一千多億如果這樣的預算已經在我們總預算三塊錢就一塊錢花在國防上這樣子的部分你必須犧牲掉的是什麼我們今天未還也在這裡我們的農業也在這裡我們有很多包括我們的社會福利包括我們的醫療包括我們的基礎建設這些我們的"},{"start":6920.658,"end":6928.301,"text":"能夠相對的支出越來越少的情況之下我請教部長如果我們的軍費增加到這麼高以後外交部的預算把它減下來可不可以不可以為什麼你們大家每個都說不可以衛福不可以嗎我們所有的醫療我們所有的衛生我們所有的相關的這些福利我們可以減少我們的預算嗎"},{"start":6944.483,"end":6966.826,"text":"因為我們太多重要的民生業務也不可以農業部剛剛在現在去哪裡農業部我們台灣也是一個農業非常發達的國家我們有很多農民要照顧我們有很多農業政策如果我們刪減我們的農業預算你覺得可以嗎委員最支持台灣農業了所以應該不會刪減"},{"start":6968.027,"end":6973.789,"text":"不會嗎好 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借個幾分鐘高市早苗"},{"start":8222.128,"end":8240.293,"text":"他是在日本其實是最重要的委員會日本國會的預算委員會是日本國會議員最重視的這個委員會NHK實況轉播這個委員會國會議員要提問不像我們這樣急問急答喔是要先把問題提出來內閣交給各"},{"start":8243.294,"end":8264.051,"text":"各這個內閣的部門的常任事務官擬達之後由內閣首相或者相關的官員審視之後才來這邊回答所以日本的國會議員最重視的其實是就是這個預算委員會那高市早苗在這裡面對的所謂的安全事態的詢問"},{"start":8265.572,"end":8290.609,"text":"那高市早苗回答的是台灣如果面對中國的武力侵犯包含了可能的這個封鎖等等那最差的狀況有可能會影響他講的是有可能影響到日本的純利事態也是我們講的存亡那接下來他就會根據他們的憲法他的主詞是用日本跟自衛隊跟安倍講不一樣安倍的主詞是美國"},{"start":8291.71,"end":8309.243,"text":"跟日本他這個主持是日本跟日本自衛隊呢這個有權號發動集體自衛權那這個是他的大概比較完整的一個論述那這個論述呢坊間討論很多我就不贅述了目前為止日本因為對台灣安全的重視"},{"start":8310.802,"end":8337.84,"text":"那引起了中國的文攻武嚇加經濟制裁你知道我看到中國現在對日本做的事情我差點以為中國要逼日本承認它是中國的一部分就是我不買你的這個我黃海演習然後怎麼樣子好像要逼日本承認它是中國一部分中國的羅馬布就是這樣你身為我們國家的外交部長對於日本國這件事情我們國家對高市內閣的態度是什麼"},{"start":8338.991,"end":8358.959,"text":"我想高市爪苗首相他自己說到他言所當言那當然他的身份一定是要遵守他們的法律的規定他也講了一些情境之下所以他並沒有要收回那當然至於說有人不高興那怎麼去處理"},{"start":8360.539,"end":8384.875,"text":"避免身高衝突那這個是另外一件事情那我們台灣對日本的支持這又是另外一個事情我們事實上日本是基於自己的國家的利益尤其是安全他去思考跟對外去說包括不管是政策法令或者是聲明裡面提到台灣有事就是日本有事也就是日美安保有事"},{"start":8385.535,"end":8411.11,"text":"所以這裡面涉及到一個美國的角色不是日本單方面的行為其實是這個區域的安全網絡啦那中國對台灣一再的霸凌你講的文攻武嚇經濟脅迫無所不用其極嘛然後前一陣子用在菲律賓嘛也一樣啊也是官方課程學生什麼都不行現在用在日本嘛所以問題在中國嘛所以是不是誰有事沒事是中國在找事啊那找事就找理由那我們要好好的去管理中國"},{"start":8412.091,"end":8437.589,"text":"我們跟美日非理念相近國家要好好的管理避免中國擦槍走火我們是當作一個危機預防至於他在很多的行動上我們也要了解實況是如何你對日方政府有沒有什麼樣的代表我國政府因為外交部就是國家的發言人我們是支持高斯坦首相他的政策他的印太戰略"},{"start":8439.997,"end":8442.325,"text":"以及他對於這個我們"},{"start":8445.267,"end":8465.516,"text":"第一島鏈 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澳洲讓我們的水果往那邊銷售對所以有自由的鳳梨啦這些都跑出來當時的川普的國務卿也吃鳳梨酥啊等等那後來澳洲"},{"start":8605.757,"end":8627.557,"text":"因為因為得罪中國他的葡萄啦紅酒那台灣我們也產生同樣態度去買紅酒所以這一次中國這種蠻恨流氓的行徑我覺得我們身為好朋友而且人家怎麼對我們人家給我們一口我們贏人一刀啦這是我們台灣人的天性所以我請我們國人啊"},{"start":8628.751,"end":8637.039,"text":"多去日本旅遊 然後多購買日本的產品來表示我們台日的友好好 謝謝 謝謝部長好 謝謝我們待會兒在林楚英委員質詢完畢以後休息五分鐘現在請沈伯陽委員上台質詢"},{"start":8663.628,"end":8690.878,"text":"謝謝主席有請部長謝謝請部長部長好委員好因為最近剛好比較多時事剛好王委員其實也有問到就是說好像是今天你在受訪的時候就有提到就是現在中國去禁止日本的這一些水產品等等之類的你說我們在外交上面會有一些支持是不是可以再次說明一下是"},{"start":8691.826,"end":8717.92,"text":"因為日本現在對應該講說中國現在對日本的行為都過去發生在對台灣嘛包括文攻武嚇經濟脅迫各種霸凌的行為那現在也發生在我們的邻邦先是菲律賓現在又是日本所以中共就是麻煩製造者他想要藉由一些事情啊來去不管建軍備戰或轉移國內的焦點或是能夠跟未來"},{"start":8719.2,"end":8741.02,"text":"美國這個討價還價那這個時候當然政府該做政府的那我也呼籲我們的國人可以以行動來支持日本特別是高斯藻苗首相因為他的印太戰略或他的這個所謂的台灣有事就是日本有事就是日美安保有事這個是持續性的"},{"start":8742.121,"end":8765.419,"text":"他在那個內容講話其實也是很周延只是說當然有人會斷章取義那我覺得所謂他說的不對的話他說的誠實的話他也沒有要收回所以我想這個事情也不是中共單方面可以無限上綱的他想要藉由這個事情去找事情"},{"start":8766.56,"end":8794.671,"text":"那我們要共同來管理因為稍微不慎他因為他現在是今年是所謂的三個八十年嘛抗日成功八十年然後這個二戰結束成立聯合國八十年然後所謂光復台灣的八十年所以他今年就是民族主義年他就是要動員愛國主義所以這個時候呢我們要很小心的去因應但是也不用太過去被他做認知作戰比如說所謂一開始就是演習在黃海"},{"start":8795.771,"end":8807.177,"text":"如果地圖上你去看那個就是它的岸邊那規模很小 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Event這邊做更多的宣傳讓世界上更多的國家跟友邦了解我們其實有做了更多他們應該其實可以在WHO裡面跟大家分享合作的案子"},{"start":9313.987,"end":9329.577,"text":"謝謝市長因為這個友邦的遊說當然很重要他們的發聲很重要然後再接下來就是我們周邊這些NGO的幫忙但最後我們專業的突出是最重要的因為只有這個樣子他們才會有那個立即說好那我們必須要讓台灣進來那再拜託就是彼此合作我們也希望能夠明年能夠還有這個機會"},{"start":9330.818,"end":9354.421,"text":"謝謝委員 我們當然也再補充一下就是說其實我們有很多國際的專業團體不論是國際的護理師的學會或者是醫師公會 牙醫師公會甚至我們的醫學生的相關的協會他們也都積極的參與這些國際的專業組織這是另外一個在專業立場上面讓各個專業組織了解台灣其實應該是我們講的台灣可以幫助跟台灣可以幫助很重要的另外一個途徑"},{"start":9355.693,"end":9366.362,"text":"謝謝部長 謝謝市長有一些問題我就下次再問謝謝主席 謝謝接下來請林楚英委員上台質詢謝謝主席 主席有請部長請部長"},{"start":9386.092,"end":9399.236,"text":"我也好部長好我想再延續剛剛有關於日本高四早苗這個說到的台灣有事就是日本有事的部分剛剛前面兩位委員都已經問到了但是我比較想實際的從合作的角度因為就像您剛剛講的希望我們都能夠展現就是日本挺台灣那台灣也要挺日本當然我知道現在很多的這些媒體上那麼很多具有影響力的這個網紅等等他們都講了"},{"start":9415.281,"end":9441.152,"text":"這個反正剛好領了一萬大家可以到日本去消費這個中國這個要這個中國的人民不要去日本旅遊那台灣人民呢就去買包日本 採包日本但是除此之外我認為啦更多的合作可以從政府的角度出發包括其實這一次高市早苗在APEC跟林心儀代表見面的時候也說到了就是希望台日在人工智慧又或者是數位貿易當中可以有機會合作"},{"start":9443.433,"end":9465.633,"text":"那當然我們知道人工智慧可能包括這個貿易的部分可能是經濟部或者是數位部但是我特別研究了一下就是其實我們也有這所謂國際合作的發展的這個所謂國和會那麼國和會裡頭包括呢它其實是有所謂基金的投融資的部分言下之意這個部分它其實我有請這個國和會列出了"},{"start":9466.354,"end":9481.785,"text":"今年也就是115年度要執行的計畫當然有一些海外志工團的服務啦那麼有友好國家的醫事人員的訓練啊等等但是在這個部分裡頭也有另外一個部分是有關於基金投融資的部分"},{"start":9482.145,"end":9501.698,"text":"包括我們透過這個方式來做國際的合作因為我們都知道中國的所謂一帶一路在他面對所謂的這個經濟合作所謂的合作但是其實上是經濟的入侵或者是建設的入侵的時候他可以掌控這個國家的"},{"start":9502.438,"end":9517.226,"text":"相關的政治從經濟去轉化成政治的影響力那在這個部分當然我們不可能跟中國在比金錢遊戲我們從來也不玩這一套但是正向的合作跟發展的部分我覺得還是可以思考因為我知道"},{"start":9518.146,"end":9542.139,"text":"在國和會的這個相關的合作當中我們當然是站在一種已開發的國家對於其他國家的經濟援助或者是產業上面的合作或者是農業 經貿甚至於醫療上面的合作但是有沒有可能在我們國和會的基金投融資的部分我們有機會跟日本像這樣子對我們友善的國家來做其他的合作那麼有沒有這方面的思考"},{"start":9542.879,"end":9570.805,"text":"有 我們跟日本有將近100個合作的備忘錄跟協議那我們12月初台日也會召開年度性的經貿會議另外就是第三國市場委員會比如說我們現在有所謂台飛經濟走廊要對接旅送經濟走廊旅送經濟走廊就是美日飛三邊他們的元首宣布的一個計畫所以怎麼樣到第三地去合作那日本你剛剛提到"},{"start":9571.866,"end":9591.725,"text":"這個高斯藻苗首相也談到了包括不管是人工智慧半導體 能源 太空或其他的這些跟數位有關的合作我們都有在做進一步的研究能夠跟他找到合作的項目那我們台日之間也有經過"},{"start":9594.788,"end":9610.214,"text":"對方也做了很多調查知道我們哪些企業是可以做他的夥伴一起到新南向國家那有關於台日的合作我們的榮邦計畫也包括那榮邦計畫有三個支柱科技 資金跟人才科技就找出台日可以合作或互補"},{"start":9610.894,"end":9639.38,"text":"甚至到第三地資金就是您提到的包括國和會未來的這一個我們除了過去援外以外以投資的角度跟日本的JECA來對接再來就是人才尤其是這個能力建構這樣的一些人才的培育也是其中要去執行非常重要那是不是我請我們國和會秘書長簡單說一下他去過日本那最近我們在亞營歐營很多國家也跟他們都有很多合作的項目"},{"start":9639.48,"end":9652.397,"text":"我覺得這個報告很重要有關說我們接下來115年當中的預算當中我們是不是有機會跟日本做更進一步的合作因為我都認為合作投資其實那個關係才是緊密的"},{"start":9652.95,"end":9669.598,"text":"感謝委員 目前我們跟日本的JICA在菲律賓已經有合作計畫我們在加勒比海還有一些地方也有對接那是哪一部分的合作 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失控就是他們的駐大阪的總領事薛健所以這個其實火上加油那也因為這個是完全違反外交的這個基本的原則涉及到這一種"},{"start":10805.796,"end":10819.197,"text":"非常粗暴而且甚至是有鼓勵犯罪所謂的斬首論這種話所以這個也是必須要被檢驗的所以我是覺得這件事情怎麼樣去"},{"start":10820.509,"end":10838.941,"text":"把局面穩定下來我們也要呼籲中共方面也要克制那我們跟日本還有各個理念相近國家尤其是鄰近國家共同來處理好中共可能的反應避免影響了整個包括台海的和平穩定以及第一島鏈的這個情勢"},{"start":10842.079,"end":10861.084,"text":"不知道其實我們簡單來講那是符合日本政府大概一貫的對他們安全的這個方向大概是不變的那我們也希望藉著這個場域來說明說我們是希望維持現狀我們希望預防衝突那任何預防衝突的可能性我們必須當然就是要透過這樣子的合作"},{"start":10861.884,"end":10877.809,"text":"這一次從他們提到日本有事之後我們也看到中方把他們的觀光客武器化把他們的貿易武器化包含他們要禁止日本的水產品來進入他們的市場等等我想這些都是要提醒我們所有的民眾中方會用"},{"start":10879.289,"end":10896.961,"text":"各種的用經濟的手段來去干預一些國家的內政那也會用經濟的手段來去影響這些國家如果不站照他們的框架去走如果不按照他們的意識跟政見去走的話可能就會受到傷害所以為了要維持我們的經濟安全"},{"start":10897.441,"end":10925.014,"text":"我們可能跟日方甚至包含跟韓國來共同來去思考有什麼樣的安全保障的架構特別先從經濟安全上面來講因為我們不能夠把所有的貨品產品聚焦在單一國家如果聚焦在單一國家的話如果他們把它貿易武器化的話我們就看到類似的狀況出現包含稀土也是包含農水產品也是包含觀光客也是這些我想因為我們現在是總和外交我們當然要跟各個不同的部門一起來統合"},{"start":10926.254,"end":10954.433,"text":"這部分我也必須要談到在這個總和外交裡面農業上面的政策上面的交換是非常重要的最近這幾次我們去訪日的時候也有跟農業相關的這一些官員們或者是這一些國會議員們都有交換意見特別是針對我們最近的一些非洲豬瘟跟這種大型的傳染病等等他們在怎麼樣把他們的蓄產業全面性的用飼料來去餵養的這種做法"},{"start":10955.594,"end":10975.027,"text":"這種經驗傳承跟分享我認為這就是很適合我們的農業部來去做意見交換的也就是說未來台日之間的外交不僅僅是在安全我知道安全上面的議題大家很願意去談戰略上面的議題大家很願意去談但其實他們在一些細部上面的政策層次上面的應用比方說他們基本上他們的組織的這一個飼養"},{"start":10978.268,"end":10997.673,"text":"96%是用這一個飼料 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日方來也可以會不會部長簡單的回應一下我非常認同委員的這個主張事實上我過去"},{"start":11207.296,"end":11220.202,"text":"擔任這個國安會諮詢委員那時候二十幾年前我們就是在推動這個高校生休業旅行現在也看到開發結果一年都超過五萬人以上那獎學金的話這個留學生雙向怎麼樣再增加更多的預算跟原額我在當交通部長的時候我那時候還鼓勵就是說大家"},{"start":11230.206,"end":11255.351,"text":"日本人來的這些年輕的所謂的畢業旅行或者是他們講的休業旅行能夠往中南部那我們也跟高鐵所謂的假期的那種票結合因為有一些不是尖峰時間然後把時速郵購型整合讓他可以往台灣的南部走這個也曾經我們在推動那現在在外交部就是我們有非常多"},{"start":11256.252,"end":11266.924,"text":"這一個人才的交流包括青年大使 農業大使等等這一個其實在跟日本方面現在也是有在增加這一個整個我們的計畫"},{"start":11269.144,"end":11285.281,"text":"的能量所以委員提到的沒有錯台灣不是只有台北然後因為他們考慮到到南部去可能交通的費用我們怎麼樣來減少他的負擔另外就是讓台灣的這個社團像四大社團像福倫社他們都是很國際性的也可能扮演一些接待家庭這個整體配合起來之後"},{"start":11287.483,"end":11298.209,"text":"一個年輕人他到了一個國家他影響他一輩子他的家人親友他的同事都會對台灣開始了解產生了後續非常豐富可能他對他一生對社會的一個很好的成果"},{"start":11306.994,"end":11328.479,"text":"非常感謝部長最後一小點補充一下跟農業有相關的那包含我們在新港的一個文教基金會那其實日方有來也來體驗我們的田間文化就直接下田去或者是做採果這樣子的方式那他們的這些年輕的同學們進來也可以體會到我們的農業那我認為這個東西就是總和外交的一部分我們過去可能在"},{"start":11329.76,"end":11343.49,"text":"這種質詢的範圍上面都是偏傳統外交或者是價值外交那已經遠遠沒有辦法面對21世紀的挑戰那圖用價值它沒有辦法驅動一切那由商業為導向那總和外交為導向我覺得還是一個比較好的方向 謝謝接下來請徐巧欣委員上台質詢"},{"start":11359.071,"end":11360.479,"text":"謝謝主席 我們有請林佳龍林部長請林部長"},{"start":11369.674,"end":11389.208,"text":"部長早 今天基本上大家都非常關注日本首相高市早苗關於台灣有事 日本也有事的說法我想要問一下 日本他們在首相發言之後因為也引發了中日之間的一些外交上面的衝突"},{"start":11389.668,"end":11406.102,"text":"那當然這個當事人之一是我們台灣嘛因為畢竟這個是談到了台灣之後才出現了這個中日的這個衝突的升溫那我想要問的是日方有沒有針對這件事情那有向台灣這邊的外交部好像您這裡來做溝通"},{"start":11407.871,"end":11432.973,"text":"有 我們不管我們駐日本的我們的代表處或者是跟他們的外務省之間都有對這個事情有交換意見那在這個意見上面的交換我們雙方是有做出什麼樣的一個表達或者是在這個互信互動上面有什麼樣的一個態度能夠跟我們現在大眾來做一個進一步的說明"},{"start":11434.575,"end":11454.18,"text":"陳儒高市早苗首相他講他言所當言那他講了也不會收回但是因為講了這個話可能有一些引起的反應這個也要好好去因應嘛尤其是中共的反應那這一點當然我們作為理念相近國家之間也都會溝通"},{"start":11455.08,"end":11469.135,"text":"所以是日方這裡的這個代表向台灣方面有談到就是說呢即便這句話不會收回但他們對於中國大陸這邊呢還是會去再向他們做進一步的溝通是這個意思嗎是 所以"},{"start":11470.396,"end":11492.824,"text":"日本政府 他們外務省也派了代表有到北京但目前看起來並不是很順利的狀況之下但是這個行動本身就代表一個善意嘛對 派人去了嘛 要去跟他溝通不想讓這個事情因為誤會或失控是 所以說在這個部分上面日方跟台灣這邊也有進行一些互動他們當然也會讓我們知道我們當然也呼籲吧 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他那個邏輯是因為有日美安保條約而美國跟台灣又有台灣關係法某種準同盟的關係好了所以這個當中共對台灣有軍事行動會影響到周邊國家包括日本菲律賓那美國怎麼反應會牽動日本的反應"},{"start":11611.606,"end":11631.332,"text":"他的架構是這樣子所以前半段說台灣有事就是日本有事其他下半段就是日美安保有事日美安保條約之後下一個就是台灣跟美國還有台灣跟日本之間的關係他是分成好幾段然後呢這個間接的串聯在一起的我們都知道"},{"start":11631.832,"end":11652.847,"text":"那我今天要問的事情是說安保法的危機事件有三種樣態第三種就是一些類似台灣有事日本有事其他還有包括可能日中之間直接有事啊可能美國跟中國之間也發生了一些有事啊所以這個當然台灣都會受影響不要講說純粹的軍事經濟安全各方面都會影響我先問軍事等一下會問你經濟嘛因為它是一層一層來的嘛"},{"start":11659.232,"end":11673.382,"text":"所以我的意思就是說如果今天中日雙方的衝突升高到軍事的層級的話那台灣這裡從外交的角度來說您會建議採取同等的軍事行動手段嗎"},{"start":11674.475,"end":11686.883,"text":"這不一樣的我們當然基於台灣的國家的安全的考量去做因應那當然因為第一島鏈都是彼此連動的啦連動歸連動但是比如說我跟委員講台灣的北邊就是宮古海峽那南邊就是巴西海峽我舉個另外一個例子來講以釣魚台來說那中日台三方我們的意見就不一樣"},{"start":11697.29,"end":11710.994,"text":"所以並不是說只要在第一島鏈上面所有的意見都是一致的很難講像是比如說我們在南海或東海來講的話其實也不見得大家的想法是一致的是既合作又有競爭的關係這個其實是比較正確的說法只是說兩岸之間的關係尤為特殊對不對"},{"start":11717.897,"end":11729.947,"text":"所以我剛聽懂您的意思了另外就是我們會透過外交的方式與包含日本形成一個聯盟來共同對抗中國大陸嗎我們並沒有所謂的條約或集體安全的這個架構目前我知道沒有這個架構未來會不會有這樣的規劃"},{"start":11741.874,"end":11757.96,"text":"目前就是大家因為第一島鏈某種程度是一個戰場只要哪個地方發生軍事的衝突都會連帶影響周邊的國家連帶影響跟有沒有要出來協助是兩回事我們國家利益去做因應"},{"start":11759.22,"end":11781.434,"text":"我們第一個當然就是我們跟美國有台灣關係法六項保證這個是一種比較準同盟的關係至於我們跟日本跟菲律賓是沒有這樣的一個制度的安排所以我要問的問題就是這個就是說我們因為高市早苗首相的這一番話那也掀起了中日的風波在這個突發的事件之後"},{"start":11782.475,"end":11799.327,"text":"台日之間有沒有可能會組成另外的一個聯盟採取對抗中國大陸無論是從經濟或外交的手段上面去進一步的聯合作戰這樣子的一個情況目前沒有這樣的一個制度性的安排"},{"start":11799.987,"end":11817.663,"text":"我只是說因為很多的關係會連動但是也不是零和的就是說我們現在其實我跟委員報告日本跟中國日本跟台灣的關係也可以是平行也可以是有互相交集美國跟中國美國跟台灣的關係也可以平行也可以有一些連動的交集所以這個是很複雜又涉及到我們在印太的第一島鏈沒有集體安全的條約"},{"start":11824.388,"end":11849.962,"text":"就看雙邊的條約對嘛如果有的話我就不需要問這個問題就是因為沒有然後又發生了這個事件所以我才會問說那未來台日之間會不會有形成一個更明確的同盟關係或者是就是維持目前的現狀而已比剛才柯爺這個在問高知早苗的時候更假設性我一定會問一些假設性的問題因為這個scenario"},{"start":11853.204,"end":11881.273,"text":"沒有 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