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Help，因為明年是在紐西蘭舉辦，我們希望這個模式能夠以正向的方式持續下去，有一些共同的倡議，包括我剛剛提到的斐濟或帛琉的例子、包括吐瓦魯海纜的延伸，還有我們在其他地方的技術團，所以我們的醫療、教育，還包括能源，這次用榮邦特展的方式來呈現。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-07-22T09:24:32.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:24:42.258182+08:00","text":"另外我們也會透過各種雙邊會議來進行，這是PIF的部分，對我們來講，這可以說是參與太平洋事務最重要的國際組織。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"陳委員俊宇","start":"2026-07-22T09:24:42.630476+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:24:46.249524+08:00","text":"這次的峰會有沒有可能是部長率團參與？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-07-22T09:24:46.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:25:02.940000+08:00","text":"因為這涉及一些我們跟中共在這方面……因為它是緊迫盯人，已經在施壓，所以我們的安排目前就沒有對外說明，等到大會期間，自然就會呈現。謝謝。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"陳委員俊宇","start":"2026-07-22T09:25:03.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:25:03.940000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-07-22T09:25:04.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:25:05.190000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T09:25:05.690000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T09:25:09.404286+08:00","text":"接下來請羅美玲委員上臺質詢。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":71,"blocks":[["陳委員俊宇：（9時15分）謝謝主席。有請佳龍部長。"],["主席：請部長。"],["陳委員俊宇：部長早。"],["林部長佳龍：早。"],["陳委員俊宇：部長，今天想就印太地區的幾個議題跟部長請教。首先是南太平洋的巴布亞紐幾內亞（巴紐）在上週7月15日逕行宣布關閉我們的代表處，我想外交部當然不會接受巴紐政府這個片面決定，也會持續透過管道進行交涉，必要時也會採取因應作為。我們不確定這件事情發生之前是否有什麼樣的徵兆，但我們往前去看近期的相關事件，在前一週，中國有向南太平洋試射彈道飛彈，澳洲和巴紐為了共同防禦所簽署的條約也在當週生效，我想這不排除有美國、中國和澳洲在其中角力的因素，對於巴紐在這個時候採取這樣的作為，我們掌握到什麼樣的原因？目前交涉的情形如何？除了檢視我們的天然氣採購之外，會不會考慮暫停國合會在巴紐進行的相關計畫？這個部分是不是請部長說明一下？"],["林部長佳龍：報告委員，這個事情其實在我擔任外交部長之後，就有接到巴紐想要關閉我們代表處的訊息，中間也曾要求改名，我們也在持續交涉中，所以他們的內閣有做出一個決定，就是會以2年時間來進行對臺灣和巴紐關係的檢討，這是他們內閣會議的決議，也還在檢討中。在這個過程我們當然做過很多努力，也讓巴紐知道我們是對他們天然氣的採購大國。另外，在這個期間，因為先前中國在簽訂安全協定的這些國家（包括索羅門群島）派軍方的人進駐，假安全之名在進行軍事擴張，引起周邊國家的關注，包括澳洲。這個時候我們當然一起跟這些友盟持續在協調，包括我們參加太平洋島國論壇，去年這些所謂的發展夥伴都沒有被邀請。這個情勢就是，在巴紐方面據我們的瞭解，是他們的外交部長個人以突襲的方式，雖然是在不斷交涉中，但是他有個人的利益，其實他們內閣中的專業外交官有不同的意見，周邊友盟也都持續在表達關切。對於這件事情，我們第一時間就進行交涉，也跟友盟進行溝通，尋求他們的聲援，美國國務院也公開表達對這件事情的關切，也認為這個行為是再次破壞臺灣和全球夥伴發展關係的例證。我們除了爭取時間持續交涉，當然也在檢討跟巴紐的各方關係，希望可以進一步讓這件事情有轉圜的空間。"],["陳委員俊宇：除了巴紐的案例之外，我們有沒有注意到接下來中共會不會持續在南太平洋尋求相關的突破？譬如透過個別國家進行施壓，要求他們重申一中原則，並且向相關國家進行不同的突破。我們瞭解，中國一向有在南太平洋擴張的企圖，剛剛部長報告時也有大概說明一下，巴紐宣布關閉我們外館的前一天，中國也和索羅門群島外長進行會談，中方承諾要推動中索新時代全面戰略夥伴關係，但是從6月份的資料來看，索羅門群島新任總理要求重新審視對中國的密約，也在倡議一項太平洋區域安全條例，要排除中國介入，甚至近期還將允諾美國海巡隊能夠巡邏，顯示中、美、澳仍然在南太平洋存有戰略上的競爭關係。就這個部分，部長觀察和評估太平洋島國對中國的立場政策有沒有什麼樣的轉變？中國是否可能會再以類似模式進行單點突破，甚至影響整個區域？"],["林部長佳龍：其實中國的模式就是透過所謂的菁英服務，針對少數領導人進行控制，給他利益或者是造成國家債務去控制這些島國。過去相對來講我們是孤軍奮戰，最近國際的我們都看到了，中國這些擴張行為不是只有針對臺灣，比如說他們的潛射導彈打到西太平洋和南太平洋，他們的航母軍艦其實都在附近海域出入，另外就是透過投資，事實上在控制他們的關鍵基礎設施，包括港口和關鍵的礦物，所以這已經威脅到以規則為基礎的國際秩序，特別太平洋是強調一個包容性。而且中共不斷製造分裂，比如說去年的太平洋島國論壇（PIF），中國就自己先邀請了一些國家的外交部長，企圖先去主導它的召開，甚至把包括臺灣、美國、日本都排除在太平洋島國的夥伴會議之外。所以當中共侵入的時候就控制了那個國家，包括像我剛才講的安全協定，它在索羅門群島的作為就引起了包括美、澳等國家的注意和行動，對巴紐，當時中國也要跟它簽訂類似的安全協定，所以這些國家就積極跟他們往來，包括最近QUAD四國要在斐濟建造港口，以及在帛琉，它的國家醫院要遷建，也都尋求跨國的支持，臺灣也有參與其間。所以我們用這種「小多邊」的方式共同來維護和平的太平洋，也就是所謂藍色的太平洋這樣一個包容性的區域秩序。"],["陳委員俊宇：好。剛剛部長也有提到8月底我們的友邦帛琉將舉辦今年PIF的論壇峰會，這個部分我們想進一步瞭解的是，這是一個很好的機會，也是我們臺灣跟其他友盟國家可以在國際場合參與合作的一個很好的機會。針對這個部分，我想請教部長，對於參與今年的PIF，目前規劃的情況為何？未來有沒有可能有更大的參與太平洋地區活動的機會？"],["林部長佳龍：我們對今年PIF在帛琉召開，因為那是我們的邦交國，所以我們以發展夥伴的身分參與，也在辦一個展，就是榮邦特展，不只臺灣，包括美國、日本、澳洲，他們在太平洋所做的對於太平洋發展有利的援助、投資或是各項合作，我們用這種正向的方式來呈現Taiwan 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