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，建議免除法官職務，並且不得再任用為公務員。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:44:47.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:44:55.777778+08:00","text":"在移赴個案評鑑之前，新北地方法院也有給他一個警告處分，臺中地方法院職務評定也是未達良好。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:44:56+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:45:05.750000+08:00","text":"可是我們看到彰化地方法院這位法官在短時間之內，三度縱放毒駕案件，引起很大的社會爭議。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:45:06.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:45:18.833333+08:00","text":"我們知道法官的職務評定不是只看案件的結案數，也包括品德操守、專業能力、辦案品質還有人民信賴等等這些面向。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:45:19+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:45:28.769231+08:00","text":"在法官倫理規範裡面也有提到，法官執行職務要公正、客觀、中立，不得有損及人民對司法的信賴。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:45:29+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:45:44.812500+08:00","text":"可是如果今天有一名法官反覆出現重大爭議的裁定，這會影響到社會大眾對於司法的信賴，類似這樣的案子，我不知道司法院是不是應該要啟動相關調查？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:45:45+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:46:00.833333+08:00","text":"更何況司法院本來對法官就有所謂的職務監督，類似這樣的案子，不知道司法院、彰化地方法院有沒有啟動所謂的職務監督？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"許廳長辰舟","start":"2026-07-22T09:46:01+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:46:20.750000+08:00","text":"報告委員，有關彰化地院在酒駕、毒駕的羈押審查方面，確實有幾件案件的結果受到社會關注，事後經過審級救濟，也遭到撤銷。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"許廳長辰舟","start":"2026-07-22T09:46:21+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:46:38.809524+08:00","text":"但是我必須報告，個案部分假設涉及到法官認事用法的核心，屬於審判獨立保障範圍或是法律見解主張的時候，這個可能就不能用職務監督的角度進行處置。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:46:39+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:46:56.666667+08:00","text":"我就知道廳長會這麼回答，可是我要講的就是，你們自己的法官倫理規範及法官法裡面都講的很清楚，法官應該要接受職務監督，而且法官的作為不能夠有損人民對於司法的信賴，對不對？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:46:57+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:47:26.818182+08:00","text":"如果今天所有事情都可以推到屬於法官的個案裁量，我們要尊重法官的個案判斷，這樣就會產生剛剛所講像彰化地方法院的法官，他一再的作成違反社會大眾期待的裁定，連高院自己都撤回，所以變成法院的職務監督形同具文，你們根本沒有對個案法官進行職務監督啊！","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"許廳長辰舟","start":"2026-07-22T09:47:27.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:47:44.333333+08:00","text":"報告委員，審判獨立保障的其實不是個別法官，保障的是整個制度跟我們的司法，它能夠在必要的範圍內透過審級救濟自我監督，這個在個案的時候或許會得到一個不讓人滿意的結果，但我們也可以發現審級救濟有適當的……","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:47:45+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:47:48.833333+08:00","text":"因為已經不只是一個個案，而是他反覆做出這樣的行為！","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:47:49.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:48:14.666667+08:00","text":"我是提醒許廳長，這是大家眾所矚目的案子，而且我剛剛也講了，不是我要針對某個法官，而是整個制度性的問題，因為過去也曾經出現過很多次法官所做的判決或裁定是人民無法信服的案例，而且這個法官可能長期都有類似這樣的行為，不是佛心法官就是惡魔法官，對不對？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:48:15.695652+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:48:18.826087+08:00","text":"但是看起來司法院沒有給予任何的監督啊！","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:48:19+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:48:25.777778+08:00","text":"要不然的話，你們現在訂定的法官倫理規範不就形同具文，根本沒有適用的餘地？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:48:26+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:48:48.714286+08:00","text":"所以我希望司法院回去可以檢討，今天因為質詢時間有縮短，所以針對毒駕修法的問題，等到待會討論的時候我再提，可是很重要的原因，待會可能要請次長先準備，也就是如果一個毒駕同時也有酒駕的時候，以我們現在的條文來說，要怎樣去論處？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:48:49+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:49:06.666667+08:00","text":"這是我想講的，因為我們這次的修法是把毒駕跟酒駕區分開來，可是當我們發現一個實際個案是先喝了酒又吸毒，同時被抓到，我們到底是要適用哪一條、哪一項論處？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:49:07+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:49:12.625000+08:00","text":"這是我的問題，等到之後進入逐條的時候再來做細緻的討論。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-07-22T09:49:13.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T09:49:14.600000+08:00","text":"以上，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T09:49:15.100000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T09:49:17.100000+08:00","text":"謝謝翁曉玲委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（翁委員曉玲）","start":"2026-07-22T09:49:17.400000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T09:49:20.828571+08:00","text":"接下來有請林沛祥委員詢答。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":799,"blocks":[["翁委員曉玲：（9時36分）謝謝主席，請黃次長還有許廳長。"],["黃次長謀信：委員好。"],["翁委員曉玲：次長好。待會我還會針對毒駕的問題就教。我不知道次長知不知道，行政院即將在今年8月實施城鎮韌性演習，並且首次在北部、中部等縣市進行為期30分鐘的行動網路降速測試？當然這項政策的目的是要測試政府在通訊受阻時的應變韌性，立意是很良善，但是本席很關心的不只是城鎮韌性的演習，還有我們現在司法偵查、科技監控的能力是不是也具備了韌性？我們知道現在所有的科技設備監控載具，包含手機、電子手環、腳環、居家讀取器等等，都會採用定位技術，然後再搭配地理圖資，輔以電子圍籬的設置，可以讓監控人員透過監控系統的平臺以及行動app，24小時掌控被告的行蹤。可是這次網路速度降速，而且趨近於零的時候，就等於是斷網，在網路速度受限的情況之下，對於性侵害的假釋犯或者是刑事被告等等，這些科技監控的設備是否會出現防護漏洞？還有像是針對外役監以及監外作業受刑人的防逃監控系統，有沒有因應可能會有斷電、斷網的情況，而有相關的緊急應變機制？本席擔心的其實就是我們的科技監控會不會因為斷網演習而窒息，導致司法監控癱瘓？針對這個問題，我不知道是不是可以請次長回復？因為我們現在所有的監控設備都是靠數據回傳，如果因為頻寬受限，導致有一些異常的訊息無法即時回傳，或是監控中心收到這個訊息時可能已經接收延遲，在演習期間你們有沒有做好相關的準備？假設真的有假釋犯在這個期間再犯，或者是有被告可能利用這個時間出境、出海逃亡了，你們有沒有相關的因應措施？已經有做好準備了嗎？"],["黃次長謀信：跟委員報告，畢竟它是一個演習，也不是只有法務部，我相信在演習之前，有關運用電子設備的部分，相關的部會一定有事先做配套處理，這應該是絕對沒有問題的。"],["翁委員曉玲：主要是我現在想要了解，你們法務部有沒有配套處理？"],["黃次長謀信：跟委員報告，我們現在電子監控已經做起來非常多年了，其實它已經非常成熟了，我相信在遇到相關科技上的阻礙時，它一定有相關的備援系統與處理機制，這部分應該是沒有問題。"],["翁委員曉玲：次長，我聽起來你們法務部好像是沒有提任何計畫或準備。在這件事情上面，法務部知道嗎？知道國防部說要演習嗎？"],["黃次長謀信：跟委員報告，演習的事情我們當然知道，但是委員的假設前提是，這個演習會癱瘓我們國家相關的科技監控。"],["翁委員曉玲：因為有30分鐘，這不是只有1分鐘或2分鐘，而是30分鐘的時間，30分鐘可以做很多事！"],["黃次長謀信：我相信國內所有的行政部門都會遇到同樣的問題，它一定會做好事先的防備或預防。"],["翁委員曉玲：所以我現在就問法務部，有沒有做事先的防備嘛！譬如之前有要求這些被告或假釋犯要定期，可能是拿手機自拍回傳，可是在這30分鐘裡面他沒有辦法回傳啊。在這樣的情況之下，你們會認為這是發生了訊息異常嗎？要怎麼樣去處理？追蹤也追蹤不到，尤其是像性侵的假釋犯，他如果出去30分鐘就可以犯罪了耶！我認為這其實會造成相當程度的社會恐慌，不知道在30分鐘的時間內會發生什麼事情，而且我們現在有滿多被告是戴著電子手環、電子腳鐐，這30分鐘如果科技監控中心沒有辦法去監控到的話，他們可以早早算好時間，看什麼時候買張機票，或是搭個船就出去了。從我剛剛跟次長的對談看起來，我意識到法務部好像是沒有做任何相關的應變計畫。"],["黃次長謀信：委員，您提的前提是這個演習會影響目前我們科技設備監控的機制。但是我跟委員報告，它畢竟是演習，演習有長期的準備，所以所有的狀況，它一定會預先排除跟預先因應。"],["翁委員曉玲：可是它沒有問過你們法務部啊！現在只是國防部跟NCC這兩個部會自己的想像啊，NCC是說斷網沒有關係，因為大家還可以打電話、用簡訊，可是我們講的這些所有的科技設備，它不只是靠打電話跟傳簡訊，它會運用到整個行動網路，像頻寬，透過這些行動寬頻去傳輸很多的數據、data。"],["黃次長謀信：對，了解。"],["翁委員曉玲：這部分我要求法務部要把這個事情做好。我認為國防部可能也沒有真的好好跟所有的部會討論好，就是萬一真的行動斷網，可能會帶來什麼樣的影響。我剛剛講的其實都有可能會發生啊！因為在演習降速的30分鐘之內，刑事被告就有可能會趁機拆除設備，離開住居所，甚至發生出境、出海的逃亡事件；性侵害的假釋犯趁這30分鐘的時間再犯也不無可能。之後如果真的發生這樣的問題，相關的責任歸屬如何釐清？這些都必須要有一套妥善的計畫。","因為今天時間的關係，本席希望法務部能夠在短期間內趕快提出一份報告，就是你們要針對行動斷網降速的測試提一個司法韌性的檢核報告，好不好？就是針對這些問題你要怎麼樣處理？這樣才能讓國人安心，可以嗎？"],["黃次長謀信：好，了解。"],["翁委員曉玲：麻煩次長兩個禮拜之內要提出這個報告。"],["黃次長謀信：因為它是跨部會、全國性的，也不是只有法務部遇到，我相信各部會都已經有一個因應的措施。"],["翁委員曉玲：對，其他部會有其他部會的問題。"],["黃次長謀信：了解。"],["翁委員曉玲：但是司法的問題我覺得這個是必須要去解決的。接下來可能跟許廳長比較有關，次長可以先回座。","我們知道其實最近彰化地方法院的陳德池法官，連續裁定3件以上的毒駕案件不予羈押，引發了社會高度的爭議，因為這些案件有些是高等法院都已經撤銷原裁定發回更審，所以更讓社會質疑司法對於毒駕犯罪的風險判斷是不是有很大的落差？有法官認為根本就不需要羈押，有些法官認為其實是要羈押的。當然，我今天不是要求司法院去評論相關個案的判決，主要是要討論兩個制度性的問題，一個就是法官是不是應該也要接受專業的評價？第二個是有關於職務監督以及個案評鑑的制度，在這個案子上面是不是已經啟動了？像最近臺中地方法院有位法官因為長期違反書類送閱制度，迴避庭長、院長審閱及考核，嚴重損害到人民訴訟權，所以遭到法官評議委員會決議報由司法院移送職務法庭審理，建議免除法官職務，並且不得再任用為公務員。在移赴個案評鑑之前，新北地方法院也有給他一個警告處分，臺中地方法院職務評定也是未達良好。可是我們看到彰化地方法院這位法官在短時間之內，三度縱放毒駕案件，引起很大的社會爭議。","我們知道法官的職務評定不是只看案件的結案數，也包括品德操守、專業能力、辦案品質還有人民信賴等等這些面向。在法官倫理規範裡面也有提到，法官執行職務要公正、客觀、中立，不得有損及人民對司法的信賴。可是如果今天有一名法官反覆出現重大爭議的裁定，這會影響到社會大眾對於司法的信賴，類似這樣的案子，我不知道司法院是不是應該要啟動相關調查？更何況司法院本來對法官就有所謂的職務監督，類似這樣的案子，不知道司法院、彰化地方法院有沒有啟動所謂的職務監督？"],["許廳長辰舟：報告委員，有關彰化地院在酒駕、毒駕的羈押審查方面，確實有幾件案件的結果受到社會關注，事後經過審級救濟，也遭到撤銷。但是我必須報告，個案部分假設涉及到法官認事用法的核心，屬於審判獨立保障範圍或是法律見解主張的時候，這個可能就不能用職務監督的角度進行處置。"],["翁委員曉玲：我就知道廳長會這麼回答，可是我要講的就是，你們自己的法官倫理規範及法官法裡面都講的很清楚，法官應該要接受職務監督，而且法官的作為不能夠有損人民對於司法的信賴，對不對？如果今天所有事情都可以推到屬於法官的個案裁量，我們要尊重法官的個案判斷，這樣就會產生剛剛所講像彰化地方法院的法官，他一再的作成違反社會大眾期待的裁定，連高院自己都撤回，所以變成法院的職務監督形同具文，你們根本沒有對個案法官進行職務監督啊！"],["許廳長辰舟：報告委員，審判獨立保障的其實不是個別法官，保障的是整個制度跟我們的司法，它能夠在必要的範圍內透過審級救濟自我監督，這個在個案的時候或許會得到一個不讓人滿意的結果，但我們也可以發現審級救濟有適當的……"],["翁委員曉玲：因為已經不只是一個個案，而是他反覆做出這樣的行為！我是提醒許廳長，這是大家眾所矚目的案子，而且我剛剛也講了，不是我要針對某個法官，而是整個制度性的問題，因為過去也曾經出現過很多次法官所做的判決或裁定是人民無法信服的案例，而且這個法官可能長期都有類似這樣的行為，不是佛心法官就是惡魔法官，對不對？但是看起來司法院沒有給予任何的監督啊！要不然的話，你們現在訂定的法官倫理規範不就形同具文，根本沒有適用的餘地？","所以我希望司法院回去可以檢討，今天因為質詢時間有縮短，所以針對毒駕修法的問題，等到待會討論的時候我再提，可是很重要的原因，待會可能要請次長先準備，也就是如果一個毒駕同時也有酒駕的時候，以我們現在的條文來說，要怎樣去論處？這是我想講的，因為我們這次的修法是把毒駕跟酒駕區分開來，可是當我們發現一個實際個案是先喝了酒又吸毒，同時被抓到，我們到底是要適用哪一條、哪一項論處？這是我的問題，等到之後進入逐條的時候再來做細緻的討論。以上，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝翁曉玲委員。"],["主席（翁委員曉玲）：接下來有請林沛祥委員詢答。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":262,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-36-26","speakers":["翁曉玲","洪孟楷","陳昭姿","張智倫","林倩綺","林沛祥","張雅琳","沈發惠","范雲","莊瑞雄","許宇甄","李坤城","楊瓊瓔","蔡其昌","吳宗憲","傅崐萁","柯志恩"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2026-07-22"],"gazette_id":"1156502","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1156502_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第26次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"併案審查(一)行政院、司法院函請審議「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、\n(二)委員翁曉玲等17人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(三)委員廖\n先翔等17人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三及第一百八十五條之四條文修正草案」案、\n(四)委員洪孟楷等18人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(五)委員徐\n欣瑩等18人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三及第一百八十五條之四條文修正草案」案、\n(六)委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三及第一百八十五條之四條文修正\n草案」案、(七)委員柯志恩等16人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、\n(八)委員林倩綺等21人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(九)委員邱\n若華等19人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(十)委員萬美玲等19人\n擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三及第一百八十五條之四條文修正草案」案、(十一)委員\n陳亭妃等16人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(十二)委員黃秀芳等\n20人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(十三)委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具\n「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(十四)委員林思銘等21人擬具「中華民\n國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(十五)委員傅崐萁等17人擬具「中華民國刑法第\n一百八十五條之三及第一百八十五條之五條文修正草案」案、(十六)委員陳菁徽等22人擬具「中\n華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(十七)委員張智倫等16人擬具「中華民國刑\n法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(十八)委員徐巧芯等17人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百\n八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(十九)委員邱鎮軍等20人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條\n之三、第一百八十五條之四及第一百八十五條之五條文修正草案」案、(二十)台灣民眾黨黨團擬\n具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(二十一)委員洪孟楷等21人擬具「中\n華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(二十二)委員葉元之等18人擬具「中華民國\n刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(二十三)委員王義川等17人擬具「中華民國刑法第\n一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(二十四)委員賴士葆等25人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八\n十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(二十五)委員涂權吉等19人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條\n之三及第一百八十五條之五條文修正草案」案、(二十六)委員楊瓊瓔等31人擬具「中華民國刑法\n第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(二十七)委員魯明哲等16人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百\n八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(二十八)委員張嘉郡等21人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五\n條之三條文修正草案」案、(二十九)委員王育敏等19人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三\n條文修正草案」案、(三十)委員黃健豪等17人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正\n草案」案、(三十一)委員王美惠等17人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」\n案、( 三十二) 委員陳素月等17 人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、\n(三十三)委員林淑芬等26人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(三十\n四)委員李坤城等19人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(三十五)委\n員盧縣一等16人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三及第一百八十五條之五條文修正草案」\n案、( 三十六) 委員謝龍介等16 人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、\n(三十七)委員羅智強等18人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(三十\n八)委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(三十九)委\n員李彥秀等18人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(四十)委員許宇甄\n等23人擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(四十一)委員萬美玲等17人\n擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、( 四十二) 委員林楚茵等17 人擬具\n「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(四十三)委員羅美玲等16人擬具「中華\n民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(四十四)委員陳培瑜等18人擬具「中華民國刑\n法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(四十五)委員張宏陸等21人擬具「中華民國刑法第一\n百八十五條之三及第一百八十五條之五條文修正草案」案、(四十六)委員李柏毅等16人擬具「中\n華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(四十七)委員廖偉翔等16人擬具「中華民國\n刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、(四十八)委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等18人\n擬具「中華民國刑法第一百八十五條之三條文修正草案」案、 ( 四十九) 委員蔡易餘等16 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