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已啦。"],["賴委員士葆：太平島明明是島，為什麼不敢捍衛主權？日本的沖之鳥礁，小小的像榻榻米一樣，結果日本就說是島，這個叫道地的雙標，結果我們就龜縮。你剛才一直說海巡署有去，層級太低啦！不要忘了，第一個登上太平島的是民進黨執政的陳水扁總統，他是第一位，馬英九是第二位，蔡英文都不敢去，我也想不透為什麼蔡英文膽子這麼小？有外面說法是因為美國反對我們的國家元首登島，有沒有這回事？"],["林部長佳龍：沒有，有去過啊。"],["賴委員士葆：什麼有去過？沒有啊！賴清德到現在為止，沒有去過啊！怎麼會有去過呢？哪裡有去過？沒有啊，怎麼有！"],["林部長佳龍：我們的國家元首有去過啊。"],["賴委員士葆：誰去過？"],["林部長佳龍：你剛剛講過是陳水扁總統，我那時候是總統府副秘書長。"],["賴委員士葆：我就跟你講，那是很久以前……"],["林部長佳龍：我就跟他一起去，包括東沙島。"],["賴委員士葆：那是2008年，後來為什麼你們執政了十年都不敢去？馬英九去囉！馬英九講什麼？他召開國安會議強調是礁，不是島！他講的是沖之鳥，因為日本硬要說沖之鳥就是島，所以它就有經濟海域200浬，然後召見日本駐臺大使表達抗議，在華爾街日報投書強調，依據聯合國海洋法公約第一百二十一條，講得這麼清楚，馬英九那時候是多強硬啊！相比現在賴清德是多麼的軟弱，因為碰到日本，他又一向崇拜日本，賴清德總統就龜縮了，都不說話！到現在為止，你也不敢講話，對不對？你敢說……"],["林部長佳龍：有啊！太平島是島啊！不然怎麼叫太平島？"],["賴委員士葆：什麼東西？"],["林部長佳龍：太平島當然是島啊，不然怎麼叫太平島？"],["賴委員士葆：南海仲裁你也不抗議一下？"],["林部長佳龍：有啊！我有表示我們的立場啊！"],["賴委員士葆：我跟你講一個很重要的……"],["林部長佳龍：我們不接受把我們的太平島變成其他什麼鳥或礁、或什麼之類的。"],["賴委員士葆：我要跟你講，什麼鳥、什麼礁……部長，有一個現象你要記住，當菲律賓跟日本劃經濟海域的時候把臺灣劃進去，我們都不說話，這種時候……"],["林部長佳龍：沒有喔，我有發聲、講話，而且還發新聞稿。"],["賴委員士葆：你有發聲，不夠啦！要有動作（action）出來。"],["林部長佳龍：好。"],["賴委員士葆：結果老共就來了！"],["林部長佳龍：他本來就在那邊，他找藉口的啦！他本來就在那邊好久了。"],["賴委員士葆：你不必那麼興奮，提到老共你就那麼興奮，你就只敢大聲而已！對日本不敢大聲、對美國不敢大聲、對老共就很大聲，因為你知道有票！這個我們都理解，沒關係。"],["林部長佳龍：不是啦！和那個票沒有關係。"],["賴委員士葆：我們都理解，有選票啦！你罵老共就有選票了，大家都知道！但是我們要就事論事，當我們的東海、南海這些東西，臺灣不站出來，老共就出來了！所以你等於自我限縮，讓我們臺灣的幅員就越來越小，變這個樣子啊！南海也是一樣，太平島也是一樣，你不來，老共就來了，經濟海域到東岸，老共就來了，這種事情這麼清楚的現象，所以當賴清德總統不敢去登太平島的時候，老共就來了！為什麼老共現在跟菲律賓……你剛剛講了一句話，你要不要講具體一點？會擦槍走火嗎？老共和菲律賓！"],["林部長佳龍：我跟委員報告，經濟學人是不是在五年多前就講臺灣是地表最危險的地方？"],["賴委員士葆：是。"],["林部長佳龍：結果後來發生了俄烏戰爭、發生了以阿戰爭、發生了中東的戰爭，我是說確實在國際上臺海雖然緊張，其實臺灣的應處，對於中共破壞現狀，我們是在捍衛。但是你看現在在南海，稍微一不小心……因為利害關係人太多了，有可能會「凸槌」、有可能擦槍走火，你看有時候水柱、現在又棒子，然後有時候又是武器還有其他這些，都有可能！所以我們也密切關注，因為這個也會影響到我們，臺海、東海其實是連在一起的。"],["賴委員士葆：我不要占用太多時間，當你在這裡回答我的時候有講了一句話，是高市早苗講的話，就是臺灣有事、日本有事類似的話，中日關係會不好一整年，我看起來你講對，一年對不對？一年以上！到目前為止沒有好轉，所以這個你是講對的。現在我也很擔心你講對，你說中國大陸跟菲律賓會打起來，會不會打起來？"],["林部長佳龍：這不是我的看法，這是國際觀察家，還有一些政府，大家都密切注意……"],["賴委員士葆：所以經濟學人雜誌說臺海很危險，你看了很高興？"],["林部長佳龍：那個是錯的嘛！因為它講了老半天，一直講，但是事實上都不是啊！我們對維持臺海和平穩定很努力，也有一些……"],["賴委員士葆：所以我剛才聽你講的感覺，經濟學人雜誌說臺灣很危險，你好像很高興的樣子。"],["林部長佳龍：我們臺灣……"],["賴委員士葆：沒有很高興喔？"],["林部長佳龍：我們自己是……"],["賴委員士葆：沒有很高興？"],["林部長佳龍：沒有、沒有，我是說其實地表上危險的地方很多，但是危不危險，關鍵在我們自己，我們自己當然要捍衛自己的……"],["賴委員士葆：好，謝謝。"],["林部長佳龍：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝賴委員。","接下來請鍾佳濱委員上臺質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":202,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-35-28","speakers":["馬文君","陳俊宇","羅美玲","陳永康","王義川","林楚茵","黃建賓","王安祥","徐巧芯","牛煦庭","賴士葆","鍾佳濱","許忠信","鄭正鈐","林倩綺","楊瓊瓔","陳冠廷","黃仁","沈伯洋"],"page_start":151,"meetingDate":["2026-07-22"],"gazette_id":"1156601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1156601_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第28次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告「我國近年針對南海主權與法律地位之國際宣傳實績成效暨如何應對\n周邊國家擴大主權國際宣傳之具體反制策略」，併請海洋委員會、大陸委員會列席，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1156601_00015"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}